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Well those are both fantastic.

Those do look quite nice!

 Gert wrote:
Apothecary wouldn't have been in a Command Squad box because HH Command Squads don't have them.

I mean, I personally assumed it would be less command *squad* and more just "command". IE another box of 10-20 minis with lots of options to make tech marines, apothecaries, praetor and some consuls, etc.

Otherwise I don't really see the point in having a specific kit, you basically just need an upgrade sprue paired with a box of legionnaires or Assault marines and you'd be able to accomplish the same thing.

It's gw. Bespoke kits at least it's not full on no model no rules.

I like the very subtle tactical rocks both models apparently have

Apothecaries look great! It does make me wonder if we will ever see a plastic MKV kit, all those studs would tricky to pull off on a plastic sprue but if the new MKIII are anything to go by, GW have gotten pretty good at that sort of detail.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, I personally assumed it would be less command *squad* and more just "command". IE another box of 10-20 minis with lots of options to make tech marines, apothecaries, praetor and some consuls, etc.

Otherwise I don't really see the point in having a specific kit, you basically just need an upgrade sprue paired with a box of legionnaires or Assault marines and you'd be able to accomplish the same thing.

Not sure why you would think that would happen when it's not been the case so far.


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 Commander Cain wrote:
Apothecaries look great! It does make me wonder if we will ever see a plastic MKV kit, all those studs would tricky to pull off on a plastic sprue but if the new MKIII are anything to go by, GW have gotten pretty good at that sort of detail.

I'm thinking we might see MkV and possibly MkII make a return as FW products in the newer scale. Would be nice to get some MkII again.

Honestly would have preffered a plastic upgrade kit, a single sprue would have surficed. Few different arms, techy bits lights and shoulder saws. Maybe a head/shoulder in a few different marks. But, i guess that's what 3d printing is for eh?

They're wonderful and all, but resin and paired in 2 different marks. If you're doing an all mk6 or 5 army it's a bit of a annoyance.

 Gert wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, I personally assumed it would be less command *squad* and more just "command". IE another box of 10-20 minis with lots of options to make tech marines, apothecaries, praetor and some consuls, etc.

Otherwise I don't really see the point in having a specific kit, you basically just need an upgrade sprue paired with a box of legionnaires or Assault marines and you'd be able to accomplish the same thing.

Not sure why you would think that would happen when it's not been the case so far.

Not sure what you mean? Instead of giving us special and heavy weapon squads they gave us upgrade sprues, so theres a pretty clear precedent set already. The same roadmap that tells us a command squad kit is coming in the spring also tells us it will be accompanied by what seems to be melee weapon sprues (presumably for despoiler squads and alternate melee weapon options for various units that are not currently supported in plastic), which is further precedent. I can't imagine why they would feel the need to introduce a bespoke command squad kit for a unit thats really just made distinct by its wargear swaps. I'm sure they'll probably be in fancier armor and the like, but you could have just stuck some fancy shoulder pads, heads and backpacks onto the upgrade sprue and achieved the same effect - chances are most people will probably end up using legion specific resin upgrades for that sort of thing anyway. Especially when you consider that a command squad can be in artificer power armor, terminator armor, cataphracti armor, or have jump packs, jetbikes, artificer armor, etc. If GW wants to give us one kit that can make all of those things, then ok, I guess I'll accept it as an alternative to an upgrade sprue... but we all know they aren't going to actually do that, so wasting our time and their production slots releasing one of the like 5-6 different command squad kits they will need to drop in order to cover all their options doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather they just released a set of upgrade sprues that fits together with the legion tacticals/assault marines/jetbike squad to make a command version of those units, and another ste of sprues for cataphracti/tartaros terminators to do the same. Then they can move on to giving us stuff that actually matters like breacher marines or destroyers.

cody.d. wrote:
Honestly would have preffered a plastic upgrade kit, a single sprue would have surficed. Few different arms, techy bits lights and shoulder saws. Maybe a head/shoulder in a few different marks. But, i guess that's what 3d printing is for eh?

They're wonderful and all, but resin and paired in 2 different marks. If you're doing an all mk6 or 5 army it's a bit of a annoyance.

A plastic kit or upgrade sprue would of course have been preferable, but I think this is a pretty good 'second best'. I like the design of these, even if they are perhaps a bit more WH40k-like than the previous FW Apothecaries were. Also - the recent FW character models have a nice uniformity of style, a clean finish and are beautifully cast (I have a couple of them). Having resisted including FW character models in my HH stuff, I am now pretty happy adding a few of them. Including these 2.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
...I'd rather they just released a set of upgrade sprues that fits together with the legion tacticals/assault marines/jetbike squad to make a command version of those units, and another ste of sprues for cataphracti/tartaros terminators to do the same. Then they can move on to giving us stuff that actually matters like breacher marines or destroyers.

I am struggling to imagine what this command squad would actually include (apart from a banner, which is really what distinguishes a command squad visually). Assuming it is really just an upgrade sprue (probably compatible with both the Mk VI and the new Mark III models), it seems as though it would mostly be weapons. I suppose they could include some fancy helmets and maybe pauldrons (for both armour types?), but that doesn't sound very exciting.

I just think it's cool that they remembered Mk.V exists.

Guys c'mon we already know it will be literally this



With or without bodies included, but guaranteed to be designed for Mk6.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just think it's cool that they remembered Mk.V exists.

I think Mk V should be the next armour type that they do in plastic (assuming they intend to do more). I don't think the studs would stop them from representing this type in plastic - it would just mean some additional parts.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
With or without bodies included, but guaranteed to be designed for Mk6.

Quite possibly. But that still doesn't give much indication of what will be in the set. Remove the commander figure (which seems to be modelled on the plastic Praetor), and all you're left with is some fancy weapons and crests, and maybe some loincloths.

I really like the apothecaries!

The MkV head looks a bit like an Indomitus Terminator snout.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
The MkV head looks a bit like an Indomitus Terminator snout.

Mmm, yes, and if deliberately so a callback to how it was originally described in that White Dwarf article from 1990. Definitely a change to the existing, MKVII-ish, MkV FW helmets and presumably not a one-off, for better or worse.

Isn’t the MkV helm supposed to be a direct relation of the classic terminator helm? Like one was developed from the other? I’m pretty sure that has been in the lore for years.

Hmm I've never seen that 1990 source and I'm definitely aware of a terminatory influence, more or less pronounced, on every instance of Mk5 helms GW/FW makes, usually through the rounded, filled in "cheeks" around the side nozzle things, which, interestingly, are not noticeable here, rather the whole helm is a little wedge shaped.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hmm I've never seen that 1990 source and I'm definitely aware of a terminatory influence, more or less pronounced, on every instance of Mk5 helms GW/FW makes, usually through the rounded, filled in "cheeks" around the side nozzle things, which, interestingly, are not noticeable here, rather the whole helm is a little wedge shaped.

I think the influence has always been there, but it's waxed and waned over the years and the current ones do, to me, recall "chonky MkVII" more than anything else. The new one definitely has more of a snout, and the eye shape is closer to Indomitus too.

There's a newer version of the article on WarCom (Power Armour Through the Ages), which says:

The bulldog-like Mk. V helmet is based on the Terminator helmet.

This is a pretty cool rendition. Again I would say it's more the width of the cheeks than the length of the snout.

From White Dwarf 129 - "The helmet type (illustrated) is a spin-off from the Terminator development program, an early type of pre-production helmet, sharing the same type of auto-sense components as contemporary Terminator suits."

It looks ok I guess but I feel like they could have put more studs on it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just think it's cool that they remembered Mk.V exists.

Oh yeah. Mark FIIIVVVVEEE baby!

Love it. Now, I wonder how easy (or difficult) it will be to slap a jump pack on that bad boy?

So, Solar Auxilia seem to be "Out of Stock Online" now.
Seems that pretty much confirms them as the Mystery Army which honestly I was not expecting.

So for solar aux, kit speculation? Def infantry box, special weapon upgrade set. Russ hull and turret to go with the existing tracks and sides sprue. Malcador hull with gun or dracosian parts. Ogryn and sentinels. Maybe rapier and command squad.

That's my guess for plastic. Baneblade will probably be a resin upgrade for the plast8c kit.

the rumors from valrak were an army box with infantry, a leman russ, dracosian and a "command Sentinel" which most people have figured is the new sentinel that comes in legion imperials.

I would just take the current line and assume at least all of the Infantry will be moved over unless any remain available on the GW webstore.
I'll be interested to see how the Heavy Sentinel fits in seeing as it's currently the only potential model without rules in Liber Imperium.

 lurch wrote:
the rumors from valrak were an army box with infantry, a leman russ, dracosian and a "command Sentinel" which most people have figured is the new sentinel that comes in legion imperials.

Specifically his rumours are:

Infantry
Either a command squad or a command sentinel
Leman Russ variant
A heavy transport

The Sentinel in LI doesn't have any command version so I think a normal Command Squad is likelier especially since that would be a pretty important release and the Dracosan wasn't specified, just a heavy transport. Which is very very likely the Dracosan but could theoretically be something new

Dracosan is likely, since they can split the sprues so the two track assemblies and belly can be on their own sprue(s) and reused for malcador tank variants