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$80 for 10 though is very expensive even for new sculpts for comparison 10 SCE are $65 and the new Steelhelms are $55 so I could see 20 for $80

It would be the first time they've done preview pics that didn't show the total amount you get in the box.

Again,they said that units will come in boxes of maximum size.

These regiments and other future regiments are returning in boxes that contain enough plastic miniatures to make a full regiment, not just a rank or two.

The grail knight command is from the old grail knight box. But where are the other three from?

Technically speaking the preview box did show 20, just separated in two units of 10 with different weapons. I assumed that meant a box of 10 but its possible its a box of 20 that is built w 10 of each loadout or something?

 triplegrim wrote:
The grail knight command is from the old grail knight box. But where are the other three from?

They're the command figures, just made available separately.

Also found this image on twitter:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Again,they said that units will come in boxes of maximum size.

These regiments and other future regiments are returning in boxes that contain enough plastic miniatures to make a full regiment, not just a rank or two.

Bad claim. As there's no maximum sizes obviously they don't come with max size. Or you think there's infinite amount of grey knights in box? After all unit size is 3+. No maximum

 triplegrim wrote:
The grail knight command is from the old grail knight box. But where are the other three from?

Two of them appear to have the same heads as the champion and standard bearer, just with lance arms.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
The grail knight command is from the old grail knight box. But where are the other three from?

Two of them appear to have the same heads as the champion and standard bearer, just with lance arms.

... old Warhammer miniatures often just had upgrade parts to normal troopers to make command.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well Movement Trays at 32.50€ is on expensive side but it all depends how much you get for that sum.

And there is alternatives for movement trays so it is not doom & gloom on that part.

Why would any hobbyist buy these ones instead of just buying from the plethora of cheap laser cut ones you can buy online? (Well, I assume so, Australia had a few local makers so surely larger markets had then, and will have them start up again)

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'm sorry, but those sorts of prices for models that old is disgustingly foul.

GW releasing old kits was always going to be expensive, otherwise sales for the AoS equivalents would start to dry up. (Not that I'd prefer to see better pricing on this release but it was never going to happen)

I supplement my collection with a ton of cheaper alternatives and I have a tendency to pull as much out of a GW kit as I can. eg: I've brought a mountain load of the start collecting kits over the years, and stretch the contents as much as I can, or use things like victrix, oathmark and warlord games bits to maximise my collection.

As an example a box of Goblins is likely to cost €65 for 40 (going by TK leaked prices). I'd buy that and a set of the Victrix chariots and a box of oathmark wolf riders. Increase in starting cost sure, but I now have two units of goblins (with fillers to save some goblins), three wolf chariots and a unit or two of wolf riders. Same with TK, I'll buy the launch set and with all the left over parts I'll grab another big box of warlord game skeletons and add some TK bits to stretch the units out even more.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Nearly 400 for tomb kings when you total the books on top. That has to be the most expensive start i've ever seen them do.

They're going down the stupid route of assuming the grogs will pay whatever to get their game back, rather than trying to relaunch it and breathe new life into it by capturing people. They really needed to do a box set with Age of Darkness/Blood Bowl Season 2 levels of value to draw new people back in. Sadly they haven't - perhaps we might see something later in the year that achieves that, while this is the vanguard precisely for the grogs. Oh well I've got all my digits crossed that this is successful, I'll be picking up the Bret stuff so I don't have to pay awful eBay prices if the game does fail.

 Hellebore wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
The grail knight command is from the old grail knight box. But where are the other three from?

Two of them appear to have the same heads as the champion and standard bearer, just with lance arms.

... old Warhammer miniatures often just had upgrade parts to normal troopers to make command.

Ergo, they probably came from the same box.

GW wrote:The Common Magic Items set includes 56 cards, and the Lores of Magic set has 56 cards covering eight lores of magic. You can also protect your cards with a set of 50 sleeves featuring the Warhammer: The Old World logo on the backs.

Come on GW - Would it have killed you to put 56 sleeves in the pack?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Also found this image on twitter:

Seeing these definitively from the flank, does anyone think the knights on foot are extremely chunky? Not that they are Obese, but they look rather over-large.

No, they look fine? Though they look more like nuhammer scale, I'm guessing they're bigger than the older minis

Difficult to tell without any other miniatures nearby to compare. Plus you'd expect a Knight to be more well fed than a peasant anyway, after all weight was a measure of wealth/success for a long time. Plus I'm not sure why that picture is news to anyone, hasn't it been around for months?

Overall what surprises me most about this release is the sheer scale of it in week one. I just do not know how anyone is expected to keep up with it. Doubly so in January when a lot of GW's market will be spent out post Christmas.

The fluff for bretonnia does literally say that the average knight stands head and shoulders above the typical peasant due to their better diets and whatnot

Ash Wastes is $489 in Oz. If the TK box is slightly less than the Ash Wastes box in the US, then we're looking at probably $440-460 for those boxes. Outrageous, but not unexpected.

 Mallo wrote:
Necrosphinx is about €60.

The price is the same as a Treeman in the US, which is AUD$110 here.

So that's a 37% price increase over what it was when it was before the End Times.

 Thargrim wrote:
Those are way too overcosted IMO and most players will need a bunch of them.

The second half of this sentence explains the first half.

And people are forgetting that those movement trays are great for terrain.

...

... or you could buy textured plasticard and get 4 times the amount of material for the same price, with a wider variety of patterns

Ushabti with bows and the 8th edition Liche in metal?? Sign me up! Those where never produced in metal so that's gonna be fun!

The Liche I wasn't that big of a fan, and being Finecast (with lots of flaws) and already having like 8+ of them when it came out I skipped it.

The Ushabti with bows I have like 7 of them. Depending how fieldable they are, I could get 2 units of 5 of those with an extra kit!

That's pretty much all I'll need for minis regarding any old units, I have more than enough of everything so I'll focus on the newer stuff.

You can make movement trays for basically free if you want. Cereal boxes or any other cardboard. Glue multiple layers to make them thicker if you want.

I would never waste the obscene money gw wants on plastic movement trays.


The ones I built for my kow armies were made from scrap Masonite with stirrer sticks glued around the edges and trimmed to fit.

Looked great and were basically free.

I’m going to start 3D printing custom movement trays for myself. I’m going to make sure to include little slots for magnets so I can magnetize models to the tray.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'm sorry, but those sorts of prices for models that old is disgustingly foul.

Yes. Over 300 USD for a 1250 point army with the two additional books is wild. Particularly when the vast majority of models are extremely old sculpts.

 caladancid wrote:
Yes. Over 300 USD for a 1250 point army with the two additional books is wild. Particularly when the vast majority of models are extremely old sculpts.

That's inflation since the game was cancelled added to the nostalgia cost unfortunately.

Anyone with armies still laying around, that also like the new rules, aren't paying much for rules and army lists. GW isn't getting anything from them.

Anyone who just wanted a few more of the old mini's to add to an army they have and missed out years ago but doesn't want to pay the (current) wild scarcity prices on e-bay, can grab those few new again.

Anyone suffering from nostalgia with friends who haven't played since Undead and Chaos were 1 book armies (respectively) in 4th or 5th edition can give this a go. (Me and my friends)

But anyone else, especially younger persons and persons interested because they were exposed by the Total War series will likely be dissuaded.

Honestly out of all these categories I am not sure where GW thinks the bulk of their money will come from. Probably groups 2 and 3. Because they aren't getting much from 1 and 4.

As expected the pricing kerbs my enthusiasm a bit but it's not all bad.

Not surprised the Bretonnian Lord on Pegasus is not available separately at launch. Just hope it doesn't take a year before he is.

Tempted to convert the Pegasus banner bearer into a Duke or Baron but probably not the best idea for me lol.

Probably have to make custom movement trays for the Knights wedge formation. Rectangular tray might not work so well.

Could be wrong but I thought the Grail Knights used to have little crests and designs on the horses heads too, out of metal. Maybe they were alternative horse heads, can't remember exactly. Anyway the re-release version doesn't have those. Have to try find my old Bretonnian book to double check. Maybe it was just on heroes.

Those Bretonnian Foot Knights, with the increase in base size I guess these are on 25mm. Meaning I doubt GW would have put them on the old 20mm. I think they look great but agree they look a bit bigger than other models in the range now. Don't think it's a problem though. If they come in a box of 10 that's really expensive. If it's 20 not so bad. Obviously if the box includes both weapon options (swords and halberds) that could explain why the cost is high.

Mounted yeoman is nice surprise at launch.
Archers and Men at Arms not separately yet, with the Lord, really pushes new players to go for the box set. Hardly surprising. As I already have some old units I thought I could pick and choose units to add but looks like I'll have to wait for further releases now.

Wonder when Wave 2 hits.

Personally I'm kind of interested in the journal with extra info/rules especially with the alternative force organisation. Errantry crusades and exiled Knights. Had been hoping for some kind of crusade option to allow for a mercenary unit or allies contingent.
Bretonnian Knights with allied Knights who have been on crusade?
Bretonnia force with Wood Elves allies?
Bretonnia force with Merc Giant?
Hope there's rules leaks before release.

Having said all that those Tomb Kings do look like such a great themed force too.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
As expected the pricing kerbs my enthusiasm a bit but it's not all bad.
Could be wrong but I thought the Grail Knights used to have little crests and designs on the horses heads too, out of metal. Maybe they were alternative horse heads, can't remember exactly. Anyway the re-release version doesn't have those. Have to try find my old Bretonnian book to double check. Maybe it was just on heroes.

The 5th Edition ones did, but I don't recall the 6th edition ones having them.

That said, I'd spend so much if GW ever did a MTO of 5th Ed Brets. Happy to see the mounted squires available, they are one thing Mt 5th Ed army is really lacking.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
As expected the pricing kerbs my enthusiasm a bit but it's not all bad.
Could be wrong but I thought the Grail Knights used to have little crests and designs on the horses heads too, out of metal. Maybe they were alternative horse heads, can't remember exactly. Anyway the re-release version doesn't have those. Have to try find my old Bretonnian book to double check. Maybe it was just on heroes.

The 5th Edition ones did, but I don't recall the 6th edition ones having them.

That said, I'd spend so much if GW ever did a MTO of 5th Ed Brets. Happy to see the mounted squires available, they are one thing Mt 5th Ed army is really lacking.

Thanks for that! It probably explains why and why I was also a little confused

The big Bretonnian army arrayed looks cool and has me tempted, but I think I can resist, especially when I think back to how much I dislike the proportions of the 6th edition Bretonnian models. Also I haven't liked what I've seen of the rules so far.

I actually have a bunch of Bretonnians that I should probably try to sell, when the Australian prices come out it'll give a bit of a guide of how much I might be able to get rid of my old models for.


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 Dawnbringer wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
As expected the pricing kerbs my enthusiasm a bit but it's not all bad.
Could be wrong but I thought the Grail Knights used to have little crests and designs on the horses heads too, out of metal. Maybe they were alternative horse heads, can't remember exactly. Anyway the re-release version doesn't have those. Have to try find my old Bretonnian book to double check. Maybe it was just on heroes.

The 5th Edition ones did, but I don't recall the 6th edition ones having them.

That said, I'd spend so much if GW ever did a MTO of 5th Ed Brets. Happy to see the mounted squires available, they are one thing Mt 5th Ed army is really lacking.

The 5th edition Bret models are my favourite. If these were the 5th edition models I'd be much more tempted. Especially the archers, squires and men at arms.

The Perry twins did a great job on the 5th edition stuff.

I never collected Brets in 5th edition, they were my first choice but because a friend collected them I ended up down a different path. When 6th edition came out I was blinded by the bright lights of new models, but when I started actually building and painting them I disliked them more and more. I think it might have been the 6th edition Bretonnians that made me realise I dislike GW's bobblehead proportions (which were worse in that era than they are now).