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The pdf mentions using 40k daemons on the first page tho

chaos0xomega wrote:
The absence of proscribed base sizing for units which overwhelmingly have no official models is infuriating.

Agreed with the person who said that this is an army for 3d printer go brrr though. With only a literal handful of these units represented by official minis (which I think are mostly OOP?), and the general fluff that seems purpose written to dissuade you from running your 40k god-marked daemon minis, going crazy with 3rd party minis seems the only way to go.

I think I’d prefer 3rd Party gribblies over 3d printed gribblies. Give another manufacturer a slice of the Heresy Cake. Support your local FLGS etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think I’d prefer 3rd Party gribblies over 3d printed gribblies.

Yep - I'm considering Wargames Atlantic Harvesters (but they do look more like bugs than deamons).

The beauty of the Ruinstorm is that it was truly the face of Chaos.
They are manifestations of the terrors of Mankind. If you want to use giant bugs for everything then use giant bugs.
The lack of "official" models is the best part of the Militia and Daemon lists.

Yup, I agree. It’s the Rogue Trader element of Heresy.

We can go really wild, limited only by our imaginations, scratch build skills and exposure to other ranges.

So they were indeed referencing southern hemisphere summer when they talked about the Ruinstorm PDF release. Great to see it out at last!

Leaving out the base sizes is just odd though. Would it have killed them to copy/paste the old chart? I understand the whole "this is for narrative play, do as you like" approach, but it still feels lazy to me.

Mantic makes two demon factions.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mantic makes two demon factions.

Thank you for that, those nightstalkers are amazing!

https://www.manticgames.com/kings-of-war/nightstalkers/

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think I’d prefer 3rd Party gribblies over 3d printed gribblies. Give another manufacturer a slice of the Heresy Cake. Support your local FLGS etc.

Is that different to supporting a designer who sells STLs, or prints of their STLs?

Depends on the scale.

FLGS supports communities and provides jobs.

STL does and should benefit the creator, but it’s just the creator.

Pick your preferred beneficiary

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mantic makes two demon factions.

Yeah I usually am not a fan of many things Mantic, but for "generic demon models in hard plastic" they have a surprisingly amazing range on offer.

I think those nightstalker sculpts are kinda silly - but with the right paint job they may do the trick

Maybe 1/4 of the line is usably OK.

Ruinstorm Daemons seems to be the perfect opportunity for Cubes of Tzeentch.

Or the Blood Letters.

God I love the Blood Letters. They always give me a chuckle.

I just went through it all actually, you can make an army work which I wouldn't be disappointed to field. I would probably do it this way:

Daemon Sovereign = Nightstalker Void Lurker
Daemon Hierarch = Nightstalker Mind Screech/Portal of Despair (different wargear options)
Daemon Harbinger = Nightstalker Banshee/Shade/Dream Hunter (different wargear options)
Daemon Attendant = Nightstalker Butcher Fleshripper
Daemon Brutes = Nightstalker Butchers/Ravagers
Daemon Beasts = Nightstalker Fiends (soulflayers are not a bad fit here either per se, could work to represent aetheric flight/immaterial flames?)
Lesser Daemons = Nightstalker Reapers/Tormentors (daemon armaments) or Nightstalker Doppelgangers (immaterial projectiles - presumably being spit out of their mouths or sculpt some flames into their hands)
Daemon Swarms = Nightstalker Needlefangs
Daemon Cavalry = Nightstalker Shadowhounds (paint the tongues differently for immaterial projectiles)
Daemon Harriers = Nightstalker Phantoms (paint the tongues differently for immaterial projectiles)
Greater Daemon Beasts = Nightstalker Dreadfiend
Daemon Behemoth = Nightstalker Terror
Ruinstorm Arch-Daemon = Nightstalker Shadowhulk

Only major downside is you'll basically never truly be WYSIWYG with regards to models that have blades vs armaments, though its not difficult to fudge it.

Thing is though, it would probably be more expensive than just buying GW minis.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Depends on the scale.

FLGS supports communities and provides jobs.

STL does and should benefit the creator, but it’s just the creator.

Pick your preferred beneficiary

you say that like FLGS's carry a ton of these 3rd party products and you won't just be ordering online

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Depends on the scale.

FLGS supports communities and provides jobs.

STL does and should benefit the creator, but it’s just the creator.

Pick your preferred beneficiary

you say that like FLGS's carry a ton of these 3rd party products and you won't just be ordering online

Depends on the FLGS.

beast_gts wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think I’d prefer 3rd Party gribblies over 3d printed gribblies.

Yep - I'm considering Wargames Atlantic Harvesters (but they do look more like bugs than deamons).

Spoiler:

there was a person on FB in the Xenos Rampant group that used those and the extra limbs from the set to make something that (IMO) could pass as Megarachnids..

https://www.facebook.com/groups/xenosrampant/posts/896419398770265/

and Frostgrave has plastic demon kits you could probably kitbash with Frostgrave Gnolls, and stargrave alien heads (as well as bits from pretty much any of the frostgrave, oathmark, or stargrave kits) to create some fun custom units. would only really work for the basic infantry types though, not the big stuff. but reaper and other companies have plenty of options for the bigger stuff.

mithril2098 wrote:


there was a person on FB in the Xenos Rampant group that used those and the extra limbs from the set to make something that (IMO) could pass as Megarachnids..

https://www.facebook.com/groups/xenosrampant/posts/896419398770265/

Just as an FYI, FB links to non-open groups don't work if people aren't members.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Depends on the scale.

FLGS supports communities and provides jobs.

STL does and should benefit the creator, but it’s just the creator.

Pick your preferred beneficiary

you say that like FLGS's carry a ton of these 3rd party products and you won't just be ordering online

That’s a them problem. You of course can’t buy what they don’t stock, in which case you can’t buy local, and so buy online

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/12/how-to-model-heavier-weapons-onto-your-mkiii-space-marines/

New article about how the MKIII work with the weapon upgrades. It has been a discussion topic how the MKIII will use the heavy weapons when they only come with MKVI arms and this article confirms there are extra armour plates included in the MKIII kit to glue onto the MKVI arms so they look like MKIII.

I would have expected us to either have to use the MKVI arms and accept the different design or buy an extra arm sprue but this is a pretty nice solution

That’s a pretty neat solution to be sure.

That’s pretty clever. The elbow joints are different and the hands will be missing the iconic bolts, but it’s pretty cool they went the extra step to add extra armor plates

Also explains why they redesigned the elbow so the only would be the extra armour. Could they do the same for MKIV, just with a different armour bit?

but of course! Thats a pretty good solution, but it will also mean that most if not all upgrade kits will be made with MKVI arms. Not that I'm complaining since beakies 4 lyfe is my team, but maybe not ideal for the rest of ya..

 Matrindur wrote:
Also explains why they redesigned the elbow so the only would be the extra armour. Could they do the same for MKIV, just with a different armour bit?

Not really, no.

The Mk IV thingy is an integral part of the arm-armour not an extra plate.

Ahh well that solves that issue. And rather elegantly as well, I'll admit.


Alas for me though, seeing the new MkIII from different angles (and in my own legion colours no less) has reinforced how much I don't like them. "Iconic" Iron pattern, these are not.

Well played, GW. I'm much happier putting heavy weapons on Mk3 than on Mk6.