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JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:

 Overread wrote:
*watches people arguing over if they'd pay current GW prices for "old" kits*


You guys do realise that probably a good half or more of AOS currently on sale kits are "old kits" right?

Also there's a MASSIVE number of old metal ranges of models still on sale in various scales. Heck Reaper have a huge backlog of metal and resin and bones sculpts that are all pretty old.

Heck Tyranids are getting a facelift and a good chunk of their models, like Gaunts, are from 3rd edition.



You can argue all you want, but yeah people do and are spending money on older kits even if new tech, new sculpting styles and methods are around.

Please, give me a link to where GW is selling the last generation of Bretonnian kits. Those are the main ones I'm interested in.

Nowhere. Yet. They're pretty much confirmed to be coming in some capacity though.

So they're clearly NOT among the 'good half or more AOS currently on sale' then.


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 The Phazer wrote:
Screw new models, sell me old ones. I want metal Diaz Deamonettes and seekers on general release.

Now THAT would really be something!

 herjan1987 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Exceeding gw's sale expectation is no shield for being terminated

Except we never know how much of what is selling, let alone compared to GW’s expectations.

We know from horse's mouth epic armageddon exceeded expectations by 400%. Or you think guy in charge of department responsible for it doesn't know

Game, set, match.

Was this figure always the case during Epics life cycle?

In this neither does AoS or Horus Heresy has fix place in the shelves. 40k is different beast.

That was during the era when 'Specialist Games' were banished to their own outlet, including their own magazine(s) and website, with 'mainstream' GW less and less acknowledging that they even existed. I'd wager that the 400% figure comes more from the expectations being extremely low rather than from a success that could be called amazing in absolute numbers.

I relatively new commer here( since 2016-2017 ) , that why I am asking, but I did little search and this was in 2013 during the Kirby era. I read more then fare share about that Kirby wasnt the guy, who was maintaining the company as well as he should have (putting half amount of models for double the price is always brought up here ). So I am just making assumptions, what the new ways of Games Workshop is showing to me.

There's a good two-parter article that explains a lot of what went wrong with Specialist Games in that era, it's a bit long but well worth the reading:

https://www.goonhammer.com/what-happened-to-gorkamorka-part-one-gorkers-and-morkers/
https://www.goonhammer.com/what-happened-to-gorkamorka-part-two-the-hulk/

It explains much of it by the example of the short-lived game Gorkamorka, but other games get mentioned as well and the underlying issues are relevant across the board.

 herjan1987 wrote:
Money talks. I wouldnt be suprised, if TOW would be good source of income for GW, that they pull a Blood Bowl style make over, when they wanted to make everything in resin expect the Starter set, and then they ported all the teams to plastic on the succes of it. Altought I dont know how succesfull is Horus Heresy 2.0, but it I now that it is mostly about marines get the plastic treatment, so you got limitation there but TOW is about tottaly differrent factions, that will recieve either old either new plastic models. I am monitoring a few different forums, some that are WHFB, some that are AoS exclusive and they most of the post welcome the Old World and even the old minis. So possibility for GW to make money on this is there. And we know where the money is there is the support.

I meant it more in the sense that GW will release a block of stuff and some books then people will say the game is dead and then the cycle will repeat.

I skimmed the goonhammer articles, doesn't talk about WHFB does it?

 herjan1987 wrote:
Little off track, but still staying on the topic of TOW, someone on the internet was smart and has funded the possible new Tomb King Liche priest tabletop model concept in Warhammer: Chaosbanes Tomb King Dlc



For more detailed pictures here is a link:

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/A9mXJq

The staff of the Liche priest is really familiar to the one that is featured in last months Weapons of War article ( https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/old-world-development-diary-revealing-the-weapons-of-war/ )

It's only vaguely similar in that they both use design elements that are common to the Tomb Kings, pretty much everything about it is different from that other staff.

 herjan1987 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Or not. Exceeding gw's sale expectation is no shield for being terminated

Except we never know how much of what is selling, let alone compared to GW’s expectations.

We know from horse's mouth epic armageddon exceeded expectations by 400%. Or you think guy in charge of department responsible for it doesn't know

Game, set, match.

Was this figure always the case during Epics life cycle?

In this neither does AoS or Horus Heresy has fix place in the shelves. 40k is different beast.

When I worked for GW UK I was told by a senior manager Epic did 5m pounds in it's first year but dropped to 1m pounds in it's second year, and that was why it stopped being supported.

(Goddamn Australian keyboard not having the right currency sign lol)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

In my book this Orc shaman, Gorbad Ironclaw and the new Azagh, the slaughterer models are the pinacles of the Warhammer Fantasys orc models.

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

Brian Nelson could sculpt anything into a stunning miniature. Man was unstoppable.

 herjan1987 wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

In my book this Orc shaman, Gorbad Ironclaw and the new Azagh, the slaughterer models are the pinacles of the Warhammer Fantasys orc models.

Coincidentally, all models I would buy if GW ever re-released them at decent prices (and if all three happen to be in metal)

God i hope metal models are on the table,

THe new saurus look really nice, so whether they are re-releasing the old saurus for ToW or not, I imagine a lot of people are just going to get the new ones and use them.

Nice models win out

 GaroRobe wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

In my book this Orc shaman, Gorbad Ironclaw and the new Azagh, the slaughterer models are the pinacles of the Warhammer Fantasys orc models.

Coincidentally, all models I would buy if GW ever re-released them at decent prices (and if all three happen to be in metal)

The shaman and Azagh had finecast models, not sure about Gorbad thou.

 Hellebore wrote:
THe new saurus look really nice, so whether they are re-releasing the old saurus for ToW or not, I imagine a lot of people are just going to get the new ones and use them.

Nice models win out

I think that's what's going to happen, but I've always been a big fan of the older metal saurus models that were around just before the plastic kits changed their design so much. A blister of those was technically my first warhammer purchase, years and years before i would really know what warhammer even really was.

 herjan1987 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

In my book this Orc shaman, Gorbad Ironclaw and the new Azagh, the slaughterer models are the pinacles of the Warhammer Fantasys orc models.

Coincidentally, all models I would buy if GW ever re-released them at decent prices (and if all three happen to be in metal)

The shaman and Azagh had finecast models, not sure about Gorbad thou.

I thought they started doing MTO with what the models were originally cast in. So some models that were made for finecast are out of luck, but the older models may be okay. I’m not positive but I think that’s how they were doing things

 herjan1987 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

In my book this Orc shaman, Gorbad Ironclaw and the new Azagh, the slaughterer models are the pinacles of the Warhammer Fantasys orc models.

Coincidentally, all models I would buy if GW ever re-released them at decent prices (and if all three happen to be in metal)

The shaman and Azagh had finecast models, not sure about Gorbad thou.

I believe Gorbad did have a finecast release, just not for too long.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 herjan1987 wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

In my book this Orc shaman, Gorbad Ironclaw and the new Azagh, the slaughterer models are the pinacles of the Warhammer Fantasys orc models.

Coincidentally, all models I would buy if GW ever re-released them at decent prices (and if all three happen to be in metal)

The shaman and Azagh had finecast models, not sure about Gorbad thou.

I thought they started doing MTO with what the models were originally cast in. So some models that were made for finecast are out of luck, but the older models may be okay. I’m not positive but I think that’s how they were doing things

They say "material they were last cast in", but several MTO models were delivered in metal despite having a newer Finecast release.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/19/40-years-of-warhammer-the-orc-shaman-who-conjured-a-classic-new-look-for-greenskins-everywhere/

Definitely building hype for Old World at least to me. And trying to convey that the 2 separate communities (AoS and OW) can coexist.

Brian Nelson could sculpt anything into a stunning miniature. Man was unstoppable.

He still is, he sculpted the AoS Megaboss.

I am looking forward to TOW. I loved Warhammer since it started when models had to be ordered by mail using info from ads in White Dwarf. 6th Edition was my favorite even though it had some flaws and Fear/Terror based armies were OP (especially VC and Slaanesh daemons). I want my snotlings, night goblins, Stone Trolls, and Black Orcs back. The old sculpts are fine. The newer AoS Orruks are lovely but don’t make me want to play the game. The Gloomspite Gitz are better but I haven’t been drawn in by them either. I want Dwarfs and Greenskins going at it hammer and tongs in massed battle without a round base in sight.

 JB wrote:
I am looking forward to TOW. I loved Warhammer since it started when models had to be ordered by mail using info from ads in White Dwarf. 6th Edition was my favorite even though it had some flaws and Fear/Terror based armies were OP (especially VC and Slaanesh daemons). I want my snotlings, night goblins, Stone Trolls, and Black Orcs back. The old sculpts are fine. The newer AoS Orruks are lovely but don’t make me want to play the game. The Gloomspite Gitz are better but I haven’t been drawn in by them either. I want Dwarfs and Greenskins going at it hammer and tongs in massed battle without a round base in sight.

The guy who runs classichammer.com lives in North Carolina and also plays 6th. Just saying, in case the wait for TOW is too long...

Hopefully we find out next week how long the wait will be...

Out of curiosity, have they mentioned anything about models sculpted for age of sigmar, but that originiated from warhammer fantasy?

For example, we have some amazing new warriors of chaos. Unless they have some stormcast eternal or other AOS faction trophies attached to them, they'd fit right into WF. However, since they're on round bases, they have wider poses and I'm not sure there's a square base size thats bigger than 25mm that would accommodate them. So would they just re-release the older kit specifically for fantasy? Or make even more chaos warriors

Same with seraphon, and some of the soulblight. The direwolves and skeletons presumably make work on square bases, but the vampire lords are all massive.

That sort of ties back in the issues with scale creep, since they said WHF models will be in the same scale that they used to be in. Large WoC and Seraphon work, but I don't think everything would be compatible.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Out of curiosity, have they mentioned anything about models sculpted for age of sigmar, but that originiated from warhammer fantasy?

For example, we have some amazing new warriors of chaos. Unless they have some stormcast eternal or other AOS faction trophies attached to them, they'd fit right into WF. However, since they're on round bases, they have wider poses and I'm not sure there's a square base size thats bigger than 25mm that would accommodate them. So would they just re-release the older kit specifically for fantasy? Or make even more chaos warriors

Same with seraphon, and some of the soulblight. The direwolves and skeletons presumably make work on square bases, but the vampire lords are all massive.

That sort of ties back in the issues with scale creep, since they said WHF models will be in the same scale that they used to be in. Large WoC and Seraphon work, but I don't think everything would be compatible.

GW has not addressed this point specifically, but they have stated that alongside the mass change of 20mm -> 25mm that many units will have increased base sizes, including Warriors of Chaos infantry going to 30mm I believe. And larger cavalry base sizes for many models. So this doesn't 100% confirm but does support that the new AoS model ranges for classic WHFB factions will at least be compatible if not directly supported in the Old World.

On Feait212 there is a roumor, that Battle for the Skull Pass and Island of Blood, will get reprint.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2023/04/old-world-rumors-battle-for-skull-pass.html?m=1

 herjan1987 wrote:
On Feait212 there is a roumor, that Battle for the Skull Pass and Island of Blood, will get reprint.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2023/04/old-world-rumors-battle-for-skull-pass.html?m=1

Yeah, but it's a rumour on faeit.

which is the same as a rumour on reddit or facebook
or the endless youtube videos with clickbait titles

 kodos wrote:
which is the same as a rumour on reddit or facebook
or the endless youtube videos with clickbait titles

Not really - Faeit has, at this point, a history of years and years of posting any old thing and being more often wrong than right, with long stretches of time where absolutely nothing they post has any relation to reality. There are other rumourmongers with proven track records of getting things right down to small details, even if they often present their stuff in grating and self-aggrandizing ways.

fait is just a platform were everything that is a rumour is posted as it would be on reddit or facebook

the difference is always the source of the rumour, which fait usually does not share, which is similar to a throwaway on reddit or unknown people on facebook

 kodos wrote:
which is the same as a rumour on reddit or facebook
or the endless youtube videos with clickbait titles

Not really. There's difference to rumour source with proven track record of high accuracy and site that copies anything from everywhere and if quiet on copy front come up with bogus ones to raise ad profits.


Ducy?

I don't see why there's so much contention. It's a pretty obvious and easy thing for them to shove back into production for some easy money.