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On the NZ site, has the online only tag

Wait is the liche priest only going to be $15 usd? The NZ price is $30, so I’m guessing it’s only half of that

 GaroRobe wrote:
Wait is the liche priest only going to be $15 usd? The NZ price is $30, so I’m guessing it’s only half of that

Yup. It's a single human-sized metal model without any bells and whistles, so quite fairly priced imo. The only ray of hope in a sea of darkness when it comes to GW's pricing of metal miniatures.

Someone was having a little bit of a laugh when they chose this as a focal image for the box

 His Master's Voice wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
We've been hearing rumors that beastmen and spider goblins would be removed from AoS for a while now.

What was the last time a full faction supported by their own rules supplement was removed from a core game? Chaos Dwarves?

All the 40k Aeronautica planes just a few months ago would qualify I’d say.

Well if GW is happy to harm two games just to stop people double dipping with one set of models, more power to them.

Looks like Kirby era bean counters have regained power, maybe they will once again start pursuing their end goal of producing one box of Space Marines per year and selling it for 100 million pounds.

Had not noticed how disappointing the Bretonnian transfers are, just axes and fleur-de-lis. I do not know if it is the NZ dollar confusing my brain but compared to the metals dare I say that some of the resin miniatures are *reasonably* priced?

Ogres, lizardmen and chaos dwarves old models had these racial stereotypes that I guess wont be missed or rereleased by nuGW.

Daemons as a single faction was always a bit offlore and then that whole 7th edition AB made them cancer.

I dont see why Skaven and VC are not released though, they were top sellers IIRC.

My best guess is that GW saw Old World turning into vaporware around 2021 and cut the game in half (size) and forged ahead, skipped kislev and kathai and notions of new models.

I'll just pull up my old Thorek Gunline while you still can get away with being a dick for the first few months (huh, didnt expect it to be that effective bla bla).

 triplegrim wrote:
Ogres, lizardmen and chaos dwarves old models had these racial stereotypes that I guess wont be missed or rereleased by nuGW.

Daemons as a single faction was always a bit offlore and then that whole 7th edition AB made them cancer.

I dont see why Skaven and VC are not released though, they were top sellers IIRC.

Of those armies Ogres, Lizardmen, Skaven and VC are all being sold by GW right now in AoS. The very same models - heck Lizardmen just got an update; Flesheaters (part of the Death and old VC) also got an update. Heck the Vampire faction is basically most of the Death Grand Alliance spliced out and expanded upon. Meanwhile a reliable rumour source on the AoS forums has suggested that Skaven are set for the next big edition release update for AoS.

So all those armies are in a healthy state - just in a different game. It's clear GW want to avoid, as much as possible, duplicating armies/designs/themes across both games.

I am not going to assume Beasts are going anywhere for the time being. Removing them from AoS seems like a terrible move.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Someone was having a little bit of a laugh when they chose this as a focal image for the box

Wait.... Are those gills on his face?

FISHMEN CONFIRMED FOR TOW! 😄

One thing I was surprised about whilst watching the GW batrep was that they decided to stick with Tomb Kings not being able to march their units. It seems like a unit with a character in can choose between several buffs, after passing a leadership test, one of which is d3 extra movement.

To my mind, that's a disappointing choice. I appreciate that the army is no longer held to a slowed movement by the fickle nature of dispel dice, which was a pain in previous editions, but it's still going to be painful when you fail those leadership tests. A small area effect for marching based around characters, or simply removing the no march rules would have been more fun. My will be done could have then had a positive effect, like allowing you to march, even when the enemy was close, instead of simply removing a painful handicap.

I'll wait to see some rules and batreps before I judge it too harshly but it feels like the game designers were stuck in the previous edition rules instead of thinking about player experience.

At the moment I'm really not appreciating the direction of the tomb king launch. Crappy old plastics, a dragon that has no basis in previous lore (that I'm aware of) and shonky rules. I found some nice stls to use, but if the rules aren't fun either, I'm not sure any of my time king minis (new or old) would ever see the table.

Hopefully, in a few hours I can see a few more rules, find that my pessimism was misplaced and I can turn my frown upside down.

Im not terribly familiar with old warhammer, but aside from the Leader on the Pegasus are any of the other units in the starter box new sculpts? And does the USD conversion really come out to $360 USD for old plastic skeletons?

Removed for rule 1.

So, how many years with no Kislev or Cathay release before we can finally admit the scope changed from the early announcements and they were cut? 3? 5?

If you don’t expect to see Kislev in 3 to 5 years please also don’t smugly state GW wasn’t pulling a bait and switch, because it’s clear they totally were. Those promised factions were the only reason some of us have kept following this ferkakte thread.

A few minutes until the Australian release. I don't know why they use AWST to define the Australian release time now when only about 10% of the population live in the western timezone and over 80% live in the eastern states.

Anyway... my prediction, the big boxed sets sell out almost instantly at discounters, and hang around for a while at stores that charge full price.

Even more weird since they used to use AEST (or AEDT? I can't remember) until a few years ago, and as far as I can tell the Australian Head Office is still in NSW...

Looks like they are selling out, but not super fast. When other big launches happened the sites that show stock levels they they go from 10's or even 100's of stock to zero in a few minutes, in this case it didn't look like stores had much stock to begin with.

$435AUD for the Bret box, $490AUD for the TK one.

I'll be sitting this one out though.

I would like a set of dice, mainly to get another artillery dice... but $74 for a set of 20 dice? Ouch. Don't want them THAT much.

According to this…

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/02/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-how-the-new-old-lore-was-written/

“Magnus the Pious isn’t a featured character just yet,”

…it looks like the timeline will eventually advance to the Great War against Chaos. That’s 100 years from where The Old World is starting out at. So maybe the plan is to do with those other armies what they did with the Cities of Sigmar? Redo the army into AOS style and then shuffle the older models back over to TOW once the new range can stand on its own two feet?

For instance, Skaven are supposed to be the big starter army for AOS 4th edition. That would be a good opportunity to redo the whole army. Once they’ve done that, there’s no need to hang on to the older sculpts, and they can go be moved over to TOW. As they’ve indicated, they’re moving up to the Great War, and that’s the time period when the Skaven come back out and make their presence felt again. So that would actually be a perfect time to reintroduce them as a playable army. The Lizardmen, likewise, recently got a huge range refresh for AOS. So maybe we might see their return with their older models sooner than later?

Chopxsticks wrote:
Im not terribly familiar with old warhammer, but aside from the Leader on the Pegasus are any of the other units in the starter box new sculpts?

For Bretonnians? No. They couldn't possibly have made any more new models, as this is a brand new and completely original game, and no one currently at GW knows how to sculpt comparatively grounded fantasy models any more. Or so I've been told.

Chopxsticks wrote:
And does the USD conversion really come out to $360 USD for old plastic skeletons?

Yup. Nostalgia is expensive, apparently.

Cyel wrote:
I am currently watching the battle report from GW and it doesn't look too great. It looks like they move units pretty quickly and then the dice autopilot turns on and they roll and roll and re-roll, and roll again, charge range, fear tests, hits, wounds, saves, regeneration, wards... Looks terribly boring tbh to see a game where players are needed for like 20% of playing time, and the rest of the time they just perform the menial role of being living random number generators for the game.

Sounds like standard GW game design then!

AUD$145 for 3 ancient metal Ushabti?

Yeah feth that...

Hmm not surprised at all that in Aus not even 20mins in and can't seem to find any online retailers I normally use have any Old World left. For all the talk and doubts etc they really did go quick. FOMO is strong with this release.

Even though I calculated prices from other GW stores world wide with their currencies, USA and UK, there were a few kits that were priced higher than expected. I wonder if this is another little stealth price increase or just what I will now call 'the nostalgia tax'.

Anyway like many I now wonder how long reprints take and wave 2 with the foot knights and trebuchet etc.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Hmm not surprised at all that in Aus not even 20mins in and can't seem to find any online retailers I normally use have any Old World left. For all the talk and doubts etc they really did go quick. FOMO is strong with this release.

It's always hard to say how much is FOMO and how much is just low stock levels. It didn't seem like they were selling fast, just that there wasn't much there to begin with.

Books have gone, the boxed sets are still available on some sites I frequent.

When I checked The Combat Company a few minutes after launch, they still had 7 sets of Bretonnian boxes, and it took maybe 10 minutes for those 7 sets to disappear. They still have 6 sets of the Tomb Kings 55 minutes after release (had 21 when I first checked). Given the volume that TCC sells, I don't think this is particularly exceptionally fast sales. I believe them and GapGames are the two largest etailers out here.

An interesting one is 3 different stores I checked that I've bought from in the past don't even have them listed? As in, not sold out, but never even put up. Maybe the site operators are on holidays or something, lol, a lot of Australians take holidays around this time. That might certainly contribute to other online stores selling out faster.

The actual GW site itself still had stock of everything when I last checked, but I tried to check again and got dumped back into a queue.

EDIT: Just got in on the GW site again, an hour after launch and nothing has sold out on the official store. So I doubt they're moving huge volumes of stock. Legions Imperialis started running out faster than that (though I'd think LI also was suffering from low stock levels). It's certainly not like Leviathan where was literally hundreds of boxes on online retailers that disappeared in minutes. Though it is hard to compare, because in the case of Leviathan several places didn't honour their pre-pre-order-reservations, though it gives some indication of the order of magnitude we're talking about.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Hmm not surprised at all that in Aus not even 20mins in and can't seem to find any online retailers I normally use have any Old World left. For all the talk and doubts etc they really did go quick. FOMO is strong with this release.

Even though I calculated prices from other GW stores world wide with their currencies, USA and UK, there were a few kits that were priced higher than expected. I wonder if this is another little stealth price increase or just what I will now call 'the nostalgia tax'.

Anyway like many I now wonder how long reprints take and wave 2 with the foot knights and trebuchet etc.

Mperor still has some Tomb Kings and Bret models left if you're quick, but all the books and the Bret Box are already sold out

^Possibly low stock levels, or short supplies as much as FOMO agreed.

Sometimes there's delays with online sites available quantities left, regardless The Combat Company has no Bretonnian boxes left. I'm not really worried if they sold out in the first five minutes or if it took ten minutes, they still sold out. People are prepared to pay huge amounts for this product line, even more so than other GW games.

I do believe though The Combat Company does a pre-order pre-order for customers interested, they take details through their Facebook page before they even put what stock they have online. Meaning possibly the available stock online at launch is less because they've already allocated some to their regular customers.


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That queue system is pretty frustrating at times.

Just wondered, is this the first time a launch (re-launch) rulebook sold out online?

I don't know if currently GW has any left but the online retailers seem to have no books left.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
EDIT: Just got in on the GW site again, an hour after launch and nothing has sold out on the official store. So I doubt they're moving huge volumes of stock. Legions Imperialis started running out faster than that (though I'd think LI also was suffering from low stock levels). It's certainly not like Leviathan where was literally hundreds of boxes on online retailers that disappeared in minutes. Though it is hard to compare, because in the case of Leviathan several places didn't honour their pre-pre-order-reservations, though it gives some indication of the order of magnitude we're talking about

Given GW said they'd make additional sets as required, I wouldn't be shocked if pre-orders were left open even if all the stock was sold already.

It's selling out at stockists.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
EDIT: Just got in on the GW site again, an hour after launch and nothing has sold out on the official store. So I doubt they're moving huge volumes of stock. Legions Imperialis started running out faster than that (though I'd think LI also was suffering from low stock levels). It's certainly not like Leviathan where was literally hundreds of boxes on online retailers that disappeared in minutes. Though it is hard to compare, because in the case of Leviathan several places didn't honour their pre-pre-order-reservations, though it gives some indication of the order of magnitude we're talking about

Given GW said they'd make additional sets as required, I wouldn't be shocked if pre-orders were left open even if all the stock was sold already.

Historically when GW have done something like that, they go out of stock when the physical stock goes, then they go back up with the preorder description changed from "preorder ships <insert date for next week>" to a message saying preorders may ship in as much as 180 days (or whatever). Currently, the Bret box still says shipping on the 10th, so I'm going to guess they're still selling physical stock rather than MTO.

Although, the new GW site is very crap, maybe you're right and they just haven't updated the date. I'd be pretty unhappy if I preordered something with a date of the 10th, my card was charged, then I was told it'll be 6 months.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's selling out at stockists.

This is Australia, everything always sells out at online discounters

I wont be surprised if a lot of stuff sells out. There are plenty of Tomb King and Bretonnia fanboysandgirls out there, and there are plenty of models in both ranges that people would want for other purposes and conversions as well.

There's also plenty of people that will use this as an opportunity to finish off collections that have been collecting dust since 8th edition WHFB so they can continue playing their chosen version of WHFB with their chosen faction.

The big question that we will never know is: how much was produced and will GW see it as a success? The answers are probably "not much" and "yes" regardless of anyone's personal feelings.

drbored wrote:
The big question that we will never know is: how much was produced and will GW see it as a success? The answers are probably "not much" and "yes" regardless of anyone's personal feelings.

It's really hard to say. But when Leviathan came out, I made this post in the 40k thread....

Managed to get one (a Leviathan set) from an online store (the combat company) at a little more than 20% off, but it went from ~100 available to 0 available in a minute or so. Gap Games was funny, saw 600+ available when I first clicked on it, refreshed a few seconds later and it was 300 available, a minute or two later and it was gone. Several other online stores went straight to "sold out" as soon as they refreshed.

This is in spite of those stores having limits of 1 per customer.

So when TCC had 21 sets of TK remaining a few minutes after launch, and an hour later they still had 6 sets (sold out now though) and took 10 minutes to sell the 7 remaining sets of Bretonnian sets... we're talking 1 or 2 orders of magnitude less sales than Leviathan. Of course I don't expect TOW to sell as much as Leviathan, but 1 or 2 orders of magnitude less? I don't think we're talking big numbers of kits being shifted.

It is interesting that GW listed The Old World as a main game on their website instead of "Other Game" like they did with Legions Imperialis.

Remember that Brets and TK were among the least popular WHFB factions, so... it might just be that all the TWW hype hasn't moved the needle.

Actuve wrote:
I am not going to assume Beasts are going anywhere for the time being. Removing them from AoS seems like a terrible move.

White fang seemed to say that this was where things were heading on TGA, also said chorfs coming next edition of AoS.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, how many years with no Kislev or Cathay release before we can finally admit the scope changed from the early announcements and they were cut? 3? 5?

If you don’t expect to see Kislev in 3 to 5 years please also don’t smugly state GW wasn’t pulling a bait and switch, because it’s clear they totally were. Those promised factions were the only reason some of us have kept following this ferkakte thread.

I expect kislev by this time next year *shrug*

 Chief Librarian Mephiston wrote:
According to this…

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/02/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-how-the-new-old-lore-was-written/

“Magnus the Pious isn’t a featured character just yet,”

…it looks like the timeline will eventually advance to the Great War against Chaos. That’s 100 years from where The Old World is starting out at. So maybe the plan is to do with those other armies what they did with the Cities of Sigmar? Redo the army into AOS style and then shuffle the older models back over to TOW once the new range can stand on its own two feet?

For instance, Skaven are supposed to be the big starter army for AOS 4th edition. That would be a good opportunity to redo the whole army. Once they’ve done that, there’s no need to hang on to the older sculpts, and they can go be moved over to TOW. As they’ve indicated, they’re moving up to the Great War, and that’s the time period when the Skaven come back out and make their presence felt again. So that would actually be a perfect time to reintroduce them as a playable army. The Lizardmen, likewise, recently got a huge range refresh for AOS. So maybe we might see their return with their older models sooner than later?

The start date is 25 yrs prior, but the times pan of the narrative era they are playing in starts 75 years befire that. They were quite clear the plan is not to work towards the Great War, and instead to hop around and cover a bunch of events, and that the great War is a long way off and not coming anytime soon.