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 ingtaer wrote:
Yeah, get back to TOW N&R now.

Maybe we just need to lock this thread between GW announcements, to keep it on subject.

No, posters need to practice some fething restraint.



I'm wondering what size the launch boxes will be. I don't think they can get away with the "16 models per box" thing they got going on right now, not for a mass fantasy battle system.

If we got one on release, which I doubt, it will likely be what we have seen, 2 infantry units, 1-2 cavalry units per side and the resin heroes.

 kodos wrote:
If we got one on release, which I doubt, it will likely be what we have seen, 2 infantry units, 1-2 cavalry units per side and the resin heroes.

I can't see there being anything resin inside the box, it will be all plastic, surely?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If we got one on release, which I doubt, it will likely be what we have seen, 2 infantry units, 1-2 cavalry units per side and the resin heroes.

I can't see there being anything resin inside the box, it will be all plastic, surely?

They already said that there won't be a 'Launch box' or 'Starter box', then backpedaled a bit and said that there will be some sort of 'start collecting' boxes or army boxes. It's not unreasonable that these won't be on the shelves at all, instead being effectively just bundle deals, and they could do them in any mix of materials they like.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If we got one on release, which I doubt, it will likely be what we have seen, 2 infantry units, 1-2 cavalry units per side and the resin heroes.

I can't see there being anything resin inside the box, it will be all plastic, surely?

They already said that there won't be a 'Launch box' or 'Starter box', then backpedaled a bit and said that there will be some sort of 'start collecting' boxes or army boxes. It's not unreasonable that these won't be on the shelves at all, instead being effectively just bundle deals, and they could do them in any mix of materials they like.

That's not quite what they said, either. They said there won't be a "starter box" because they've got their own definition of what that means - something with a board, "get started" book etc. It won't be getting a "starter" set like Horus Heresy didn't, but that still got the "Age of Darkness" launch box.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If we got one on release, which I doubt, it will likely be what we have seen, 2 infantry units, 1-2 cavalry units per side and the resin heroes.

I can't see there being anything resin inside the box, it will be all plastic, surely?

They already said that there won't be a 'Launch box' or 'Starter box', then backpedaled a bit and said that there will be some sort of 'start collecting' boxes or army boxes. It's not unreasonable that these won't be on the shelves at all, instead being effectively just bundle deals, and they could do them in any mix of materials they like.

Sure, they could do, but knowing GW anything included in these bundles will be plastic as they have bigger profit margins.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If we got one on release, which I doubt, it will likely be what we have seen, 2 infantry units, 1-2 cavalry units per side and the resin heroes.

I can't see there being anything resin inside the box, it will be all plastic, surely?

They already said that there won't be a 'Launch box' or 'Starter box', then backpedaled a bit and said that there will be some sort of 'start collecting' boxes or army boxes. It's not unreasonable that these won't be on the shelves at all, instead being effectively just bundle deals, and they could do them in any mix of materials they like.

That's not quite what they said, either. They said there won't be a "starter box" because they've got their own definition of what that means - something with a board, "get started" book etc. It won't be getting a "starter" set like Horus Heresy didn't, but that still got the "Age of Darkness" launch box.

Thanks for the correction (i mean it, it is not exactly easy to keep your head straight with their muddled and at times contradictory communication) - it seems a bit like they themselves are not entirely sure what form the release will take, or (and that possibility should not be discarded lightly) the Q&A presenters have not been provided that information at that level of detail and were mistaken themselves, and later needed to correct what they said.

 Paymaster Games wrote:

I am sure that a Ravaging Hoards incoming, but i do think that it will be released online like the 40K 10 Edition get you by lists.

That's what I thought before the previews on Warhammer Fest. Now I wonder if it will not be restrained to a specific set of factions tied to the Old World in a first phase, then they'll gradually release more lists later like they did with Horus Heresy. And I'm not sure it will be available online for "free" in that case.

They did say everything from Battle V8 will be playable, just not "when"...

as they said there won't be a starter/launch ox for beginners, adding the resin heroes is not a problem is it is not the same target group as a pure plastic box
and I see this is going the be more like a pre-order bundle with the regular products, which are the resin heroes and whatever is going to be released

 kodos wrote:
as they said there won't be a starter/launch ox for beginners, adding the resin heroes is not a problem is it is not the same target group as a pure plastic box
and I see this is going the be more like a pre-order bundle with the regular products, which are the resin heroes and whatever is going to be released

When have they done a launch box that included resin miniatures before?

To my knowledge, never?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
To my knowledge, never?

Exactly. I don't see them suddenly doing that here when they haven't before.

I wouldnt bet on Ravening Hordes at start. More likely they will release rules over 1-2 years for all armies one by one.

The same was done with Necromunda. After release it took them 1 year to release all 6 main gangs. For Horus Heresy 1 year after release Daemons will get their own rules. They just released pdf with rules for Militia.

So dont bet on all rules at the start.

Glumy wrote:
I wouldnt bet on Ravening Hordes at start. More likely they will release rules over 1-2 years for all armies one by one.

The same was done with Necromunda. After release it took them 1 year to release all 6 main gangs. For Horus Heresy 1 year after release Daemons will get their own rules. They just released pdf with rules for Militia.

So dont bet on all rules at the start.

With Necromunda at launch, they sold the Gangs of the Underhive book, which was basic rules for all 6 main gangs. They don't sell it any more, but I've still got my copy. Also a Gangs of Legend pdf for free with even more basic-er stats.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
To my knowledge, never?

Exactly. I don't see them suddenly doing that here when they haven't before.

I remember oce upon a time they did a huge "Khorne Daemonkin Warband" box that included the short lived finecast Bloodletter Herald (a really cool model exept for the casting material -you need to glue a coin to the base to prevent him from falling though )
Otherwise, I dont think they done any boxes with resin characters.

Way back in the old days of 6th there would be limited edition metals in army boxes. Resin / Finecast wasn't an option as they weren't using it back then.

Finecast has been sold in army boxes before- early on in AoS release we had battleforces that contained finecast models.

I don't expect to see that done for the old world though, new resin models are going to be a money spinner for GW as even people with old armies/model backlog stashes the size of mountain might still buy new models. I doubt we will see them 'discounted' in the first releases (if at all).

the one thing that is unique is that GW said they are not bring anything that is meant to be sold to new players

boxes with other materials than plastic, as well as bundles without savings have been there before

and I don't expect that there will be a set with big savings as this is not meant for new players to get into the game but for those who would have bought it anyway

I don’t recall them saying that?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I don’t recall them saying that?

It's stuff from the Q&A sessions, they said something in the vein of "TOW is unlikely to be your first wargame".

Those…aren’t the same thing?

I guess the city of sigmar new kits will also be usable in TOW.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Those…aren’t the same thing?

I am not claiming they are. What i said was intended as a statement of fact: they said this. No more, no less. Anything about boxes is pure speculation at this point.

Was meaning Kodos’ interpretation.

They set there won't be a "normal" Starter because this is not for beginners

Now people say there won't be resin models in a maybe coming starter because GW starters only contains plastic models

We have no guarantee that there even will be a starter/launch box and not just a 1 click bundle
combined with a limited edition rulebook

I can almost guarantee GW expect to reach new gamers with this.
Perhaps GW cares not who buys their boxes as long as they sell, but the project would never have been approved by HQ if they had not shown calculations saying they will reach x new costumers (perhaps aim at Total War players that realised the actual physical game didnt exist any more).
I bet they have precise goals how many new players they must reach each yearly quarter or someone gets fired. Thats how you run a company.

It may be best to think of this like how HH 1.0 was rolled out, but with more plastic support from the start.

 Fayric wrote:
Perhaps GW cares not who buys their boxes as long as they sell, but the project would never have been approved by HQ if they had not shown calculations saying they will reach x new costumers (perhaps aim at Total War players that realised the actual physical game didnt exist any more).

The LARP tie-in is the thing that's designed to reach new costumers. You'd hope TOW might interest some new customers, though.

 Fayric wrote:
I bet they have precise goals how many new players they must reach each yearly quarter or someone gets fired. Thats how you run a company.

In your dystopian land of no employee protections, maybe - takes a bit more than one bad quarter to fire someone over here, fortunately.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
I bet they have precise goals how many new players they must reach each yearly quarter or someone gets fired. Thats how you run a company.

In your dystopian land of no employee protections, maybe - takes a bit more than one bad quarter to fire someone over here, fortunately.

Yeah, sorry, I got a bit carried away there. I still assume they have precise goals how many new customers they expect to reach.
(By the way, you made me notice my flag is not correct, Im way closer than you think.)