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Plastic Brets? Awesome news. For the Lady!

That is fantastic news indeed.

I know this horse is already out of the barn, but I'm hoping that the Brets (and the TK) don't suffer from ongoing scale creep.

I have a sizeable Bret army from 5th/6th, and would really like the new stuff to fit in. The last iteration of Brets were much bulkier and larger, and looked out of place.

If they were "to scale", I'd buy a bunch. If they're not... then no sales from me (and I'm not even going to mention the potential price points).

And while these teases are a lot of fun, I want to know when we might actually expect them.

I like that the shields aren't embossed for some hot freehand heraldry action!

Chikout wrote:
Does none else think that the Bretonnian stuff is just kind of boring? There's not much on the way of detail and the helmet crests are pretty much the same designs we had before. The shields also look exactly like the old ones with no added details. Keeping the face of the shields bare is sensible, but there are no nicks or dents no lady's favours hanging off the shields and barely any variation in the shapes of the shields. The swords are also all prestine with a pretty uniform design. The only nice touch I liked is the key hanging on one arm. I don't need oddles of detail but for a preview showing off a first look at new minis, I expected more. The Tomb King stuff is much better.

I respectfully disagree...I'm glad the design is relatively simple, hopefully this translates to a lower price point for these releases and not $100 for 5 models which with inflation/current economy, that's what we are trending towards it feels like.

But ignoring the economics here, I think the target audience they are trying to appeal to are mostly oldhammer folks and of course people playing Total War. Keeping the design simple allows oldhammer folks the ability to incorporate these new designs into existing armies and hopefully not scare away new folks entering from the Total War world who might just be trying a table top miniatures games for the first time.

Moreover, some of the best paint (and conversions) I've seen in the worlds of Warhammer (both 40k and fantasy) in my entire life have been with Bretonnia armies. I loveeeeeeeeee that they kept the shields bare so people could paint their own heraldies on there. Painting each knight individually I have zero doubt is a pain but gives you ample opportunity to add details as you see fit yourself and is certainly a labor of love. And it shows when lined up against them on the battlefield.

I for one was initially worried when the images looked like resin weapons at first glance and my mind went down the rabbit hole of specialist games/limited releases/etc...then I read the actual article and saw plastic and new models and was stoked. Excited for what this brings.

 Cruentus wrote:

If they were "to scale", I'd buy a bunch. If they're not... then no sales from me (and I'm not even going to mention the potential price points).

Increased scale also carries the problem of larger unit foot prints = less board space for the "playing" part. I hope they have this one figured out.

I was wrong. This is very exciting!

 Olthannon wrote:
They look pretty good, hopefully the models will look better than these renders. But I'm excited for these bad boys and I'm glad Bretonnians and Tomb Kings are getting new kits.

I still think we are a year away from the actual release, minimum.

Yeah. Next summer would be my guess. Which is a long time to wait - but I just disagree on "its a specialist game, they could chuck it out whenever".

I guess it depends on how far you stretch "specialist game".

Obviously the big box sets are kind of expensive - but you can be in the midst of a 40k army and find some money to buy a Bloodbowl team or Necromunda gang box if say you suddenly wanted to play with your friends (and one of them has the rules, dice, terrain etc).

I'm not sure that's the same as what appears to be a fairly major resurrection of Fantasy armies. I mean if the Tomb Kings were to get just a Tomb Prince, a Liche Priest, some foot skeletons and chariots, that's 4 new kits. Chuck in - due to references in previous reveals - say new Ushabti and a Tomb Scorpion and that's 6 kits. That's a 40k/AoS level release.
Brets could have the same.
Empire could have even more. Then there's Chaos, Orcs and Goblins, Dwarfs, Three different kinds of elves, Kislev as advertised all those years ago, the list goes on. I wouldn't expect all of this out at the same time obviously - but it adds up in a way that I don't think some of these examples do.

If GW is going to put this much effort in, they need to make it land. Which means the official release, big box etc, will be a big event. I don't think they'll want to cram that in with 40k. If we get a new edition, we won't just get a new box, but will also inevitably get a new wave of Marines+whoever else in the box (Tyranids?) with the codexes a few months later. Presumably (since they've been at pains to tell us) AoS isn't being terminated, so they'll still be doing releases for that as well.

 Cruentus wrote:
I know this horse is already out of the barn, but I'm hoping that the Brets (and the TK) don't suffer from ongoing scale creep.

I have a sizeable Bret army from 5th/6th, and would really like the new stuff to fit in. The last iteration of Brets were much bulkier and larger, and looked out of place.

If they were "to scale", I'd buy a bunch. If they're not... then no sales from me (and I'm not even going to mention the potential price points).

And while these teases are a lot of fun, I want to know when we might actually expect them.

Well then you can forget tow right away as they won't go back to old scale


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 nathan2004 wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Does none else think that the Bretonnian stuff is just kind of boring? There's not much on the way of detail and the helmet crests are pretty much the same designs we had before. The shields also look exactly like the old ones with no added details. Keeping the face of the shields bare is sensible, but there are no nicks or dents no lady's favours hanging off the shields and barely any variation in the shapes of the shields. The swords are also all prestine with a pretty uniform design. The only nice touch I liked is the key hanging on one arm. I don't need oddles of detail but for a preview showing off a first look at new minis, I expected more. The Tomb King stuff is much better.

I respectively disagree...I'm glad the design is relatively simple, hopefully this translates to a lower price point for these releases and not $100 for 5 models which with inflation/current economy, that's what we are trending towards it feels like.

Sorry to be downer but sheld design won't affect mould cost so unlikely to show in price. Details cost them maybe 0.0000001 pound per box

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see a rulebook/some kind of box for the Xmas release followed up by the full launch at some point in mid 2024.

GW likes it's winter releases as much as holding the summer for it's mainline new editions. BB2016 came out in Nov/Dec. Necromunda came out the same time the following year. Battle for Osgilliath came out in November.

Depending on what they've got coming out, it's quite common for them to release SG new editions in the run up to Christmas.

So which one is going to come back first? Are they going to claim that this is still going to be a warmaster release, or are they going to suggest that they're completely changing the square base system and around? Maybe they're going to convince us that they're using AOS models and that the Warhammer fantasy battle aesthetic isn't coming back again.



If the scale creep is too bad then this is going to wind up with a market flooded with 6th edition bretonnian models or 5th edition models. It'll also mean flooded 6th edition Tomb King models. I plan on snapping up as many as I find

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 nathan2004 wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Does none else think that the Bretonnian stuff is just kind of boring? There's not much on the way of detail and the helmet crests are pretty much the same designs we had before. The shields also look exactly like the old ones with no added details. Keeping the face of the shields bare is sensible, but there are no nicks or dents no lady's favours hanging off the shields and barely any variation in the shapes of the shields. The swords are also all prestine with a pretty uniform design. The only nice touch I liked is the key hanging on one arm. I don't need oddles of detail but for a preview showing off a first look at new minis, I expected more. The Tomb King stuff is much better.

I respectfully disagree...I'm glad the design is relatively simple, hopefully this translates to a lower price point for these releases and not $100 for 5 models which with inflation/current economy, that's what we are trending towards it feels like.

"Sorry to be downer but sheld design won't affect mould cost so unlikely to show in price. Details cost them maybe 0.0000001 pound per box "

Chikout wrote:
Does none else think that the Bretonnian stuff is just kind of boring? There's not much on the way of detail and the helmet crests are pretty much the same designs we had before. The shields also look exactly like the old ones with no added details. Keeping the face of the shields bare is sensible, but there are no nicks or dents no lady's favours hanging off the shields and barely any variation in the shapes of the shields.

Why on Earth there should be any nicks on dents in the shields when A) it's obvious they made them flat for the use with big sheet of transfers that will come in the box, B) you can make any nicks and dents you want with drill and knife but you can't exactly undent damaged shields if 'your dudes' are of the type that wears only the pristine stuff into battle?

Ditto with the shield shapes (historically, it was pretty uniform in a given era because people used the best design available and shields were the cheapest and simplest to make piece of kit) and swords (in later medieval times most of the swords issued were brand new, there was no market stall with used swords in every town, that's video game invention), I fail to see how either is a problem exactly...

Very, very, VERY happy for Bret and TK fans (myself included). This should be a fun release!

 Kanluwen wrote:
*goes back to his forests, waiting for news on the Asrai*

Congrats to Tomb Kings and Bretonnia though, I guess?

Apologies in advance if this is a ignorant question but aren't all the Elf races combined into 1 at this point in the story line? I play Dark Elves and have a high elf army on sprues still (I even had an entire Wood Elf army bought and in boxes still at the end of 8th I sold when AoS dropped) so I'd be pumped if we get them separated into their distinct factions. Admittedly I'm not a historian of the game, I just really enjoyed playing and didn't get into the lore much until right at the very tail end of things.

 nathan2004 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
*goes back to his forests, waiting for news on the Asrai*

Congrats to Tomb Kings and Bretonnia though, I guess?

Apologies in advance if this is a ignorant question but aren't all the Elf races combined into 1 at this point in the story line? I play Dark Elves and have a high elf army on sprues still (I even had an entire Wood Elf army bought and in boxes still at the end of 8th I sold when AoS dropped) so I'd be pumped if we get them separated into their distinct factions. Admittedly I'm not a historian of the game, I just really enjoyed playing and didn't get into the lore much until right at the very tail end of things.

Nope, they've been separate for millennia already at this point in the timeline. In fact the Dark Elves are involved in probably their most significant (and most successful) invasion of Ulthuan around this time. In terms of Elven history, IC 2200-2250 (or thereabouts) is pretty recent. Same Phoenix King as the 'current' one (i.e. prior to End Times) and most of the existing named elven special characters should be alive, even if they're not as significant as they later would be.

^Thank you very much for that, that's very good to know!!!

I am very excited about this. So perhaps a bretonnia vs a Khemri box set?

I like the rather plain bretonnia look. Even an average painter like me can do them fairly easy. Compare to the Indomitus space marines for unneeded kipple imo.

 Cruentus wrote:
I know this horse is already out of the barn, but I'm hoping that the Brets (and the TK) don't suffer from ongoing scale creep.

I have a sizeable Bret army from 5th/6th, and would really like the new stuff to fit in. The last iteration of Brets were much bulkier and larger, and looked out of place.

If they were "to scale", I'd buy a bunch. If they're not... then no sales from me (and I'm not even going to mention the potential price points)

I use both iterations of Brets in my army. The older ones are my Knights Errant (ornamentation removed from the helmets to give them a more basic look) while the newer ones make up my KotR and Grail Knights. I'll probably use the newest sculpts as my Grail Knights and keep the rest just to help accentuate social/class stratification between the types of knightly units.

I just hope we'll be able to make proper looking Questing Knights out of these new kits.

 Breotan wrote:

 Cruentus wrote:
I know this horse is already out of the barn, but I'm hoping that the Brets (and the TK) don't suffer from ongoing scale creep.

I have a sizeable Bret army from 5th/6th, and would really like the new stuff to fit in. The last iteration of Brets were much bulkier and larger, and looked out of place.

If they were "to scale", I'd buy a bunch. If they're not... then no sales from me (and I'm not even going to mention the potential price points)

I use both iterations of Brets in my army. The older ones are my Knights Errant (ornamentation removed from the helmets to give them a more basic look) while the newer ones make up my KotR and Grail Knights. I'll probably use the newest sculpts as my Grail Knights and keep the rest just to help accentuate social/class stratification between the types of knightly units.

I just hope we'll be able to make proper looking Questing Knights out of these new kits.

As far as scale goes, the khemri hands seems to be fairly miniscules om these weapons. So I dare believe they are not very chunky, clunky or 'heroic' scale.

Finally, something concrete for The Old World!

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Finally, something concrete for The Old World!

Yeah. Its nice. Like the lack pointless cruft.

Given their previous fate, though, now I'm worried about how long GW will bother to support TOW.

 triplegrim wrote:


As far as scale goes, the khemri hands seems to be fairly miniscules om these weapons. So I dare believe they are not very chunky, clunky or 'heroic' scale.

That's likely just better proportions doing away with ham fists across the range.

People should really expect the Cadian treatment for the new miniatures.

Depends if it makes money or not doesn't it?
If people buy into TOW then GW will support it and people will buy in if GW supports the system both locally and globally i.e. events and the such.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Incoming new map at a different perspective and more recycled artwork.

Oof. This didn't even have time to age!

 Gert wrote:
Depends if it makes money or not doesn't it?
If people buy into TOW then GW will support it and people will buy in if GW supports the system both locally and globally i.e. events and the such.

That's the hope but even exceding gw's own sale expectations isn't sure path for further support

Obviously not but it's a pretty good shot if ToW is going to be considered in the same vein as HH.

I would expect it in 2024 in the same time slot HH had last year, at the earliest.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I would expect it in 2024 in the same time slot HH had last year, at the earliest.

AOS 4th Edt. is next Summer, 2025 would be the HH release slot. If they are sticking to the 3 year cycle.

Given this is "The Old World" (even though we all know it's just WFB 2) I'd be interested to see what they do with Lizardmen to separate them from AoS. Maybe they could make them Southlands specific and give them a different flavour.