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A bit, but if you're trying to stretch your box of 30-40 dudes out into 2 units, a couple fillers can be the difference between that box being 1 big unit or 2 medium/large ones.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Isn't that redundant when they say they'll sell you enough for a full regiment in a box?

I think it is rather for players to run their imagination free = you could use minis for all members or add some fluffy elements to the regiment.

Yeah but GW has always had low traction with selling terrain kits and such - this might be their new slant after "Faction terrain"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkqXFins_rc

Youtubers are playing the game!

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Isn't that redundant when they say they'll sell you enough for a full regiment in a box?

I think it is rather for players to run their imagination free = you could use minis for all members or add some fluffy elements to the regiment.

It's one of those articles where GW gets free content by showing off what some dude in the community did.

It's not really GW peddling the idea. Endorsing the idea has no impact on what they're officially trying to sell model kits on.

 Geifer wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Isn't that redundant when they say they'll sell you enough for a full regiment in a box?

I think it is rather for players to run their imagination free = you could use minis for all members or add some fluffy elements to the regiment.

It's one of those articles where GW gets free content by showing off what some dude in the community did.

It's not really GW peddling the idea. Endorsing the idea has no impact on what they're officially trying to sell model kits on.

Plus they are all from GW kits so its potentially upselling - which GW is usually awful at

So how do pre-orders work by region?

I assume there is a different stock stateside than their is for say the UK and that is why they release at different times. Or is it all just one large pool?

Is there a way to login to the GW website during the UK release and place an order to the states?

I am anxious about the stock situation. I fear GW might've underestimated how popular Fantasy was, and how popular this game is going to be. Personally, I just want to get the rulebooks - Brets and TKs aren't my thing.

However, I am cautiously optimistic about the game rules.

Grail Seeker wrote:
So how do pre-orders work by region?

I assume there is a different stock stateside than their is for say the UK and that is why they release at different times. Or is it all just one large pool?

Is there a way to login to the GW website during the UK release and place an order to the states?

Separate stock pools by region. You can't order GW to the US from the UK, GW doesn't allow it from its website and forbids its retailers from selling out of region. Most independent retailers have their sites set up to stop you from placing orders for GW goods outside of the UK/EU, those that don't will manually cancel your order after the fact.

I'm predicting dead websites tomorrow as a storm of geeks bombard them with pressure. I wonder if that might be Element's trick. Instead of a Saturday of their webstore breaking down and getting double or worse charges because things slip up they might be holding it all for in-shop.

Then a day or two later when the fever has worn off they will put the rest of the stock online. Knowing it will sell and that it won't break their site like a Saturday prelaunch will.



I know when I ordered Leviathan, Firestorm's website lost communication with their pay site and I wound up paying 3 times for 1 box. So of course FA had to refund two of those purchases. Now imagine how many times that might happen to the store which means paying out in processing refunds; spotting them in the first place and also any fines/fees for refunds from their card processing partner.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain why the game not being available to buy is a good thing.

Good, no. But unlike some people think GW can't just snap a finger and products appear out of thin air.

And as is GW can't keep up with demand with 24/7 production. So increasing supply here would mean other games will suffer.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Isn't that redundant when they say they'll sell you enough for a full regiment in a box?

Seeing there's no maximu size...That's kind of difficult. How do you sell box of infinite models?

What's full for you is not full for others. And with couple box and couple unit filler you can do even more full units anyway.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/05/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-the-past-and-future-of-a-stone-cold-classic/

Final round table.

Discussing how TOW is a new game, and reinforcing that the 7 factions they cut won't be featured.

Chaos Dwarves and Dark Elves are the only oddities in the "cut" 7 factions. Chaos Dwarves don't feature in any game at present so perhaps that's a hint of the future of AoS (and honestly they'd do fantastic being let loose with Chaos engines and such in AoS).

Dark Elves are tricky and I really wish GW would just flat out tell us or commit to a clear plan with them.


Are they going to be their own army; are they getting a Cities of Sigmar book; are they rolling formally back into the Daughter's of Khain; is Malarion's "shadow elves" going to be quietly shifted around lore wise and become the Dark Elves. Are they just going to kind of sit there doing not very much.

The legacy factions will not be tournament legal they state.
Dogs of war unfortunately not on there.

 Overread wrote:
I'm predicting dead websites tomorrow as a storm of geeks bombard them with pressure. I wonder if that might be Element's trick. Instead of a Saturday of their webstore breaking down and getting double or worse charges because things slip up they might be holding it all for in-shop.

Then a day or two later when the fever has worn off they will put the rest of the stock online. Knowing it will sell and that it won't break their site like a Saturday prelaunch will.



I know when I ordered Leviathan, Firestorm's website lost communication with their pay site and I wound up paying 3 times for 1 box. So of course FA had to refund two of those purchases. Now imagine how many times that might happen to the store which means paying out in processing refunds; spotting them in the first place and also any fines/fees for refunds from their card processing partner.

Have Wayland/Element/the usual suspects made any comments about how they're going to handle tomorrow? Doesn't seem to be anything on their social media.

 Londinium wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I'm predicting dead websites tomorrow as a storm of geeks bombard them with pressure. I wonder if that might be Element's trick. Instead of a Saturday of their webstore breaking down and getting double or worse charges because things slip up they might be holding it all for in-shop.

Then a day or two later when the fever has worn off they will put the rest of the stock online. Knowing it will sell and that it won't break their site like a Saturday prelaunch will.



I know when I ordered Leviathan, Firestorm's website lost communication with their pay site and I wound up paying 3 times for 1 box. So of course FA had to refund two of those purchases. Now imagine how many times that might happen to the store which means paying out in processing refunds; spotting them in the first place and also any fines/fees for refunds from their card processing partner.

Have Wayland/Element/the usual suspects made any comments about how they're going to handle tomorrow? Doesn't seem to be anything on their social media.

Someone earlier in the comments above said Element were withholding for physical sale only. I don't think the others have said.

In the end the only things like cards are likely to outright vanish (because GW never seems to like keeping them in stock). Everything else might vanish but we can hope it will return fairly swiftly.
It might mean hunting down a copy of the rule book on ebay/fb from those who buy more than one army set.

chaos0xomega wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/05/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-the-past-and-future-of-a-stone-cold-classic/

Final round table.

Discussing how TOW is a new game, and reinforcing that the 7 factions they cut won't be featured.

Calling it a new game is just branding, everyone and his dog knows it's WHFB, hell it's promoted as a revival of that. It's like when they reboot video games like Tomb Raider, yes it's not a direct sequel or in continuity but everyone knows it's the same series. Hell they even slip up and call it the 'same game' in the very same article:

It’s very strange, bringing back an old game and old ranges that people know and love

As for saying the cut factions won't be featured, they barely say anything more than they have already said repeatedly, other than them not being tournament legal:

A few of the factions from the previous Warhammer Fantasy Battle game will not feature in Warhammer: The Old World – this is in terms of game rules, model ranges, and the ongoing background narrative. These ‘Legacy’ factions will however get free, downloadable army lists so people can try out the new system using their older model collections. More about this in the coming weeks, though please note that they won’t be considered legal for tournaments, and won’t receive ongoing support.

If you want to come on this long-term journey with us, the factions in the Forces of Fantasy and Ravening Hordes books are the ones to collect and play – and we want to be pretty clear about that

I would bet my house on their being a 'New World' supplement with the missing factions in 2-4 years if the core game is a success. There are some of the most iconic and unique WHFB races within those legacy factions, if they truly wanted to jettison them for now and for forever, they wouldn't have held out the figleaf of pdf rules. They're just being very clear right now that those armies aren't in their plans to try and prevent nerd outrage and ongoing complaints, ultimately commercial logic will dictate if they are ever returned to. If Kislev and Cathay can be worked on, those factions will be eventually.

Elements announcement is literally on their homepage:

"A Notice Regarding Warhammer: The Old World.

We are disappointed to report that stock allocations are very low for all products in this release. Therefore we will not be able to offer them for online sale, and will have very limited stock in our physical stores. We have been made aware that most of the products are planned to be restocked in the future, but we haven’t yet been given a firm date.

Kind regards, The EG Team"

That Legacy factions list is such a fat, excrement smeared horsefly in what could possibly be a decent dish down the line.

 Londinium wrote:

I would bet my house on their being a 'New World' supplement with the missing factions in 2-4 years if the core game is a success. There are some of the most iconic and unique WHFB races within those legacy factions, if they truly wanted to jettison them for now and for forever, they wouldn't have held out the figleaf of pdf rules. They're just being very clear right now that those armies aren't in their plans to try and prevent nerd outrage and ongoing complaints, ultimately commercial logic will dictate if they are ever returned to.

Denial is a hell of a thing.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Elements announcement is literally on their homepage:

"A Notice Regarding Warhammer: The Old World.

We are disappointed to report that stock allocations are very low for all products in this release. Therefore we will not be able to offer them for online sale, and will have very limited stock in our physical stores. We have been made aware that most of the products are planned to be restocked in the future, but we haven’t yet been given a firm date.

Kind regards, The EG Team"

Cheers, hadn't checked their website front page today, assumed they'd use social media for more breaking news kind of things. Hopefully Wayland will have enough stuff - or this is a case of GW releasing TOW in very low quantities to gage popularity for a bigger splash with a bigger printrun. It wouldn't be beyond them, despite the heavy online promotion they've been doing on Warhammer Community.

 Overread wrote:
Chaos Dwarves and Dark Elves are the only oddities in the "cut" 7 factions. Chaos Dwarves don't feature in any game at present so perhaps that's a hint of the future of AoS (and honestly they'd do fantastic being let loose with Chaos engines and such in AoS).

Dark Elves are tricky and I really wish GW would just flat out tell us or commit to a clear plan with them.


Are they going to be their own army; are they getting a Cities of Sigmar book; are they rolling formally back into the Daughter's of Khain; is Malarion's "shadow elves" going to be quietly shifted around lore wise and become the Dark Elves. Are they just going to kind of sit there doing not very much.

GW has been dropping more and more mentions of Hashut and Chaos Dwarves in AoS lore, so they seem destined to make an appearance.

Dark Elves, who knows. Half their kits are Daughters of Khaine, the other half red-headed bastard stepchildren of the Cities of Sigmar range. With Morathis takeover of Anvilgard/Har Kuron, there's justification for them to lump legacy DE in with Daughters though it would definitely ruin the vibe of DoK. The same units could also be reworked into Malerions Umbraneth but that would be kind if a vanilla approach to the faction IMO.

Quotes from the new article ( https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/05/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-the-past-and-future-of-a-stone-cold-classic/ )

"There’s a lot of invisible work in the Old World project, finding old miniatures in the archive,"
"What’s more, plenty of the original ‘Eavy Metal miniatures had been lost or damaged through the wear and tear of 40 years of Warhammer. "

Man GW really did throw WHFB stuff in the dumpster and now they have to search the local landfill for the old eavy metal miniatures.

Their plan for Dark Elves is to have a legaqy PDF near launch then wash their hands of them.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Londinium wrote:

I would bet my house on their being a 'New World' supplement with the missing factions in 2-4 years if the core game is a success. There are some of the most iconic and unique WHFB races within those legacy factions, if they truly wanted to jettison them for now and for forever, they wouldn't have held out the figleaf of pdf rules. They're just being very clear right now that those armies aren't in their plans to try and prevent nerd outrage and ongoing complaints, ultimately commercial logic will dictate if they are ever returned to.

Denial is a hell of a thing.

Not really. From my professional life I know how projects of this size are managed and risk controlled. Especially when they're as inherently risky as relaunching a legacy IP with a very dedicated fanbase but which commercially failed a decade ago. Especially when you're already managing a product line that has significant cross over (AOS) and potential for confusion. Launching with a sub-set of the full range and tightly controlling communication, promising nothing more than you can initially deliver, in order to control the message and prevent as much negative vibe around the product as possible is the obvious way to do things.

I'm not confident that TOW will succeed commercially, I am confident that if it does then the legacy factions will find their way into the game.

Yeah it is strange to see a unit filler for a 20-man unit. Like, you had to buy one 20-man kit or 2x 10-man regardless. It does make removing models easier and can add more theme to a unit. I don't really care for them until you get up to 30+ models though. It's nice that GW has officially endorsed them, though!

GW posted an article on bitz-box unit fillers. That was not on my bingo card for 2024.

I can’t believe they’d encourage unit fillers as stand ins to bulk units out

So with no chance of legacy armies being added later on, there is absolutely no reason to buy the new rules as this entire 'era' of the game can be played using the previous versions of warhammer, with the bonus of no one with a previous collection being left out. We'll just have to house rule some items out of the army lists to play 'authentically'.

Its pretty good of GW to warn/tell us that a day before pre-orders. Its nice to see them managing expectations for once, even if they let it fester for the last several months, getting peoples hopes up.

As someone with VC, skaven, ogres, lizards & DE armies, and with friends & family that also collect some of the legacy options, I think I'm going to stick with running 8th Ed games and just treat tomorrow as one big MTO run for Brets & TKs.

Its nice they gave us pity pdfs, but anyone that saw the same thing happen during the start of AoS knows they are pretty much a get-you-by for the first few weeks until more core forces replace them as the standard.

 Mallo wrote:
Its pretty good of GW to warn/tell us that a day before pre-orders. Its nice to see them managing expectations for once, even if they let it fester for the last several months, getting peoples hopes up.

How did they let it fester? They'd been clear about this since they announced which factions would feature, as far as I'm aware.