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Even if some people don't like the new MKIII at least it means we are getting non-MKVI characters again.
And it was worth waiting for this beauty.

That is one chunky boy. I must have him.

 Matrindur wrote:
Even if some people don't like the new MKIII at least it means we are getting non-MKVI characters again.
And it was worth waiting for this beauty.

Agreed! The MkVI was getting a touch stale.


I'd actually really like to see this model painted up as an Iron Warrior. I think it'd look really good in silver and hazard stripes.

So what makes this one a 'traitor legion' champion? Is it just the circles with three prongs and the belt buckle?

Pretty much just the Eye of Horus.

Depending on how the model is assembled, should be easy enough to scrape off. Or just paint it as an entirely metallic detail.

Either way, I want one!

I get that the eye of Horus may have been used to show loyalty to Horus, but I still feel like it’s pretty clearly meant to be from that legion. Just like the generic champion has strong IF vibes

Ultimately I'd argue this works well as a generic Champion. I could easily see this model as an Iron Hand or Imperial Fist for Loyalists and it would look superb for Death Guard and Iron Warriors.

I think I found my next Dreadwing consul. Just needs a headswap to one of the old upgrade heads.

It's not even the Eye of Horus, it's just a red eye, which mostly shows on Sons of Horus specific models but also, strangely, shows on Sanguinius.

Is Sanguinius also a traitor?

 Snrub wrote:
Traitor Legion Champion.



Holy gak do I need this guy! He's awesome.

Indeed he is. Artificer Mk.III the Brutalist way. Will look amazing in Death Guard colours.

Very nice!

Badass guy indeed.

Shame it's not in plastic :(

Was also really hoping for a release date for the box set shown at NOVA, guess it's more of a sunday announcement.

Not a fan, looks like a fairly basic 3rd party sculpt.

Could be worse. At least it's not Mk.VI.

Tittliewinks22 wrote:
Shame it's not in plastic :(

Was also really hoping for a release date for the box set shown at NOVA, guess it's more of a sunday announcement.

I think we're past the point of extra mentions. In the Nova article they said it'll go on pre-order sooner than you think. Which is a lie. Sooner than I think would have seen the pre-order announced on the following Sunday. Clearly GW doesn't know my thoughts, so they shouldn't say dumb stuff like that. Anyway, to me that suggests that GW is done talking about the box until it pops up during the pre-order announcement.

Which will hopefully happen soon. Preferably this weekend.

That's a damn good looking model.

It's also fairly standard for good quality 3rd party, which says a lot about the snail's pace at which GW releases even basic stuff.

The MkVI line isn't finished. I want MkVI assault marines. Kinda baffled as to why people are already tired of the original space marine armour. I've been waiting for a MkVI space marine set since... well, probably since the original plastic Imperial Space Marine kit was discontinued! So yeah, give me all the options before moving on to other armour mark kits (I mean, ideally, the assault variants would just be another weapons upgrade kit like the special and heavy weapons boxes so they can be used by the other Mark plastic kits as they come out).

Aren’t they releasing mk vi assault marines and weapon upgrades next year? That’s confirmed from months back

 ekwatts wrote:
The MkVI line isn't finished. I want MkVI assault marines. Kinda baffled as to why people are already tired of the original space marine armour. I've been waiting for a MkVI space marine set since... well, probably since the original plastic Imperial Space Marine kit was discontinued! So yeah, give me all the options before moving on to other armour mark kits (I mean, ideally, the assault variants would just be another weapons upgrade kit like the special and heavy weapons boxes so they can be used by the other Mark plastic kits as they come out).

Because it really doesn't fit the Heresy despite GW's retconning/shilling.

 Rihgu wrote:
It's not even the Eye of Horus, it's just a red eye, which mostly shows on Sons of Horus specific models but also, strangely, shows on Sanguinius.

Is Sanguinius also a traitor?

Those aren't eyes on Sanguinius

FlubDugger wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
It's not even the Eye of Horus, it's just a red eye, which mostly shows on Sons of Horus specific models but also, strangely, shows on Sanguinius.

Is Sanguinius also a traitor?

Those aren't eyes on Sanguinius

Depends on what we're talking about. Some art? Blood drops. The painted model on FW? Eyes. They are thin slits, they don't widen at the bottom (not even slightly, as most artistic depictions it's such a narrow widening that you have to zoom in at high res to even notice they widen).

But, the official FW model, one of the most recent depictions, is 4 round eyes and a heart with a slit. Not tear/blood drops. They even taper on the bottom.

The most famous bit of artwork of Sanguinius has them depicted as drops.

The cover of Lost and the Damned has them as drops. "It's an eye" is a common misconception that gets translated to the minis

 Rihgu wrote:
It's not even the Eye of Horus, it's just a red eye, which mostly shows on Sons of Horus specific models but also, strangely, shows on Sanguinius.

Well, the article says

And although he has been painted in the colours of the Sons of Horus, the Traitor Champion Consul is Legion-agnostic and may be used by any of the nine Traitor Legions.

Being as it's a resin model, maybe there are alternate belt buckles? Does look nice though

 ekwatts wrote:
The MkVI line isn't finished. I want MkVI assault marines. Kinda baffled as to why people are already tired of the original space marine armour.

Because VI isn't iconic to some legions. Those wanting to assemble classic IW, DG, IF, and (imo) WE armies are left out in the metaphoric cold by a pure MKVI experience.

With that said.

The fact that it's taking almost two fething years to get something as basic as an assault squad out the door in MKVI is bat-gak insane. A competent company would've had it come out in the initial release wave or within three (MAYBE six) months of the AoD box drop, then pivoted into the other armor marks to continue driving the hype train and developing an eager customer base.

The traitor champion consul is so much better than the loyalist one. They aren't even in the same league, kind of blown away.

JSG wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:
The MkVI line isn't finished. I want MkVI assault marines. Kinda baffled as to why people are already tired of the original space marine armour. I've been waiting for a MkVI space marine set since... well, probably since the original plastic Imperial Space Marine kit was discontinued! So yeah, give me all the options before moving on to other armour mark kits (I mean, ideally, the assault variants would just be another weapons upgrade kit like the special and heavy weapons boxes so they can be used by the other Mark plastic kits as they come out).

Because it really doesn't fit the Heresy despite GW's retconning/shilling.

Its weird, here we have people bitching about MK6 being included in HH, but then in another thread we have people arguing that Mk7 should be included.

 Rihgu wrote:

But, the official FW model, one of the most recent depictions, is 4 round eyes and a heart with a slit. Not tear/blood drops. They even taper on the bottom.

None of those eyes is part of an eight-pointed star like the one on the new model, though. That's what pins it as a traitor.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

But, the official FW model, one of the most recent depictions, is 4 round eyes and a heart with a slit. Not tear/blood drops. They even taper on the bottom.

None of those eyes is part of an eight-pointed star like the one on the new model, though. That's what pins it as a traitor.

So the sword wielding praetor from the Age of Darkness box (painted as an Imperial Fist) is a Traitor, because his iron halo has 8 points? Or is it specifically the combo of 8 points around a circle + a red eye that constitutes Traitor allegiance?

 ekwatts wrote:
The MkVI line isn't finished. I want MkVI assault marines. Kinda baffled as to why people are already tired of the original space marine armour. I've been waiting for a MkVI space marine set since... well, probably since the original plastic Imperial Space Marine kit was discontinued! So yeah, give me all the options before moving on to other armour mark kits (I mean, ideally, the assault variants would just be another weapons upgrade kit like the special and heavy weapons boxes so they can be used by the other Mark plastic kits as they come out).

I'd look at it with a little more positivity. Realistically one armor mark had to be first and Mk.VI ended up being it. That's genuinely great for all you guys who like Mk.VI armor. But people like what they like. There are plenty who want the other marks and have to wait their turn. I and like-minded people get to count ourselves lucky, getting the unquestionably, objectively and scientifically proven best armor mark just over a year after Mk.VI was released. Yay, go us! But that still leaves fans of Mk.II, IV and V out in the cold. I like to think of seeing the Mk.III kit so soon as a good sign, that GW wants to get out different armor marks sooner rather than later. Even if that has to be taken in relative terms, considering it might mean that one or two marks take longer to release than a typical GW game edition lasts. But at least it looks like there is commitment there on GW's part. I'm not sure how I'd feel if GW's stance was to do everything in Mk.VI, let it settle for a while and then after who knows how many years release the next armor mark. Not very happy, I'd guess.

The Assault Marine issue is no doubt a mind-boggling error in judgment, but it doesn't look like it has anything do with the particular mark of armor. Close combat Marines should have been available a year ago, but while fixing that lamentable state should be a priority, GW is big enough that it doesn't have to get in the way of releasing a kit for another armor mark as well.

I really like this model, but prefer the 'loyalist' champion for my traitor EC. Not sure if I'll pick this one up.

For the awareness of some, the eyes on the model are not Eyes of Horus, they're 'Eyes of the Serpent', whether mounted in a star or not:

Note the 'Eye of the Serpent' icon mounted on the Legionary's chest armour, which was used as a signifier of the bearer's allegiance to the Warmaster, a dark mirror of the Loyalists' increased use of the 'Imperialis' as their own totem.

From Book 4: Conquest. There's examples through the FW books of SOH, DG, EC etc all using it in various forms. Suits SOH more than the others of course but I like it as an explanation for why traitors become so eye-heavy even when not BL down the road.

Re: continuing Mark VI, I still expect it to be the main mark for 2.0 going forward - assuming that the Command Squad slated for next year will be in Mark VI on top of the already announced assault marines.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
I really like this model, but prefer the 'loyalist' champion for my traitor EC. Not sure if I'll pick this one up.

For the awareness of some, the eyes on the model are not Eyes of Horus, they're 'Eyes of the Serpent', whether mounted in a star or not:

Note the 'Eye of the Serpent' icon mounted on the Legionary's chest armour, which was used as a signifier of the bearer's allegiance to the Warmaster, a dark mirror of the Loyalists' increased use of the 'Imperialis' as their own totem.

From Book 4: Conquest. There's examples through the FW books of SOH, DG, EC etc all using it in various forms. Suits SOH more than the others of course but I like it as an explanation for why traitors become so eye-heavy even when not BL down the road.

Re: continuing Mark VI, I still expect it to be the main mark for 2.0 going forward - assuming that the Command Squad slated for next year will be in Mark VI on top of the already announced assault marines.

Thank you, I had spent much of this morning trying to figure out what that symbol was if not the Eye of Horus/Terra (which it clearly isn't, but I wasn't finding any other reference).