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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

drbored wrote:
The big question that we will never know is: how much was produced and will GW see it as a success? The answers are probably "not much" and "yes" regardless of anyone's personal feelings.

It's really hard to say. But when Leviathan came out, I made this post in the 40k thread....

Managed to get one (a Leviathan set) from an online store (the combat company) at a little more than 20% off, but it went from ~100 available to 0 available in a minute or so. Gap Games was funny, saw 600+ available when I first clicked on it, refreshed a few seconds later and it was 300 available, a minute or two later and it was gone. Several other online stores went straight to "sold out" as soon as they refreshed.

This is in spite of those stores having limits of 1 per customer.

So when TCC had 21 sets of TK remaining a few minutes after launch, and an hour later they still had 6 sets (sold out now though) and took 10 minutes to sell the 7 remaining sets of Bretonnian sets... we're talking 1 or 2 orders of magnitude less sales than Leviathan. Of course I don't expect TOW to sell as much as Leviathan, but 1 or 2 orders of magnitude less? I don't think we're talking big numbers of kits being shifted.

It is interesting that GW listed The Old World as a main game on their website instead of "Other Game" like they did with Legions Imperialis.

Not a bad way to get a temperature on things, but as long as the stuff sells out, it's a success. It means GW and many of their trade accounts went through all the stock they produced within a day or even a weekend. That all looks good on paper. Now, the big tell will be if many physical locations get a bunch of boxes of stuff and then they... sit on them.

My local store does a lot of volume of just about everything, but we still have a couple of Flesh Eater Courts Launch Boxes on the wall that don't seem to want to move. Eventually, they will sell, but it's one of those hints that the demand outside of potentially scalpers and hardcore fans might not be there.

That's been the case with many of the AoS sets, at least in the US. It seems they do better in the UK (or GW comparatively underallocates to the UK vs the US).

As a temperature check though, it really depends how GW forecasts sales and scales production. I'd like to assume that based on industry norms and GWs own known means of operating and expected ROI horizons that their initial production wave is meant to achieve initial profitability for a new product launch, but sometimes the estimated numbers on these launch waves just seem suspiciously low

Ok I am genuinely sick of GW's site (haven't really had the need to use it until now), what a mess to navigate. This is beating a dead horse, but I genuinely thought nothing would make me miss the previous one.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Ok I am genuinely sick of GW's site (haven't really had the need to use it until now), what a mess to navigate. This is beating a dead horse, but I genuinely thought nothing would make me miss the previous one.

It is truly awful. I too miss the pretty bad iteration before this one.

Well the queue is over on the site and Asia/Pacific area still has just about everything in stock still except the bretonnia cards.

I guess we'll see how tomorrow goes.

Yeah, I still find the gw site less intuitive, less functional, less convenient, more difficult to navigate, etc than what it replaced. Honestly, as a long time customer I have a lot of difficulty finding anything on it, browsing seems almost nonexistent as a function, etc. I can't imagine how a new less experienced customer would be able to research the product range and find things to purchase on it.

They apparently have an (overpriced) map of the Empire, Bret & the Badlands online, but you'd only know about it if you went to the terribly organised "New & Exclusives" tab or if it appeared in the "Related Items" section of something you're looking at.

Spent a while trying to see if I could find it elsewhere out of curiousity when I discovered it - couldn't find it anywhere else on the store

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, how many years with no Kislev or Cathay release before we can finally admit the scope changed from the early announcements and they were cut? 3? 5?

If you don’t expect to see Kislev in 3 to 5 years please also don’t smugly state GW wasn’t pulling a bait and switch, because it’s clear they totally were. Those promised factions were the only reason some of us have kept following this ferkakte thread.

They never promised them on launch. If you were silly enough to lnvent such promise out of your head that's on you. You don't command gw.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Looks like they are selling out, but not super fast. When other big launches happened the sites that show stock levels they they go from 10's or even 100's of stock to zero in a few minutes, in this case it didn't look like stores had much stock to begin with.

$435AUD for the Bret box, $490AUD for the TK one.

I'll be sitting this one out though.

I would like a set of dice, mainly to get another artillery dice... but $74 for a set of 20 dice? Ouch. Don't want them THAT much.

Dunno. Thanks to queue leviathan was available for hours

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

drbored wrote:
The big question that we will never know is: how much was produced and will GW see it as a success? The answers are probably "not much" and "yes" regardless of anyone's personal feelings.

It's really hard to say. But when Leviathan came out, I made this post in the 40k thread....

Managed to get one (a Leviathan set) from an online store (the combat company) at a little more than 20% off, but it went from ~100 available to 0 available in a minute or so. Gap Games was funny, saw 600+ available when I first clicked on it, refreshed a few seconds later and it was 300 available, a minute or two later and it was gone. Several other online stores went straight to "sold out" as soon as they refreshed.

This is in spite of those stores having limits of 1 per customer.

So when TCC had 21 sets of TK remaining a few minutes after launch, and an hour later they still had 6 sets (sold out now though) and took 10 minutes to sell the 7 remaining sets of Bretonnian sets... we're talking 1 or 2 orders of magnitude less sales than Leviathan. Of course I don't expect TOW to sell as much as Leviathan, but 1 or 2 orders of magnitude less? I don't think we're talking big numbers of kits being shifted.

It is interesting that GW listed The Old World as a main game on their website instead of "Other Game" like they did with Legions Imperialis.

Everything it sells an order of magnitude less than 40k, no point in comparing to it

I think there is also a bit of extra hesitancy surrounding this than Leviathan. Most people in 9th were going to jump to 10th due to it being the new supported 40k edition and would 100% be massively played so not much of a reason not jump into it.

Even if I would be interested in both bretonnia and TK, and I am (I bought a huge Empire of Dust army cause i missed out on TK before), I am not going to buy anything from GW until I have tried the rules and been able to accurately gauge the interest locally. Might be that the people who play the old editions, 9th age or KoW jump over to this after trying it out and the community is once again united in playing a single version of the game and people who have been hesitant to start now joins in as well. If that is the case I will start spending money but if not I will just continue to play mesbg and once a year dust of my old wfb 7th empire army and play a game of KoW/9th/WFB before putting it back on the shelf.

I know a few others at the club that is in the same situation. We are hesitant and hope it is good but we won't splurge until we feel confident that it is worth. We have been burned badly by GW before when it comes to this.

It is obviously too early to gauge success or failure regarding TOW. However, there are a number of issues I see for trying to get new and younger players into the system:

1. Mixed plastic/resin/metal armies. To us older hobbyists it is mostly not an issue but to younger ones metal miniatures, and to a lesser extent resin, is a scary and unknown prospect. If all you have ever dealt with is sprued plastic a new material that requires new techniques to deal with construction could be seen as a barrier to entry. Then you see the cost of this "exotic" material...ouch.

2. Potential opponents/WHFB fans already have a head start with old armies and entire collections of miniatures. That is a scary prospect to try and catch up with in terms of time and expense. If all your opponents have to do is rebase and buy and paint the odd new character or unit you are going to have to really invest time into it.

3. A catch all for old and new players, it is literally the worst possible time financially to be launching a new game. Post Christmas and New Year, at a time when a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck a financial investment of probably hundred(s) of whatever your currency is may be a stretch in the first weeks of January. Obviously the truly hyped will have been budgeting and saved but that is a luxury that a lot of people do not have.

That said still very early, I hope this succeeds long term as I think that Warhammer is a lot richer with a form of old school Fantasy Battles around.

There's a pre queue for the queue on GW site

GW haters “there’s not much demand for this”
Gw website “I’ll hold your beer whilst you join the queue for the queue for the website, cheers”

🙄

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
GW haters “there’s not much demand for this”
Gw website “I’ll hold your beer whilst you join the queue for the queue for the website, cheers”
🙄

GW's website: is a nonfunctional piece of gak
GW fanboys: "This just means it's too popular!"

For those still wondering, here is a review of the Tomb Kings Core set with high-res sprue pics and the contents page of the book:

https://taleofpainters.com/2024/01/review-the-old-world-core-set-tomb-kings-of-khemri-edition/

As I posted earlier, from what I've heard from retailers, stock is low, and I expect to sell out a lot of products this weekend, like with the Legions Imperialis release.

Well, Kutami.de says they're shipping ToW preorderes on the 30th of March.

 stahly wrote:
For those still wondering, here is a review of the Tomb Kings Core set with high-res sprue pics and the contents page of the book:

https://taleofpainters.com/2024/01/review-the-old-world-core-set-tomb-kings-of-khemri-edition/

As I posted earlier, from what I've heard from retailers, stock is low, and I expect to sell out a lot of products this weekend, like with the Legions Imperialis release.

Great work as ever Stahly. No Bretonnian set for you then? A shame they could not get some of the new minis out to you.

 stahly wrote:
For those still wondering, here is a review of the Tomb Kings Core set with high-res sprue pics and the contents page of the book:

https://taleofpainters.com/2024/01/review-the-old-world-core-set-tomb-kings-of-khemri-edition/

As I posted earlier, from what I've heard from retailers, stock is low, and I expect to sell out a lot of products this weekend, like with the Legions Imperialis release.

Could you please post here (or on your website) the high res pics of all skeletons (on foot) sprues?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 stahly wrote:
For those still wondering, here is a review of the Tomb Kings Core set with high-res sprue pics and the contents page of the book:

https://taleofpainters.com/2024/01/review-the-old-world-core-set-tomb-kings-of-khemri-edition/

As I posted earlier, from what I've heard from retailers, stock is low, and I expect to sell out a lot of products this weekend, like with the Legions Imperialis release.

Great work as ever Stahly. No Bretonnian set for you then? A shame they could not get some of the new minis out to you.

No, just the Tomb Kings. But next week I'll post a closer look at the book and all of its section

Managed to get a rulebook from Wayland.

Weird that the dice were not discounted from them. Travelling Man still have most dice in stock at the time of writing and even with shipping is less than Wayland or GW at full RRP.

I didn't realise the cards were direct only. That's the only reason I'm sat in GW's stupid queue yet. I've been in it since it opened at twenty to ten ish - still estimating I'll get in at 10:47.

What a joke. God help us when something like The End and the Death volume 3 ships.

 The Phazer wrote:
Managed to get a rulebook from Wayland.

Weird that the dice were not discounted from them. Travelling Man still have most dice in stock at the time of writing and even with shipping is less than Wayland or GW at full RRP.

I didn't realise the cards were direct only. That's the only reason I'm sat in GW's stupid queue yet. I've been in it since it opened at twenty to ten ish - still estimating I'll get in at 10:47.

What a joke. God help us when something like The End and the Death volume 3 ships.

Wayland don't seem to have discounted anything of the major releases beyond the books. I got a copy of the Bretonnian box at Firestorm for 10% off and that was the best I could find - we'll see if it actually turns up.

Bretonnia and Khemri unboxing also available here:
https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/01/06/warhammer-the-old-world-kingdom-of-bretonnia-unboxing/

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/01/06/warhammer-the-old-world-tomb-kings-of-khemri-unboxing/

Got the Bretonnian box from the FLGS as they are doing 10% off but just got onto the GW site and the Maiden and foot paladin are sold out already.

Ash mentioned a company doing HIPS 30x30 and 60x30 bases in his ToW review video

https://whitedragonminiatures.co.uk/plastic-bases/

MaxT wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

drbored wrote:
The big question that we will never know is: how much was produced and will GW see it as a success? The answers are probably "not much" and "yes" regardless of anyone's personal feelings.

It's really hard to say. But when Leviathan came out, I made this post in the 40k thread....

Managed to get one (a Leviathan set) from an online store (the combat company) at a little more than 20% off, but it went from ~100 available to 0 available in a minute or so. Gap Games was funny, saw 600+ available when I first clicked on it, refreshed a few seconds later and it was 300 available, a minute or two later and it was gone. Several other online stores went straight to "sold out" as soon as they refreshed.

This is in spite of those stores having limits of 1 per customer.

So when TCC had 21 sets of TK remaining a few minutes after launch, and an hour later they still had 6 sets (sold out now though) and took 10 minutes to sell the 7 remaining sets of Bretonnian sets... we're talking 1 or 2 orders of magnitude less sales than Leviathan. Of course I don't expect TOW to sell as much as Leviathan, but 1 or 2 orders of magnitude less? I don't think we're talking big numbers of kits being shifted.

It is interesting that GW listed The Old World as a main game on their website instead of "Other Game" like they did with Legions Imperialis.

Everything it sells an order of magnitude less than 40k, no point in comparing to it

I would never expect it to sell more than 40k, but at its peak Warhammer was quite popular in Australia, and we're talking its first edition in almost 14 years, I'd be hoping it to sell reasonably well. It's not like Epic/Legions Imperialis that was only ever a niche within a niche.

It would be interesting to know what the cross section of old WHFB think of the new edition. 8th edition itself was not well received. Would be impossible to know though, because lots of old WHFB players don't frequent forums so it'd be nearly impossible to poll them.

Obviously if GW sell out, then GW can be happy with their results, but selling out I don't think is a great measure of general success as the community might measure it (especially if we're only talking online discounters in Australia where online discounters almost always sell out quickly).

I see the queue is back up again on the GW site, so I guess we'll see how it goes in the rest of the world now.

 kodos wrote:
Bretonnia and Khemri unboxing also available here:
https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/01/06/warhammer-the-old-world-kingdom-of-bretonnia-unboxing/

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/01/06/warhammer-the-old-world-tomb-kings-of-khemri-unboxing/

Thanks! This one has all the pics I was looking for

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
GW haters “there’s not much demand for this”
Gw website “I’ll hold your beer whilst you join the queue for the queue for the website, cheers”

🙄

I don't really trust the GW queue system, located on one of the worst designed sites I've seen, is representative of anything much.

Animosity was a big topic a few weeks ago and it's now confirmed that it is gone completely but some Orcs have a rule that they have a 50% chance of being forced to charge if able, and characters mitigate that.

Am I understanding correctly, the starter sets do NOT come with an artillery dice, but the dice sets sold separately do? Does the game use an artillery dice, or no?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Am I understanding correctly, the starter sets do NOT come with an artillery dice, but the dice sets sold separately do? Does the game use an artillery dice, or no?

Nothing in the starter needs one, however it’s likely that artillery will and various races have equivalents to that.