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 Just Tony wrote:
My issue is that it takes a HUGE number of purchases of that set to get multiple 20 man Swordmaster units. Eltharion's rules in 6th eliminated the 0-1 which was carried over to the later army books, and there wasn't a good way to get multiple units.

Ebay was awash with all of the units from Island Of Blood, for very good prices.

So yeah, there was a cheap, easy way to get plenty of Swordmaster units. I remember them being way cheaper than an equivalent unit that you would buy from GW (less than half price IIRC), which made up for the lack of options.

I saw this on facebook on the other day:



This project is just getting bigger and bigger, if its true.

Retail staff at WHW know as much as we usually do, which is practically nil. I wouldn't put stock in it until something more substantial appears...

Yeah, the staffers at Lenton may have a bit more of an inkling just from hearing things in passing but I wouldn't put too much stock in it just yet. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised if there's plans for Chaos Dwarfs. It's not directly applicable but their introduction in Total War has seemingly gone down very well, (big hats and all) and we know the CA team have been working, to an extent, in tangent with GW. Obviously how much of that translates over to the tabletop is questionable but it's at least demonstrative that there's an appetite for the faction in general.

I know age of sigmar started to tease chaos dwarfs with the release of the new edition. Before that, warcry featured a few stand alone chaos dwarfs. I wonder if the end of FW chorfs is due to that rather than TOW

 Alpharius wrote:
Chaos Dwarves would be incredibly awesome to have here and would also be the only thing that would get me interested again in AoS too.

Same. My old signature line for years was I would play WHFB when GW brings back Charlie Dwarves.

I doubt Warhammer World store staff get informed about upcoming products that are potentially months away from even being announced let alone released, really.

Maybe he just meant their involvement in the setting itself? Chaos Dwarves are barely even a part of AoS, aren't they?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I doubt Warhammer World store staff get informed about upcoming products that are potentially months away from even being announced let alone released, really.

Maybe he just meant their involvement in the setting itself? Chaos Dwarves are barely even a part of AoS, aren't they?

GW have been teasing the arrival of Chaos Dwarves pretty hard in 3rd edition. They be a playable army sooner rather than later.

CD have probably had a harder push in AoS than in fantasy for years. Horns of Hashut being a specific vanguard unit being created for Warcry and constantly being teased on the edge of appearing in full force.

Dang I'm hoping for a Chaos Dwarf Old World release especially since they are 1 of my 7 Old World armies...Combining dwarven ingenuity and engineering skill with sorcery and dark magic really pleases me for some reason lol. Glory to HASHUT!!!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
CD have probably had a harder push in AoS than in fantasy for years. Horns of Hashut being a specific vanguard unit being created for Warcry and constantly being teased on the edge of appearing in full force.

There is still the question of why anyone in the Studio thought it was a good idea to have a warband whose name references Hashut not involve any actual Chaos Dwarfs, though.

Because fluff wise, they're meant to be throw away chaff troops used to take some of the brunt of what they're sent against. And not spending dwarf lives in doing so

Chaos dwarfs strikes me as another skaven type faction, with so many options it is almost an alliance of its own. You can build it many ways Slave hordes, magic heavy, artillery, cavalry, big boy units like siege giants etc.

Hope they keep the top hats for at least one unit, like the flashyness of the greatswords.

 triplegrim wrote:
Chaos dwarfs strikes me as another skaven type faction, with so many options it is almost an alliance of its own. You can build it many ways Slave hordes, magic heavy, artillery, cavalry, big boy units like siege giants etc.

Hope they keep the top hats for at least one unit, like the flashyness of the greatswords.

Well they could to what CA did with the Chaos Dwarfs. Give the core untis big hats and give the Azgorh style to more elite units.

To be fair you look at a lot of AoS "armies" and a good many are just 1 Old World faction fragmented and then steadily added too.

Heck Death Grand Alliance is basically all the old Vampire models just split into themes. Ghouls in one; ghosts expanded in another; vampires in a core. Even Ossiarchs have a few Vampire models.

I don't see what that has to do with anything?

Its really amazing how people can be nostalgic about chaos dwarfs in an old world thread.

-The army was really bad with just a handfull of options, and so they had to copensate with overpowered magic and monsters.

-The models looked horrible, even by those days standard. Lazy and silly sculpting.

 Fayric wrote:
Its really amazing how people can be nostalgic about chaos dwarfs in an old world thread.

-The army was really bad with just a handfull of options, and so they had to copensate with overpowered magic and monsters.

-The models looked horrible, even by those days standard. Lazy and silly sculpting.

That's true, but the army was also the most difficult to collect after 5th edition and thus had their players and collectors highly invested in their collection - especially before internet use was widespread, some rare models had an almost mythical quality to them, with some people even doubting that they were real...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
My issue is that it takes a HUGE number of purchases of that set to get multiple 20 man Swordmaster units. Eltharion's rules in 6th eliminated the 0-1 which was carried over to the later army books, and there wasn't a good way to get multiple units.

Ebay was awash with all of the units from Island Of Blood, for very good prices.

So yeah, there was a cheap, easy way to get plenty of Swordmaster units. I remember them being way cheaper than an equivalent unit that you would buy from GW (less than half price IIRC), which made up for the lack of options.

You and I have drastically different concepts for "very good prices"...

 Just Tony wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
My issue is that it takes a HUGE number of purchases of that set to get multiple 20 man Swordmaster units. Eltharion's rules in 6th eliminated the 0-1 which was carried over to the later army books, and there wasn't a good way to get multiple units.

Ebay was awash with all of the units from Island Of Blood, for very good prices.

So yeah, there was a cheap, easy way to get plenty of Swordmaster units. I remember them being way cheaper than an equivalent unit that you would buy from GW (less than half price IIRC), which made up for the lack of options.

You and I have drastically different concepts for "very good prices"...

Depend when you were looking really. There was a golden time when it was pretty good prices on it. Today the prices are likely stupidly high since everything went out of production

 Just Tony wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
My issue is that it takes a HUGE number of purchases of that set to get multiple 20 man Swordmaster units. Eltharion's rules in 6th eliminated the 0-1 which was carried over to the later army books, and there wasn't a good way to get multiple units.

Ebay was awash with all of the units from Island Of Blood, for very good prices.

So yeah, there was a cheap, easy way to get plenty of Swordmaster units. I remember them being way cheaper than an equivalent unit that you would buy from GW (less than half price IIRC), which made up for the lack of options.

You and I have drastically different concepts for "very good prices"...

I see £8 -£10 for a unit of Swordmasters (that was the price while IOB was in print), new on sprues, as a very good price. If you don't, then that's on you, not me.

 Overread wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
My issue is that it takes a HUGE number of purchases of that set to get multiple 20 man Swordmaster units. Eltharion's rules in 6th eliminated the 0-1 which was carried over to the later army books, and there wasn't a good way to get multiple units.

Ebay was awash with all of the units from Island Of Blood, for very good prices.

So yeah, there was a cheap, easy way to get plenty of Swordmaster units. I remember them being way cheaper than an equivalent unit that you would buy from GW (less than half price IIRC), which made up for the lack of options.

You and I have drastically different concepts for "very good prices"...

Depend when you were looking really. There was a golden time when it was pretty good prices on it. Today the prices are likely stupidly high since everything went out of production

Looking back through my CC spending logs - I got the entire set, new in box for $67.50 (USD) in 2014. Can you imagine ever getting a box that cheap with that many minis from GW? I recently did a search on Ebay to try to find the 6(!) Space Marines from the getting started set because I thought it would be fun to just paint a few Space Marines, I couldn't find any listings that were significantly cheaper than just buying the whole set from MM or someone. Good Ebay deals even on current stuff seems to be a thing of the past.

Yeah ebay prices are just nuts.

Why I would pay 60£ for something I can get for 60£ from GW and get MORE stuff as well? That's what some ebay sellers think people do.

Then again...There's always guillible ones.

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah ebay prices are just nuts.

Why I would pay 60£ for something I can get for 60£ from GW and get MORE stuff as well? That's what some ebay sellers think people do.

Then again...There's always guillible ones.

There's probably an edge case involving currency exchange rates for at least some people considering that GW usually finds their conversion rates in the dross of an opium pipe

Don't forget as well with current absurd inflation and misery (certainly here in the UK) people trying to sell on ebay are wanting more money for their items while conversely you as the buyer are wanting to buy for less.

Also, I don't remember it ever being 8-10 quid for a unit of Swordmasters, it was maybe 7 quid for a blister pack of 3.

 Olthannon wrote:
Don't forget as well with current absurd inflation and misery (certainly here in the UK) people trying to sell on ebay are wanting more money for their items while conversely you as the buyer are wanting to buy for less.

Also, I don't remember it ever being 8-10 quid for a unit of Swordmasters, it was maybe 7 quid for a blister pack of 3.

I was talking about prices on ebay, back when it was flooded with people re-selling the contents of the currently in production Island Of Blood.

Obviously the prices are very different now.

Time to get back on topic now.

Hopefully new Chaos Dwarfs will, stylistically, borrow from the old WHFB and old FW ones.

I prefer the FW infantry (if not their price!), as the silly hats were gone. But, I found their artillery, with the application of modern hindsight, too AoS to pass for WHFB. They just stood out too much. Like someone was using (pretty!) proxy models.

The original WHFB artillery definitely shows its age, as the models were pretty plain.

Hence a mashup.

 herjan1987 wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
Chaos dwarfs strikes me as another skaven type faction, with so many options it is almost an alliance of its own. You can build it many ways Slave hordes, magic heavy, artillery, cavalry, big boy units like siege giants etc.

Hope they keep the top hats for at least one unit, like the flashyness of the greatswords.

Well they could to what CA did with the Chaos Dwarfs. Give the core untis big hats and give the Azgorh style to more elite units.

I hope that what they do. I just wonder if there is too many taboo topics in the Hobogoblins and Greenskin units in today's world.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hopefully new Chaos Dwarfs will, stylistically, borrow from the old WHFB and old FW ones.

We don't have any information about when or even if these will be redone. Last time, they were a Forge World resin release.