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At least this time, they were clear about the content of The Old World preview : just one miniature.

Better copy this over so there is a picture reference on thread. There's something off about the torso/head proportions at least at this angle.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/01/warhammer-preview-a-new-bretonnian-miniature-flies-the-colours-of-the-duke/

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does it look like he's missing half his torso?

He's wearing bot a normal belt and some sort of band around his upper chest, maybe you mistake the band (white-gold) for the belt (brown)?

I wanted to see new plastics for Brets, and got one resin mini. I totally forgot about what hope really is

The helmet and collar make it look like he has no neck and the torso looks small.

I mean yeah, it's a Brettonian, nothing exciting to be seen here.

Well, again a model that's really nice and I love the colour scheme (this knight is a a fan of Rennes FC maybe?) but I'm not interested in resin minis at GW's price range if Necromuna is an indicator to go by.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does it look like he's missing half his torso?

He's wearing bot a normal belt and some sort of band around his upper chest, maybe you mistake the band (white-gold) for the belt (brown)?

No, i can see where his belt is. It looks like his head has collapsed into his chest.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does it look like he's missing half his torso?

He's wearing bot a normal belt and some sort of band around his upper chest, maybe you mistake the band (white-gold) for the belt (brown)?

Nah, judging by the knee position, his pelvis sits just below his stomach.

Not too exciting tbh. I'd argue that the Pestilence warband is a bigger reveal for ToW.

Scrub wrote:
Well, again a model that's really nice and I love the colour scheme (this knight is a a fan of Rennes FC maybe?) but I'm not interested in resin minis at GW's price range if Necromunda is an indicator to go by.

100%.

They are really doubling down on blandness.

Hey its an exciting release of a renowned setting, the one where we have Vampire pirates, "Chinese" Dragons, Bear riding Ice Witches - none of which have ever had offical models (but we have been working hard on in Total War to create the lore, models etc ) ....and here to generate interest in old and new players is:

A quite nicely painted resin Knight that will likely be £40+

Lets kill the game before it even comes out...sheesh

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does it look like he's missing half his torso?

He's wearing bot a normal belt and some sort of band around his upper chest, maybe you mistake the band (white-gold) for the belt (brown)?

No, i can see where his belt is. It looks like his head has collapsed into his chest.

He has Oldhammer proportions.

How does the resin standard bearer look worse than the metal one from decades ago?

I like the historical look of the model. I really do. The chainmail on the barding is sexy too, his weapon and the collar is something new too.

I like how the most fantastical element is his phoenix on the helmet.

Not crazy about his red and black scheme, but they straight up said it is to make regular painters believe they can manage to paint bretonnia units.

I like it. 4/4 stars from me, although note that I am no badass modelist, more of a casual player.

That said. There will be no game released this fall. I say 2025 earliest. Which is mysterious to me. Why cant they just blood release it.




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 Lord Damocles wrote:
How does the resin standard bearer look worse than the metal one from decades ago?

Tell me why you think so, I am genuinly curious. (I have the model I think you are talking about), and I thought it was stiff, clunky, chunky, boxy, and the metal flag would never stay with the undersized pole.

That said, I honestly believe GW designers noticed the reaction to the bear riding bear guard of the bear Tzarina, and the ice-bow archers concept art, and is releasing the more mundane model photos now. Brets are even painted in a fairly boring scheme. I think there might be a connection between fan reaction and GW marketing choice for once, especially since they for once had time to react as well.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does it look like he's missing half his torso?

He's wearing bot a normal belt and some sort of band around his upper chest, maybe you mistake the band (white-gold) for the belt (brown)?

No, i can see where his belt is. It looks like his head has collapsed into his chest.

He has Oldhammer proportions.

He's not even five heads tall, discounting the crown and the helmet decorations completely. Normal-ish to 'heroic' proportions would be around 7 heads.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Why does it look like he's missing half his torso?

He's wearing bot a normal belt and some sort of band around his upper chest, maybe you mistake the band (white-gold) for the belt (brown)?

No, i can see where his belt is. It looks like his head has collapsed into his chest.

He has Oldhammer proportions.

Which are horrible and should have been updated.

Tsagualsa wrote:
He's not even five heads tall, discounting the crown and the helmet decorations completely. Normal-ish to 'heroic' proportions would be around 7 heads.

I presume his chin to be at the cross-point of the lower gold design, not at the very base of the helm.

Yeah, he could definitely use another layer of waist. Depending on the assembly, this might be fairly easy to accomplish. Still a bummer that it's necessary in the first place. The foot paladin looked better in terms of proportions.

To me it looks like someone stuck one of the dinky push-fit Bretonnians onto the multi part kit’s monstro-horse.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
He's not even five heads tall, discounting the crown and the helmet decorations completely. Normal-ish to 'heroic' proportions would be around 7 heads.

I presume his chin to be at the cross-point of the lower gold design, not at the very base of the helm.

You sure? You know what these Bretonnian dynasties are up to, right?

It somehow gets worse with every preview

first of all, we got new base sizes because this will make it easier to handle Rank & File Formations with the models as the bases became too small for their design and it was hard to rank them up
and the 3rd new model shown which was explicit designed for TOW R&F gets a horse that fills up the new base size instead if being the same size as the old horses
but at least the horse gets a tactical rock, so we know at least that this was using a basic design from the database instead of making one from scratch

and this leads to the other problem, model scale and horses as this new heroe does not really fit next to the older plastic ones and this is also the reason why the hero itself looks off as his proportions do not fit the horse the sits on at all

PS:
horse size is a tricky one as during medieval times horses were rather short (1,40-1,60 meter) making the older models much better in scale with infantry than the newer ones
with early modern times new breeds came up and horses became taller, which also gave a difference in cavalry as the heavy (shock) cavalry used the taller horses and the light cavalry the smaller ones
Empire, which is more or less a copy of the military from early modern times, would have the larger horses for heavy cavalry, smaller ones for light cavalry, yet it is the other way around with the models as the heavy cavalry got the smaller horses, and Bretonnia should have horses of similar size or smaller than the light cavalry of the Empire and not larger ones

Lore wise Bretonnian warhorses have bloodlines that relate them to elven steeds and so are superior to other human bred horses.

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bretonnian_Warhorse

 Shakalooloo wrote:
He has Oldhammer proportions.

Maybe, but the horse sure doesn't. Right now, if that guy somehow managed to get off his horse without breaking his neck, he would have the stirrup at eye level.

What an exciting day of new stuff! Epic 30K and this Bretonnian halfling are the highlights for me.

I also dread the warping that will likely be going on with that banner pole and flail.

I have an old citadel halberdier with the same weird leather neck bib somewhere around here. I'm still in a "wait and see" mode with the old world but I hope they reveal some plastic stuffs down the line.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
He's not even five heads tall, discounting the crown and the helmet decorations completely. Normal-ish to 'heroic' proportions would be around 7 heads.

I presume his chin to be at the cross-point of the lower gold design, not at the very base of the helm.

They don't call him Chinny McBigHead for nothing! I don't see anything particularly off about the proportions for a GW mini, or more accurately, I don't see anyone with clear proof the proportions are off from a single picture that would fly anywhere but on dakkadakka . He definitely has a more historical mini pose though, hunched forward. I'll really have to wait and see if there is a worthwhile audience of people waiting for these boutique Old World minis for an army scale game. I sure wouldn't assume there was.

Since these will all be digital now any weird proportions will likely be shared by all the Bretonians (unless this one is actually a hunchback or similar)

so it's probably a combination of an unflattering angle, extra large helm and (oldhammer proportions ?) that's making him look a bit odd

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Since these will all be digital now any weird proportions will likely be shared by all the Bretonians (unless this one is actually a hunchback or similar)

so it's probably a combination of an unflattering angle, extra large helm and (oldhammer proportions ?) that's making him look a bit odd

The video where they do a slight pan around the model makes it look a bit like he was hunched towards the side with the flail, like he was putting effort into raising the standard extra-high and slouching down an bit on the other side as a consequence. If that's the case the angle might be mostly to blame.

He does reach up with the banner arm, but that doesn't change the fact he's missing about a mm of torso and maybe another mm of neck. And you can't even blame oldhammer scaling on that, when Green Knight exists.