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Are there any rumors about a big reveal at Warhammer Fest? It's only a few weeks away so maybe they are saving the April preview for that perhaps where they will reveal more substantial information about the game...

The big news at Warhammer Fest is the 40K new edition rules and boxed set being demoed.

I would not expect any super big news to counter that until we are past June/July period.

triplegrim wrote:New rumor from Faeit 212. The Old World will be a small 2023 release (as Epic).

Seems credible. Even logical, if its going to come out in 2023.

https://natfka.blogspot.com/2023/04/rumors-old-world.html?m=1

Warhammer The Old World will be just (like Epic) a small release. We get the Launch Box, Rulebook, the Compendium and an Accessories Pack for returnee Players.

They want to fill the "40 Years of Warhammer" Topic without blunders. Bigger releases then in Early 2024 before they go "all in" with Warhammer Age of Sigmar...


Youtubers have also picked it up.

https://youtu.be/BMw4x73Xlbg

If this is the case, and they are depending on players with existing armies to sort of street team this at FLGS's to help the game along as it's only going to have a starter set worth of models, then the rumor for base changes makes even LESS sense than before.

I would say it fits better as there will be no rules for bases, as usual with GW, but the new models in the box will all have new base sizes

and changes to bases will not be in the rules but like in 40k come with the new model released and players need to figure it out on their own

I can't even comprehend how bases won't matter in a regimental combat game...

and still GW did not care about bases at all since end of 6th Edition (outside of "whatever is in the box) and players needed to figure it out on their own

if this is based on 7th, there is a good chance there won't be anything about bases in the rules, simple because GW won't think about this as an issue as people are supposed to play with the new models anyway and those who don't can house rule it
and it is a casual game anyway, so not having rules for everything is fine

Wait folks the rumour says accesory pack will be sold.

Who is willing to bet there is going be base converters under it.

That would be a huge troll from GeeDubs.

Since the entire concept of combat revolves around "base to base" I have a hard time accepting they'll handwave it. And bases DID matter in 7th. They may not have published base charts, but the rules were still very base dependent.

And I question the validity of the whole "based on 7th" rumor as well. 7th was considered a pretty low point rules and army list wise.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Is there actually any indication that's been rebased for ToW, though? Has that specific painted model been shown before and has been re-based since the last time it was seen? Some other models for that 40 years of Warhammer thing haven't been rebased with something more current, like the original Space Marine.

GW has never sold 30x60 rectangular bases before and, outside of what we've been told about ToW, has otherwise entirely abandoned rectilinear bases. A rumour comes along that they're increasing the base sizes in ToW, including one with the dimensions of 30x60, and then less than a week later, this green knight appears on a noticeably larger base.

Are you suggesting that they custom made a larger base to place this previously painted green knight on just for the lulz? What else would it be rebased for?

Are we sure it's rectangle and not aos cavalry base that's 72mm long? From angle i can't tell shape. Just that it's longer than 50mm.

Bases 100% do matter in combat games that GW makes.

HOWEVER GW also takes a very simple stance of not invalidating models and thus has always taken the "the base in the box is the correct baes" approach.
That GW also changes base sizes (sometimes, esp in 40K, almost feeling as if at random) which then changes how a unit performs in the game is another one of those areas where GW has two hands doing different things and it only works because its one of many weak areas in their rules writing.


Again GW is caught in their own trap of trying to appease two elements that don't actually link up well in practice.



In general most gamers know that if you're going to compete or play seriously or even just casually and want to be as fair and close to the rules; then you have to use the currently set base. If GW has changed that then its time to rebase or buy again.





Note this gets amusing when there are models sold at the same time which are the same model in the game ,but which have different bases in the box.

 Just Tony wrote:
And bases DID matter in 7th. They may not have published base charts, but the rules were still very base dependent.

as was 8th, yet there were no rules or guidelines for bases outside of "what is in the box" and this was a constant source for troubles specially with those models coming with multiple bases

GW did not care if this was important to the game or necessary that all people used the same base size for the same units

 Just Tony wrote:
And I question the validity of the whole "based on 7th" rumor as well. 7th was considered a pretty low point rules and army list wise.

hence why it sound reasonable
and the low point if 7th was the "don't care" approach of GW regarding rules (this was the time were "we don't make mistakes" was an official FAQ answer regarding missing army book updates from 6th)

 Overread wrote:
In general most gamers know that if you're going to compete or play seriously or even just casually and want to be as fair and close to the rules; then you have to use the currently set base. If GW has changed that then its time to rebase or buy again.

Note this gets amusing when there are models sold at the same time which are the same model in the game ,but which have different bases in the box.

Yeah I would assume tournaments etc can just put in a Base Size rule in their tournament pack along with the rest of the blance stuff they will need to put in

 Just Tony wrote:
I can't even comprehend how bases won't matter in a regimental combat game...

I'm having a tough time as well, but I have a vested interest now with an older army and one that I'm renovated.

What if who fights is just determined by if you're touching the opponent and not about who is in base-to-base? Also I could see them removing templates and going to D6's based on number of models.

The only thing they can't compensate for, custom movement trays aside, is charge range to a unit where they would be slightly closer or further away than if they had proper bases. Maybe we're just not supposed to care that much and that's GW's solution?

tneva82 wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
It's true, it's also noticeably wider than the bases in the plastic knight photos below.

Random thought. It's on aos cavalry base. 75x42mm.

Smallest AoS cavalry base is 60x35mm (Dire Wolves, Flesh Hounds, Snarlfang Riders, Lumineth etc). 75x42mm is the next size up (Chaos Knights, Blood Knights) followed by 90x52mm (Dracoth).

tneva82 wrote:


Are we sure it's rectangle and not aos cavalry base that's 72mm long? From angle i can't tell shape. Just that it's longer than 50mm.

Tneva82 see the previous page second post, there you can see clearly thats a rectangle base.

 kodos wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
And bases DID matter in 7th. They may not have published base charts, but the rules were still very base dependent.

as was 8th, yet there were no rules or guidelines for bases outside of "what is in the box" and this was a constant source for troubles specially with those models coming with multiple bases

GW did not care if this was important to the game or necessary that all people used the same base size for the same units

 Just Tony wrote:
And I question the validity of the whole "based on 7th" rumor as well. 7th was considered a pretty low point rules and army list wise.

hence why it sound reasonable
and the low point if 7th was the "don't care" approach of GW regarding rules (this was the time were "we don't make mistakes" was an official FAQ answer regarding missing army book updates from 6th)

Hm, I remember the 7th ed core rules being good and it was army books that ruined it.

Units being able to fight in two combats a combat phase if you schedule your pursuits with minimal effort, castrated Swarms, have your cake and eat it too BSB rules with no points increase,. That's just off the top of my head. So I'm sure I can find more if I looked.

 herjan1987 wrote:
Wait folks the rumour says accesory pack will be sold.

Who is willing to bet there is going be base converters under it.

That would be a huge troll from GeeDubs.

Not a typical GW product imo.

I was thinking more artillery dice, templates and perhaps measurement.

 triplegrim wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
Wait folks the rumour says accesory pack will be sold.

Who is willing to bet there is going be base converters under it.

That would be a huge troll from GeeDubs.

Not a typical GW product imo.

I was thinking more artillery dice, templates and perhaps measurement.

Magic cards A thing they should absolutely do when they want to go proper oldschool.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
Wait folks the rumour says accesory pack will be sold.

Who is willing to bet there is going be base converters under it.

That would be a huge troll from GeeDubs.

Not a typical GW product imo.

I was thinking more artillery dice, templates and perhaps measurement.

Magic cards A thing they should absolutely do when they want to go proper oldschool.

Christ, it'd be dead on arrival for me. Might as well bring back Flying High...

 kodos wrote:
and still GW did not care about bases at all since end of 6th Edition (outside of "whatever is in the box) and players needed to figure it out on their own

True... sorta.

While monsters and such did experience base size creep along with scale creep, the basic infantry and cavalry have always been 20x20, 25x25, or 25x50 for as long as I can remember. So the CORE of the armies have been consistent for quite a few editions, even if there has been some fluctuation in the bases of centerpiece models.

Changing the bases of the CORE of the armies will have a significant impact on the game. Especially if bigger bases bring with them bigger templates.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Are there any rumors about a big reveal at Warhammer Fest? It's only a few weeks away so maybe they are saving the April preview for that perhaps where they will reveal more substantial information about the game...

I haven't heard any rumors to that affect, but I do think GW will showcase TOW at Warhammer Fest in a few weeks. I suspect the reason GW announced 10th edition at adepticon in order to let TOW have the spotlight at Warhammer Fest. Also, I'm pretty sure the whole "40 years of warhammer" thing they've been doing each Wednesday is to build up nostalgia for classic Warhammer and (by proxy) lead up to the announcement of TOW.

 Just Tony wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
Wait folks the rumour says accesory pack will be sold.

Who is willing to bet there is going be base converters under it.

That would be a huge troll from GeeDubs.

Not a typical GW product imo.

I was thinking more artillery dice, templates and perhaps measurement.

Magic cards A thing they should absolutely do when they want to go proper oldschool.

Christ, it'd be dead on arrival for me. Might as well bring back Flying High...

I think they just mean physical cards that have the spells and not the actual system from 4th/5th.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:
Wait folks the rumour says accesory pack will be sold.

Who is willing to bet there is going be base converters under it.

That would be a huge troll from GeeDubs.

Not a typical GW product imo.

I was thinking more artillery dice, templates and perhaps measurement.

Magic cards A thing they should absolutely do when they want to go proper oldschool.

Christ, it'd be dead on arrival for me. Might as well bring back Flying High...

I think they just mean physical cards that have the spells and not the actual system from 4th/5th.

Yeah, i menant spell cards and item cards etc., not the energy-card system, which scaled horribly.

New preview article online:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/14/old-world-development-diary-on-bases-and-the-barons-of-bretonnia/

With info about basing!

Over the decades, our models have become larger and more dynamic, which means that many units have become difficult to arrange into ranks and files. Players must be able to line their models up without complex planning about which spear has to go where in order to use them in-game. On top of that, we didn’t like that the back ranks were hidden and hard to see.

So now, all 20mm bases have been replaced with 25mm bases. Most (but not all) 25mm and 25×50 bases have been replaced with new-sized bases.

The Q&A will be divisive, i fear:

Do I need to rebase my old army?
If you’re playing at home there’ll be no requirement to rebase anything. For casual play, the size of base will make a minimal difference to gameplay. The rules will be written assuming the new larger base sizes – so if you’re planning to play competitively, you might want to upgrade to larger bases,

Q: How do I know the correct base size for my models?

A: Base sizes will be given in every model’s profile.

Q: Can I take my old armies to organised play events?

A: Sure! But organised play events (tournaments, campaign events, etc) will probably require armies to be based appropriately for the new game (or on an appropriate movement tray). Organised play requires some standardisation and this is the best way to do it.

Q: Will we be able to buy bases?

A: Yes. All models in the Warhammer: The Old World range – including returning models – will be supplied with the correctly sized bases. We’ll also be selling bases and movement trays.

And it confirms more TOW stuff at WarhammerFest.

Thanks again to the Warhammer: The Old World team! There’s plenty more to come from development diaries in the future – and you may just hear even more at Warhammer Fest, which kicks off on Saturday the 29th of April.

That seems the most common sense approach. Really, base sizes barely worked by the end of WFB, they needed to go up. Interesting that this heavily suggests they'll be bringing existing models out of mothballs rather than only having new units.

Do we think the new AOS Saurus or Chaos Knights will rank up on square bases with a bit more wiggle room?

oof.

My largest painted WFB army is Beastmen, which got rebased twice thanks to their fething about with ungor. Dunno that I want to do it again.

Wish they'd specified the size of 'new sized bases,' even though obviously the want to sell them rather than people getting the jump with DYI or other companies.


profile including base size is a positive, however.


Also nice to see a Bret army with a unified color scheme. The mismatched rainbow-vomit approach always bothered me (though they do feel the need to explain that people can do what they want)

 The Phazer wrote:
That seems the most common sense approach. Really, base sizes barely worked by the end of WFB, they needed to go up. Interesting that this heavily suggests they'll be bringing existing models out of mothballs rather than only having new units.

Do we think the new AOS Saurus or Chaos Knights will rank up on square bases with a bit more wiggle room?

I think it's the most gentle approach they could have chosen: scaling the bases up is not really a problem, since you can always use appropriate-sized movement trays with spacers / 20mm cutouts.

It will be interestng to see how they handle Chaos and Lizardmen in general, so far they said nothing about it.

Wish they'd specified the size of 'new sized bases,' even though obviously the want to sell them rather than people getting the jump with DYI or other companies.

Yeah, i suspect they chose some weird size that they hope to have quasi-proprietary for some time, and are afraid of other companies being ready with alternatives or even army-themed bases before TOW even launches.

"Unfortunately, you will need to rebase your army. But, luckily for all of you, we sell the solution to the problem we created... I mean sell new bases that make the game better!"

Bringing old models back into production is good. It means people can start playing straight away instead of having to wait for their turn for some love.

Having to rebase everything again is less hot but only the woefully naïve shouldn't have expected some sort of scale creep, and this is probably less painful than the models.