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 KidCthulhu wrote:
Hopefully this means they're really pushing plastic foot knights when the army releases.

We will get a single plastic hero for each army (upon that armies release), twenty year old plastic, resin and metal kits that didn't look great when they were new and the rest will be resin.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Hopefully this means they're really pushing plastic foot knights when the army releases.

It's resin.

Yes, this BSB model is resin, but we saw renders of Foot Knight parts long ago. It makes more sense to but a Foot Knight BSB in a Foot Knight unit than a Men-At-Arms unit. That's what I was getting at.

 KidCthulhu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Hopefully this means they're really pushing plastic foot knights when the army releases.

It's resin.

Yes, this BSB model is resin, but we saw renders of Foot Knight parts long ago. It makes more sense to but a Foot Knight BSB in a Foot Knight unit than a Men-At-Arms unit. That's what I was getting at.

Do renders automatically mean plastics? The resin masters would also have been designed digitally right? (Unless of course they confirmed those parts to be plastic back then)

Okay, that's fair. I was going to say I've never seen fully modular resin FW Fantasy infantry, but that doesn't mean they haven't done that before. I just remembered FW Chaos Dwarves were a thing.

Also, to further show my age & ignorance, I assumed FW infantry-sized models were still sculpted by hand.

 KidCthulhu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Hopefully this means they're really pushing plastic foot knights when the army releases.

It's resin.

Yes, this BSB model is resin, but we saw renders of Foot Knight parts long ago. It makes more sense to but a Foot Knight BSB in a Foot Knight unit than a Men-At-Arms unit. That's what I was getting at.

Should note that amidst those renders shown, the 3 helmets that were all believed to be for the plastic foot knights have subsequently been confirmed to be for the 3 resin characters now revealed so nothing is definite.

That said; I'd be surprised if those sword arms weren't for a Foot Knight unit and if they're not plastic then that's just disappointing all round.

Hmm, it just occurred to me that with the model reveals so heavily slanted towards Bretonnia, the whole thing feels more like they're showing off a new army book instead of an entire game. Of course the army got neglected before GW exploded the setting and they deserve every new model they get. It does feel kind of weird, though, and maybe another candidate for the long list of issues with GW's marketing campaign for The Old World.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Let me rephrase that; I've never seen a post 2000's hero-choice mount in plastic that didn't come with a plastic rider. I wasn't talking about cavalry, which has had generic plastic mounts for metal riders since time immemorial.

That's fair.

Well we have a Knight

Although could be a good conversion base for Sisters standard as well

That's a beautiful model, particularly the robes. Which gives me very high hopes for the High Elf minis that I will inevitably buy..

Never been a superfan of the enormously thick banner style. Like seriously that’s five inches of felt or quilted linen or something. Dude doesn’t need armour; he can just hide behind the flag. Which probably weighs more than him, now I think about it.

That's essentially the mounted standard bearer, except dismounted. Strangely, he looks significantly better on foot as far as proportions are concerned, so maybe the mounted version is simply let down by the photos.

What is he carrying on his back? I thought it was a shield first, but he carries the shield at the hip.

The fact they are showing off a new model today should mean they have a slightly meatier reveal this time round, but the more they finally reveal the weirder this release is becoming.

It all feels very cobbled together out of 8th ed scraps, and not really what I'd expect from a company leading the fantasy wargames industry. Still, I welcome the chance to buy cheap(ish) tomb kings again and the resin models should be easily picked up 2nd hand a few months later once all the FOMO calms down.


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 Fayric wrote:
What is he carrying on his back? I thought it was a shield first, but he carries the shield at the hip.

I thought it was a book at first, but that pointed top is a little bit like the old grail/relic backpacks some of the questing knights had.

Lets not forget 8th-edition "scraps" is what would have created 9th edition Old World anyway before GW Blew everything up.


A good few armies at the end of Old World had some pretty modern models in their roster. Models that more than stand up today and heck a good number of them are right in Age of Sigmar right now.

So GW can certainly bring back al ot of models. Plus I bet you a good many of the good ones would be models people who are fans of Old World, will want. Tomb Kings might have some dodgy old Skeletons that need an update, but things like the skeletons riding snake constructs and such were pretty new and are more than capable of standing up to modern standards of sculpting.


As this is a big nostalgia release too it makes even more sense to include.


The only real issue is that its been a very drawn out release and we, as customers, are not used to that from GW. We are used to seeing X and getting it within 3 or 6 months and that's it. Waiting years whilst getting official news isn't normal GW operation for us nor GW.

Sure we get a few things - eg Necromunda has abunch of specialist models in rulebooks nad such that aren't yet released as models - we are used to that "unknown" stuff side of things; but a known release years in the making is new. So the news does feel odd.

I don't think its as well managed as the Sisters of Battle rework which also had a long lead in.

I was hoping and expecting them to go Kislev and Cathay much earlier as they had gone to the trouble of creating an 8th ed Cathay army book for Total War and its something none of us older gamers had.

Cathay and the Tomb Kings (well Nehekhara specfically Lahmia) have trading history so maybe they can work them in that way

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Never been a superfan of the enormously thick banner style. Like seriously that’s five inches of felt or quilted linen or something. Dude doesn’t need armour; he can just hide behind the flag. Which probably weighs more than him, now I think about it.

I dunno if that even the intention. Forgeworld has a habit of making cloaks and tabbards super thick

It's likely to improve durability and reliability during printing, production, shipping and playing.

It would be really.... ironic? incredible? I don't know what the word is... if the renders and resulting minis they previewed were leftovers from before they cut WHFB and replaced it with AoS. Just half-finished sculpts sitting in a folder somewhere for the past 10 years that they trotted out as something to show and then finished up as a low budget release. Would explain why the scaling is off/they've reverted back to old school heroic scaling even whileall their other mini ranges are nu-scale.

chaos0xomega wrote:
It would be really.... ironic? incredible? I don't know what the word is... if the renders and resulting minis they previewed were leftovers from before they cut WHFB and replaced it with AoS. Just half-finished sculpts sitting in a folder somewhere for the past 10 years that they trotted out as something to show and then finished up as a low budget release. Would explain why the scaling is off/they've reverted back to old school heroic scaling even whileall their other mini ranges are nu-scale.

Considering how many designs Spartan Games came up with that never saw the light of day and they were the work of one to a handful of designers - I'm pretty sure GW has box after box of hard-drives and papers of concept art that never sees the light of day. I'm very sure many of the bits of material could well have been from before Old World was destroyed. They had 30+years working in that setting as a big firm that keeps a lot of material in-house. They will have had masses to draw from.

What is likely is some got reworked - eg take how GW does mounts today compared to back 10 or 20 years ago. The same concept art might have been reworked to have a smaller mount in the old say; but today they can do a bigger mount. So there might well be ideas that started for one style and have been evolved for another.

I wouldn't consider that low-investment; just the result of a big mature firm with a lot of assets.





As for the SoB release being better, it had multiple advantages
1) It was just an army update. Big but its within the scope of what GW has done many times before. The outstanding part was that SoB had gone for so long without an update, but otherwise it was pretty much a normal thing for GW doubled up to cover the whole army.

2) It didn't have a pandemic and artificial market boost and global shipping issues and a war. All those things have likely taken their toll on Old World's development in various ways. It might well be that GW was going to resculpt everything and then a few things change and suddenly they will resculpt half of it and keep the more modern designs. etc...

3) GW isn't yet in the home-run to marketing it for release and its clear that there's various things messing up their release windows anyway. So it could well be that the spotty marketing we are getting is because we've had a new edition; hicckups in their warehouse system; delays on the Epic relaunch etc.... All things that might well have pushed a release take outside of elements internal to that project in itself.

 Overread wrote:
It's likely to improve durability and reliability during printing, production, shipping and playing.

Oh yeah, I know. Doesn’t stop it looking goofy though.

Hey, remember when they gave you printed templates in the army book and the standard bearer came with just a stick?

chaos0xomega wrote:
It would be really.... ironic? incredible? I don't know what the word is... if the renders and resulting minis they previewed were leftovers from before they cut WHFB and replaced it with AoS. Just half-finished sculpts sitting in a folder somewhere for the past 10 years that they trotted out as something to show and then finished up as a low budget release. Would explain why the scaling is off/they've reverted back to old school heroic scaling even whileall their other mini ranges are nu-scale.

as far as I recall the last rumours from Hastings for 9th Edition (before he rage quit because of AoS which he knew nothing about), he claimed to have seen new Bretonnian models ready for release

might as well just be those he have seen and perfectly fits on the minimum work we have seen by now GW put into it
as there is no good reason why Bretonnia is there when the hole story arc that was presented is without them

There was a rumor about, that some of those new Resin Breton Miniatures had to been designed for a 10th Edition Bretonia Armybook which never happened. DId someone heared more?

RazorEdge wrote:
There was a rumor about, that some of those new Resin Breton Miniatures had to been designed for a 10th Edition Bretonia Armybook which never happened. DId someone heared more?

If I recall there was plastic 10 men vampire kit aswell, along with a Questing knight on foot clampack aswell. Can anyone confirm this aswell.

 Geifer wrote:
Hmm, it just occurred to me that with the model reveals so heavily slanted towards Bretonnia, the whole thing feels more like they're showing off a new army book instead of an entire game. Of course the army got neglected before GW exploded the setting and they deserve every new model they get. It does feel kind of weird, though, and maybe another candidate for the long list of issues with GW's marketing campaign for The Old World.

I agree and I say this as someone who loves Bretonnia and collects them as a main army.

It is really weird to lean so hard into them for the reboot. I absolutely love Bretonnia, but unless the new edition changes a lot, Bretonnia is not a flexable army. To grow new players and retain current ones GW should be leaning into High Elves, Empire, and Greenskins - armies that were always popular and can be played in several different ways.

Its also likely the most generic army and hardest to copyright so very un-GW

but the only one next to Khemri that did made it to AoS, so whatever ever happens to TOW, GW can always port them over to AoS without replacing something there

something that hardly works with Empires, Elves or Dwarfs

chaos0xomega wrote:
It would be really.... ironic? incredible? I don't know what the word is... if the renders and resulting minis they previewed were leftovers from before they cut WHFB and replaced it with AoS. Just half-finished sculpts sitting in a folder somewhere for the past 10 years that they trotted out as something to show and then finished up as a low budget release. Would explain why the scaling is off/they've reverted back to old school heroic scaling even whileall their other mini ranges are nu-scale.

I don't see the scale thing as indicative of much. When part of the point of this is to bring back some of those beloved miniatures in a way where they aren't just temporary leftovers like they are in AoS, having them all in the same scale seems best.

Grail Seeker wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Hmm, it just occurred to me that with the model reveals so heavily slanted towards Bretonnia, the whole thing feels more like they're showing off a new army book instead of an entire game. Of course the army got neglected before GW exploded the setting and they deserve every new model they get. It does feel kind of weird, though, and maybe another candidate for the long list of issues with GW's marketing campaign for The Old World.

I agree and I say this as someone who loves Bretonnia and collects them as a main army.

It is really weird to lean so hard into them for the reboot. I absolutely love Bretonnia, but unless the new edition changes a lot, Bretonnia is not a flexable army. To grow new players and retain current ones GW should be leaning into High Elves, Empire, and Greenskins - armies that were always popular and can be played in several different ways.

How is it so weird? It's one of the two armies that didn't really make any sort of transition to AoS directly, fully unique to the WHFB setting. Emphasizing those two makes sense as it shows what the game has going for it.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its also likely the most generic army and hardest to copyright so very un-GW

Not how copyright works. Bretonnia is no more or less copyrightable than any of their other stuff.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
How is it so weird? It's one of the two armies that didn't really make any sort of transition to AoS directly, fully unique to the WHFB setting. Emphasizing those two makes sense as it shows what the game has going for it.

It is a bit unexpected that the re-boot is headlined by two armies that was concidered among the lesser played and collected. Not saying it's a terrible opening for the new game but most of us was probably expecting Empire, Orcs & Goblins, Skaven or High Elves before Tomb Kings and Bretonnia.

Hoping the reveals this weekend will give us better idea of the plans for the release!

that is not a problem but an advantage as not many already own it but want to if shiny new models

what it a problem that the storyline and campaign tasered does not feature those armies at all but is about something different

 Ohman wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
How is it so weird? It's one of the two armies that didn't really make any sort of transition to AoS directly, fully unique to the WHFB setting. Emphasizing those two makes sense as it shows what the game has going for it.

It is a bit unexpected that the re-boot is headlined by two armies that was concidered among the lesser played and collected. Not saying it's a terrible opening for the new game but most of us was probably expecting Empire, Orcs & Goblins, Skaven or High Elves before Tomb Kings and Bretonnia.

Hoping the reveals this weekend will give us better idea of the plans for the release!

It's catering to a group of players who were left abandoned by AoS, Empire, Orcs, Skaven etc all had their armies or significant portions of their armies retained for Sigmar, people who were interested in those can still have them in AoS. That's not quite the case for Bretonnia and Tomb Kings where their whole range was dropped.

It's appealing to the nostalgia for those armies and showing a return to WHFB more so than if they had gone for Empire models instead or whatever, because you can just go and buy many of the models for those already.