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Now that I took second look, it might not be so bad if you buy GW plastic skull set (with 4756673 skulls in it), chop away ugly pumpkins these have as heads, and pin the new, nice skulls in their place. It will take tons of effort and time but at least 80% of the fugly will be gone

I would just buy Oathmark skeletons tbh.

But fanboys, sycophants and haters can all agree that this will sell out, just not why.

It's pure nostalgia pandering at this point. It's GW so it's never for the rules, they almost always sell on the quality of the models. And right now, the quality sure ain't there.

So this confirms the TK boxset rumours from Valrak a few months ago:

New Valrak rumours

Summary:
Release Q1 2024

Boxset contents:
Each box get their own core rulesets (probably means core rulebook in both boxes?)

Bretonnia: 70+ models
Big chunk of Men-at-Arms (two units?)
Big chunk of Archers
Two lances of Knights
Unit of three Pegasus knights
Lord on Pegasus

Only the Lord on Pegasus will be new, everything else is old fantasy models

Tomb Kings: 90+ models
Skeletons
Archers
Knights (Necropolis Knights?)
Chariots
Lich riding a Dragon

again only the Lich will be new."

I assume the Bretonnia contents are accurate too.

Brets being:

40 Men at arms (2 units of 20)
16 Archer's
2 lances of Knights (12 models)
3 Pegasus Knights
1 Lord

=72 minis

Actually not a bad number of figures (I am dreaded by cost, however!) but I was very afraid that we get the old models which were very likely.


But now to wait for Brettonian side (which can be shockingly big) and wonder were are those actually cool looking Tomb King guys (Tomb Guard, looking at you!)



And if worst comes, plenty of Skeletons around.

Uwww those are ugly minis in the TL box

I wonder if Bretonnian rumours are accurate and their box does NOT include the new foot knights.

Ah, yes, a proper old school army box. With ancient, gak models despite a lot of these having much better stand ins in other ranges now (one tiny upgrade sprue away to blow these out of the water and even that isn't really needed, a skeleton is a skeleton). And the new fancy models you might want to use for actual popular games (AoS or 40K, or hell, Warcry even) gated here for months.

Delightful

I mean, you dont have to buy it. I'm not as I already have 6 armies already.

If I do end up creating an army specifically for Old World I'll buy 3rd party because I don't want to pay GW tax on their over priced models when there are artists out there making lovely 3d prints.

I just need the rules and I can work the rest out form there. As for the old skeletons...I mean we already new GW wasn't updating them from the earlier preview, if you dont like them then dont buy them. I dont know why their mere existence is so offensive.

I think it looks like a good starter box.

Remove the wings of the croc king and its a delightfully non kipple overproduced army.

Get new skulls for the skellies though.

Not exactly stoked at the prospect of ye olde Tomb King skeletons making a return. They always appeared to be stop gap kit, being regular vampire counts skeletons with some extra bits chucked in. I know that they were in the preview videos for that (silly) dragon but I can't believe they're not remaking them. Why wasn't somebody more careless... They could have done us all a favour and dropped the mould.

I'm excited for a return of WHFB and that we get Tomb Kings back. That should make me an ideal target for these miniatures. I won't be buying this though.

I think this will be my first foray into STLs and a printer...

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Brets being:

40 Men at arms (2 units of 20)
16 Archer's
2 lances of Knights (12 models)
3 Pegasus Knights
1 Lord

=72 minis

GW's article from October said that regiments will be sold in boxes containing a "full complement", and specifically called archers out as 32. This might actually have something different to the rumor.

Having (probably) the least popular WHFB army be one of the headliners, and then stuffing the box with ancient sculpts that were dated when they were new, is one hell of a bold choice.

I also agree it'll sell like hot cakes but woah momma are those some ugly skellies.

likely will be getting the book for this individually, not interested really in bony boys and have enough pony boys already.

good they are going with individual starter armies though, avoids trying to have a set with both sides where its either so expensive no one buys it or neither faction is large enough to properly play the game

it is a bit sad its mostly older models though, not exactly going to sell the game on model quality as others have noted

I wonder if Old World had a bigger budget and then suddenly found it lost a bunch of investment. Or their budget got eaten up faster than they thought?

I recall early on they were going for several new armies and all new content and now they are recycling quite a bit of content.


It might also be that managers have changed their impression of the success and have toned back the budget with a "If you do really well at sales you'll get more, but we need actual sales data first".


The one boon is that GW can in theory not waste any money on this project. If it fails they can just change the bases in the box to round and throw out battletomes for AoS and reveal a glut of new armies appearing in the setting.

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
I mean, you dont have to buy it.

This is such a useless reply. It's not about buying it or not buying it. It's about a brand new box filled with awful ancient Skeleton models.

I've built exactly one box of TK Skeletons and I'm glad I never have to build another one in my life.

A skeleton dragon is nice and all, but redoing the basic TK Skeletons would have been a far better choice.

It's a good core to the army, you have to buy a few more units and you likely have a complete army for TK to play with. Say what you will about sculpts and what not but if this is priced reasonably, it will address one of the biggest issues Fantasy had which was high entry cost.

Hopefully all armies get a core box like this, it will bode well for the future of the game I think.

 Irbis wrote:
If GW still wants to go the stupid USR route, limit them to 10-20 max. That's about the limit most players can memorize. If said rule is only found in 1-3 books? No USR for you, into Codex special rules it goes. If it's found on only 3-6 units in the game, like 2/3 of """universal""" shyte in past editions? Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect USR $$$, Do Not End Up Codex Special Rule, Print It On The Damned Datasheet. There, fixed

Yeah. Then we can be like 10th Ed 40k, where we have 20 or so USRs and 1000 bespoke special rules. That's much easier to manage.

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 nathan2004 wrote:
It's a good core to the army, you have to buy a few more units and you likely have a complete army for TK to play with. Say what you will about sculpts and what not but if this is priced reasonably, it will address one of the biggest issues Fantasy had which was high entry cost.

Hopefully all armies get a core box like this, it will bode well for the future of the game I think.

Reasonably priced? Remind yourself which company you're talking about here.

That stack of boxes is all that's getting made for the global release of the old world jk, I am curious what the brett one is gonna look like now...

I’m fascinated by what the price point could be on this. I’m clearly weird as I like these skellies, and you get a whole lot of em

 bong264 wrote:
That stack of boxes is all that's getting made for the global release of the old world

thought the same, because seen various different pictures now but all of the same single stack and nothing else around

 bong264 wrote:
I am curious what the brett one is gonna look like now...

it will look the same, 2 units cavalry, 2 units infantry, 2 units archers, the special unit and the new hero and we have already seen on WC pics of newly painted and based models that match this

so:
2x16 Archers
2x18 Halberds
2x6 Knights
3 Pegaponies
1 Pegapony Hero

Any info on if the new plastic Pegasus hero will be available separately at launch? Or will he only be in the Bretonnian box set?

Might seem dumb asking just didn't know if The Old World would be sold like other GW games with characters only available initially in box sets and then a few months later as a single release.

I've put together those skellie minis before and have no appetite for doing it again, it'll be some Mantic Empire of Dust and 3D prints for me.

I do like the look of the croc dragon though.

I think GW probably did have the resources to make a new skeleton sprue, it's really odd to see a new game being launched by them in 2023 without the usual quality standards, if they can release 50 sprues of meat trees for warcry, they can throw Warhammer 9th edition a bone or two.

I thought they were long past the GorkaMorka days of wanting to make a new game but only having capacity to make 1-2 hard plastic kits.

Given how many of the models already in my collection are 20 years old or more, I have absolutely no issue with the return of the old skeletons.

That's a sexy box, right there.

scarletsquig wrote:
I've put together those skellie minis before and have no appetite for doing it again, it'll be some Mantic Empire of Dust and 3D prints for me.

I do like the look of the croc dragon though.

I think GW probably did have the resources to make a new skeleton sprue, it's really odd to see a new game being launched by them in 2023 without the usual quality standards, if they can release 50 sprues of meat trees for warcry, they can throw Warhammer 9th edition a bone or two.

I thought they were long past the GorkaMorka days of wanting to make a new game but only having capacity to make 1-2 hard plastic kits.

It's likely a fight for resources at GW. GW has multiple other games drawing on their resources and ultimately their capacity and finances are limited. There might also be managers questioning if GW can support 3 fantasy model maingames at one time; especially when 2 of them share the same visual and style design elements and the core difference is lore (which is background fluff) and base shape; and heck where 1 is basically half built on the other games "old models".

So some of it might be that GW feels Old World will work, but they want to actually see the sales figures and see the engagement before they can commit more resources.





Another aspect that I just thought of is the "too many at once" aspect. Similar to how AoS has a lot of armies needing updates and they can't all get a full refresh at once; it might just be that Old World is the same and the staff decided that instead of investing everything into two or three full new/updated armies; they would instead allow the game to grow faster with more armies by re-releasing a lot more older models. So perhaps this is part of GW actually thinking it will do REALLY well and they want to jump start the popularity much faster. So instead of a few armies a year they are pushing out way more and pat of that is simply using a mix of new and old models.

 insaniak wrote:
Given how many of the models already in my collection are 20 years old or more, I have absolutely no issue with the return of the old skeletons.

The issue isn't that they're old. There are plenty of great models that are ancient. The issue is that they're awful models to put together.

 insaniak wrote:
Given how many of the models already in my collection are 20 years old or more, I have absolutely no issue with the return of the old skeletons.

That's a sexy box, right there.

Yup, I'm with you. I vastly prefer the GW aesthetic of the 90s and 00s to what they're putting out now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Given how many of the models already in my collection are 20 years old or more, I have absolutely no issue with the return of the old skeletons.

The issue isn't that they're old. There are plenty of great models that are ancient. The issue is that they're awful models to put together.

Plastic skeletons generally are. Try the Wargames Factory skellies (currently sold by Warlord for Erewhon) with their separate feet...

I haven't built the TK skeleton kit specifically, but haven't had any real dramas with GW skeletons in the past.

I have built a box of TK Skeletons. Just one. And never again. They weren't fun.

TOW is an opportunity to take an old game and really catapult it forward and... oh... wait. It's an opportunity.

We all know what GW does with those.

Forget I said anything.