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It is shocking that GW would re-release an old IP being demanded by a niche crowd at a premium price. Who could have foreseen such a thing? No one, that is who.

 Ahtman wrote:
It is shocking that GW would re-release an old IP being demanded by a niche crowd at a premium price. Who could have foreseen such a thing? No one, that is who.

You are absolutely right sir.

UK prices (£155 for Brets £175 for TK)

 DaveC wrote:
UK prices (£155 for Brets £175 for TK)

If those prices are real, that isn't too bad. The rule book is £42, which comes in the starter set.

Can't say I am tempted by either TK or Brets, but thise look to be a good entry point. It might be that GW arw going to sell old kits at a discounted price.

 stonehorse wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
UK prices (£155 for Brets £175 for TK)

If those prices are real, that isn't too bad. The rule book is £42, which comes in the starter set.

Can't say I am tempted by either TK or Brets, but thise look to be a good entry point. It might be that GW arw going to sell old kits at a discounted price.

The big box sets seem fair enough but I think the kick in the butt will be the price of individual units.

So most people here tell me that the old TK skellies are really bad but what about the Tomb Guard plastics? Please share your experience with them.

They are ok
Main disadvantage was their price and the options but in general similar to all the other plastic elites released at the time

Not suited for R&F while boring & expensive to make an army from it

With larger bases the first problem might be gone, increasing the box size from 10 for 32€ to 20 for 55/60€ does not really help with last given what you get now on the market (resin and plastic) for less, they are still kind of boring to make more than 1-2 units

 kodos wrote:

Not suited for R&F while boring & expensive to make an army from it.

I have non R&F mini agnostic skirmish games in mind for them so it will not be a problem Thanks for the info!

Gotta respect a release of that size, at least.

Those prices are okayish, in line with AoS. Just a tad more expensive than their contemporary kits that stayed in production since End Times.

F in the chat for scalpers killing themselves en masse.

Might get myself a big ole chunk of Tomb Guard since I don't own any. And TK dice.

likely getting a rulebook from that and thats it, can find suitable foot knight models elsewhere, heck some metal range ones are cheaper

Are we expecting the skeleton warriors to come in boxes of 20?

20 means 2 upgrade sprues cover all options. Scratch that, 2 sprues only give you 16 bows...

That would mean the big box comes with 3,6 boxes of warriors which seems odd but not impossible. 5 Upgrade sprues cover all options for the warriors and cavalry shown in the pictures.

But that would also mean that we miss out on several upgrade sprues compared to buying individual boxes.

Is there a number of models of warriors/cavalry per box that solves this equation? Or have they skimped on the upgrade sprues in the big box?

EDIT: Perhaps the warrior box won't have bows/shields for everyone?

 Ohman wrote:
Are we expecting the skeleton warriors to come in boxes of 20?

20 means 2 upgrade sprues cover all options. Scratch that, 2 sprues only give you 16 bows...

That would mean the big box comes with 3,6 boxes of warriors which seems odd but not impossible. 5 Upgrade sprues cover all options for the warriors and cavalry shown in the pictures.

But that would also mean that we miss out on several upgrade sprues compared to buying individual boxes.

Is there a number of models of warriors/cavalry per box that solves this equation? Or have they skimped on the upgrade sprues in the big box?

EDIT: Perhaps the warrior box won't have bows/shields for everyone?

If you mean TK Skeleton Warriors, those likely come in boxes of 32. If going with Peasent Bowmen.

They'd have to be in some multiple of 8 unless they've recut the sprues - the bodies were also in groups of 8

EDIT: or was it 4? I can't remember now

Also I'm pretty sure the Horsemen were 4-per-sprue, so they'll likely be a box of 8

I just realized there’s no casket of souls or bone giants in this release, or green knight. I hope those are MTO sometime

Not everything necessarily gets released at once mind.
Multiple waves are SOP.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I just realized there’s no casket of souls or bone giants in this release, or green knight. I hope those are MTO sometime

I hope they’re rereleased, rather than MTO.

Thankfully I still have my Casket of Souls somewhere... unfortunately in Failcast and not metal

Yeah I'd not expect GW to drop an entire army in one go on any game system unless they are literally one box and nothing more (eg Warcry).

I fully expect that we will see more waves of models over time. A big part will depend on how well the sales do and on how many other armies are going to get pushed out in a set time frame. Hopefully they are not too slow at restoring old armies.

 Overread wrote:
Yeah I'd not expect GW to drop an entire army in one go on any game system unless they are literally one box and nothing more (eg Warcry).

I fully expect that we will see more waves of models over time. A big part will depend on how well the sales do and on how many other armies are going to get pushed out in a set time frame. Hopefully they are not too slow at restoring old armies.

Eh sales now would affect releases 2025 and onward. 2nd wave likely comes sooner than that

So just curious, obviously we don't know with the Old World yet, but what point levels were older editions of fantasy played at? 1500? 2000? 3000? Those prices for the box sets dropped my interest greatly but I am just wondering since I think they said these army boxes are about 1250 points. If its 1500 or 2000, getting 2/3+ of a basic army would be halfway decent, but if the point levels for the game are higher then suddenly its 300 dollars for only 1/3 of your army built mostly of models old enough to drink.

 kurhanik wrote:
So just curious, obviously we don't know with the Old World yet, but what point levels were older editions of fantasy played at? 1500? 2000? 3000? Those prices for the box sets dropped my interest greatly but I am just wondering since I think they said these army boxes are about 1250 points. If its 1500 or 2000, getting 2/3+ of a basic army would be halfway decent, but if the point levels for the game are higher then suddenly its 300 dollars for only 1/3 of your army built mostly of models old enough to drink.

In general Old World worked better at higher point levels. It was one of the issues they had near the end because 500-1000 points didn't really "work" all that well for many armies. 2K was generally seen as the basic point cost for most armies and battles where the game "worked well" and gave you the gameplay and visual experience. 1500 was decent for most armies.

GW appear to agree still with that as these starter boxes are pretty chunky. Of course we've also seen GW do things like market Killteam as its own thing to really help boost 40K gateway options.
Old World is a specialist game so GW might not be as hot with such things, so it might still suffer from that early gateway issue. Right now I feel old old players are the target market (hence the really high priced starter boxed sets). I figure in time we will see GW likely release cheaper boxed army sets and likely some kind of gateway game format (Killteam/Warcry format) to try and encourage people into the game softly so that new people don't have to clamber up a 1K point model collection just to get started.

Depends on the group but 2000pts for 6/7E and 2400-2500 for 8E was my usual level.

 NAVARRO wrote:
The big box sets seem fair enough but I think the kick in the butt will be the price of individual units.

Kind of feels like the opposite to me, although that's strictly looking at Tomb Kings. The big box is close to 240€. I could be tempted into buying it at half the price. Whereas Tomb Guard doesn't seem to have had a price increase over the last time they were available.

A lot of that is down to the age of the skeleton kits, of course. I imagine a hypothetical Warriors of Chaos box might look a lot more tempting for that kind of price if it goes easy on Marauders.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So most people here tell me that the old TK skellies are really bad but what about the Tomb Guard plastics? Please share your experience with them.

The kit is nice overall. The heads are scaled to fit with the old skeletons, so they share the bobblehead look. That and most arms being molded to the shields are the weakest points of the models in my opinion. They're like Marines with legs and torso back halves in one piece. Torso front halves are interchangeable (not sure if every loincloth works with every body, but at least they're fundamentally designed to give you some options). Arms and shoulders are ball sockets, so you get a few options to vary things up a bit, albeit with the caveat that the shields with molded arms are posed in a way that they don't offer much choice at all.

They're tall, more in line with modern GW sculpts. You'll be looking at 34mm to 35mm for a Tomb Guard who stands reasonably straight, plus the headdress on top.

The bones don't look unduly thick, but they're thick enough to be reasonably durable. Add wrappings and armor and for skeleton warriors, Tomb Guard should be fairly resistant to snapping.

Sotahullu wrote:If you mean TK Skeleton Warriors, those likely come in boxes of 32. If going with Peasent Bowmen.

32 means you would need 4 upgrade sprues to have all the options available. 3 sprues lets you build up to 24 archers or up to 30 shield-warriors. Shame if not everyone can be built with a shield.

The big box appears to contain 5 upgrade sprues, seems like it might be a better idea to go for the individual boxes if you want to maximize the number of upgrade sprues.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:They'd have to be in some multiple of 8 unless they've recut the sprues - the bodies were also in groups of 8

EDIT: or was it 4? I can't remember now

Also I'm pretty sure the Horsemen were 4-per-sprue, so they'll likely be a box of 8

Both the horsemen and warriors used to be 4 to a sprue. The upgrade sprue contains 10 shields and 8 bows meaning you will always be either short on something or end upp with extras. Box of 8 with 1 upgrade sprue sounds plausible.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I actually have a bunch of Bretonnians that I should probably try to sell, when the Australian prices come out it'll give a bit of a guide of how much I might be able to get rid of my old models for.

This is occurring to me as well. I've still got the 5th ed. boxed set knights and selling them and the archers off to nostalgia-crazed geezers could be a solid play.

GaroRobe wrote:I just realized there’s no casket of souls or bone giants in this release, or green knight. I hope those are MTO sometime

I wonder if the bone giant will be removed, with the new dragon taking the place of big monster model as the bone giant is tiny compared to todays models.

I suspect we might see a new green knight plastic/resin kit, as he has its own page of rules in the new AJ. Seems like he would be due a nice new centrepiece model. That said, you'd think the same of Settra but we got the existing tiny chariot kit. They didn't even update the skeletal horses to have some nice armour to go with him.

Oh, great, now my skavens will get ignored in TWO game systems instead of 1!!!!! So exciting

 Geifer wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So most people here tell me that the old TK skellies are really bad but what about the Tomb Guard plastics? Please share your experience with them.

The kit is nice overall. The heads are scaled to fit with the old skeletons, so they share the bobblehead look. That and most arms being molded to the shields are the weakest points of the models in my opinion. They're like Marines with legs and torso back halves in one piece. Torso front halves are interchangeable (not sure if every loincloth works with every body, but at least they're fundamentally designed to give you some options). Arms and shoulders are ball sockets, so you get a few options to vary things up a bit, albeit with the caveat that the shields with molded arms are posed in a way that they don't offer much choice at all.

They're tall, more in line with modern GW sculpts. You'll be looking at 34mm to 35mm for a Tomb Guard who stands reasonably straight, plus the headdress on top.

The bones don't look unduly thick, but they're thick enough to be reasonably durable. Add wrappings and armor and for skeleton warriors, Tomb Guard should be fairly resistant to snapping.

Very informative, big thanks

Garrac wrote:
Oh, great, now my skavens will get ignored in TWO game systems instead of 1!!!!! So exciting

I'm sure in due time GW will add more systems to ignore Skaven in.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/01/old-world-almanack-watch-a-learn-to-play-video/