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I don't get the complaints about FOMO. From what I understand everything will be back and continued to be sold with the exception of the die and probably the cards.

Am I missing something?

FOMO can be triggered by "difficult to get" just as much as it is "limited production".

Look at the PS5 for example - not sure if its currently still in the realm of "you need to line up 3 days in advance to buy it and hope you get lucky" or if they finally have enough stock to meet demand, but for a long time even though it wasn't a limited release item there was a mad rush by people to get them and people were spending unreasonable amounts of money to get them secondhand on ebay, etc. when they missed out. Even though if they just waited patiently they would have a better chance of getting one later.

Thats FOMO.

Semper wrote:
I was quite excited for this until I saw it was based around a significant number of veteran sculpts (at least from what I saw, open to be corrected).

I get it - allow fans to use existing models and get something out sooner rather than later. It's commendable and I can almost see it as something of an apology letter.

However, I was looking for a total re-fresh. I don't own any fantasy armies (a few scattering of models) and I don't want to buy 20yo sculpts for a new game, especially when they're so expensive. I'll probably start Conquest LAK instead.

Edit: If they wanted to sell me 2003's models, they should offer them at 2003's prices.

a) full refresh too many SKU's unless you want to start with like just 2 armies and get new one maybe once a year
b) you don't get anything in 2003 prices anymore even if it hasn't been changed so good luck with that hope.

When something is difficult rather than limited FOMO does change somewhat. For those happy to wait then it more becomes an inconvenience which can still leave a bad taste in the mouth of the consumer but is forgotten over time. These people are also taken out of the potential market for scalpers.

For some however they need the product and difficult to get is as bad as FOMO. This can be down purely due to excitement for the product or it can have more practical reasons. Lets say two friends want to play and intend to get a box each. If one gets hold of one but the other doesn't the one who doesn't may end up feeling bad at letting the other friend down, jealous the other friend was able to get something or any other myriad of social and personal pressures.

Personally I assumed these would be one and done so I let fate decide if I'd get a box and join the game. I missed out so assumed I was out. The one time I wouldn't mind if GW didn't do re-prints and they are (though I am pleased for those who missed and really want them). Where were the reprints when they made all of three copies of Ashes of Faith and sent them out to influencers only.

Again the Tomb Guard models are effectively cheaper than they were when released first 10-12 years ago.

They were 32,50 Euro for 10
Now they are 60 Euro for 20

 Astmeister wrote:
The most funny things I found in the army books yet.

Empire can have infinite amounts of Lvl 4 sorcerers (6 at 2000).
Dwarf Gyros with up to 6 a unit. Which can drop 6D6 bombs AP1 and additionally shoot 6D3+6 S5 AP2 shots. Oh and can flee and shoot... XD

Where are you getting a decent look at them? All I can see are fuzzy videos where I can't even make out enough to work out how to build my Anachnarok to fit it in a 2k list with a giant!

 Astmeister wrote:
Again the Tomb Guard models are effectively cheaper than they were when released first 10-12 years ago.

They were 32,50 Euro for 10
Now they are 60 Euro for 20

And the Ushabti are now triple the price. What's your point?

Man, the negativity here, on top of the outright nonsense being spouted (low effort game, less than a year, whaaaaaaa things are expensive) is absolutely ridiculous.

The ruleset is fantastic. If you wanted a streamlined ruleset, they literally already have games for you. Both AOS and 10th edition 40k couldn’t be simpler. The rest of us actually wanted Warhammer Fantasy, and that’s what we got.

The seven factions that are “legacy” are literally all available to buy, whether original models or updated scults, and who gives a gak what GW says? TO’s will do what needs to be done just as we have for literally decades now to ensure they are playable.

This is a specialist game made by a small team. The game has been in play testing for over a year now, and after having seen people go through the rulebook, it seems like they did a great job fixing a lot of the problems WHFB had at the end of its life.

Almost everything is sold out everywhere, so people saying we don’t know idf launch was a success are being ridiculous. Selling out is the definition of success, and everyone I know was able to get everything they wanted except for the resin models that seem to have been delayed in America for whatever reason. Stuff happens.

The hilarious thing is that those who aren’t happy seem to feel the need to scream about it as loudly as possible. Not happy? Don’t play. The rest of us will be having a blast playing the game we love with the models we want to play it with.

And the people who don’t like old sculpts realize there are dozens of STL’s online, and even if they don’t have a printer, I guarantee all but the smallest towns now have a printing service. Seriously, every single fantasy army has beautiful models out there you can buy and use. Nobody is holding s gun to your head and making you play GW models. Except for GW’s own events, I have never seen a TO stop anyone from playing 3rd party models.


The ruleset looks great. The FoF/RH are great indexes, and the Arcane Journals are completely unnecessary. Otherwise, MM/MWG have said the Legacy PDF factions are just as fleshed out as the official factions, and that they are very playable.

Also, making models is expensive. I don’t know why people think old sculpts should be cheaper because they aren’t new? They take the same manpower, time, storage, and shipping costs (more in the case of metal). Saying otherwise is the dumb opinion of people who have never run a business and don’t understand the costs associated with production and retail.

Some of you really need some joy in your lives.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Astmeister wrote:
Again the Tomb Guard models are effectively cheaper than they were when released first 10-12 years ago.

They were 32,50 Euro for 10
Now they are 60 Euro for 20

And the Ushabti are now triple the price. What's your point?

Yes, because working with and shipping metal is far more expensive than it was in 2003. Smaller production runs also increase costs. I’m sorry simple business realities escape you?

 GenericLordOnPegasus wrote:
Man, the negativity here, on top of the outright nonsense being spouted (low effort game, less than a year, whaaaaaaa things are expensive) is absolutely ridiculous.

The ruleset is fantastic. If you wanted a streamlined ruleset, they literally already have games for you. Both AOS and 10th edition 40k couldn’t be simpler. The rest of us actually wanted Warhammer Fantasy, and that’s what we got.

The seven factions that are “legacy” are literally all available to buy, whether original models or updated scults, and who gives a gak what GW says? TO’s will do what needs to be done just as we have for literally decades now to ensure they are playable.

This is a specialist game made by a small team. The game has been in play testing for over a year now, and after having seen people go through the rulebook, it seems like they did a great job fixing a lot of the problems WHFB had at the end of its life.

Almost everything is sold out everywhere, so people saying we don’t know idf launch was a success are being ridiculous. Selling out is the definition of success, and everyone I know was able to get everything they wanted except for the resin models that seem to have been delayed in America for whatever reason. Stuff happens.

The hilarious thing is that those who aren’t happy seem to feel the need to scream about it as loudly as possible. Not happy? Don’t play. The rest of us will be having a blast playing the game we love with the models we want to play it with.

And the people who don’t like old sculpts realize there are dozens of STL’s online, and even if they don’t have a printer, I guarantee all but the smallest towns now have a printing service. Seriously, every single fantasy army has beautiful models out there you can buy and use. Nobody is holding s gun to your head and making you play GW models. Except for GW’s own events, I have never seen a TO stop anyone from playing 3rd party models.


The ruleset looks great. The FoF/RH are great indexes, and the Arcane Journals are completely unnecessary. Otherwise, MM/MWG have said the Legacy PDF factions are just as fleshed out as the official factions, and that they are very playable.

Also, making models is expensive. I don’t know why people think old sculpts should be cheaper because they aren’t new? They take the same manpower, time, storage, and shipping costs (more in the case of metal). Saying otherwise is the dumb opinion of people who have never run a business and don’t understand the costs associated with production and retail.

Some of you really need some joy in your lives.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Astmeister wrote:
Again the Tomb Guard models are effectively cheaper than they were when released first 10-12 years ago.

They were 32,50 Euro for 10
Now they are 60 Euro for 20

And the Ushabti are now triple the price. What's your point?

Yes, because working with and shipping metal is far more expensive than it was in 2003. Smaller production runs also increase costs. I’m sorry simple business realities escape you?

I agree, but this is an awfully confrontational first post.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Astmeister wrote:
Again the Tomb Guard models are effectively cheaper than they were when released first 10-12 years ago.

They were 32,50 Euro for 10
Now they are 60 Euro for 20

And the Ushabti are now triple the price. What's your point?

It's a £10 difference with inflation from their last price, £31.50 for them as Finecast in 2015 to £52.50 as Metal in 2024.

I thought Old World models wouldn't be in metal anymore?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Astmeister wrote:
Again the Tomb Guard models are effectively cheaper than they were when released first 10-12 years ago.

They were 32,50 Euro for 10
Now they are 60 Euro for 20

And the Ushabti are now triple the price. What's your point?

£31.50 for them as Finecast in 2015 to £52.50 as Metal in 2024 is not "triple the price".

It's a £10 difference with inflation.

They were £6 each when i last bought them. That's triple to me.

Having now seen Arcane Journals in GMG's review I'd agree they're nowhere near essential. They just add slight skew lists and some more elite versions of the units the list is skewing towards. If anything, they might be too conservative and struggle to maintain long term sales (a good thing for the health of the game in my opinion, but might lead to Journals either being discontinued or to Journal power creep...)

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Astmeister wrote:
Again the Tomb Guard models are effectively cheaper than they were when released first 10-12 years ago.

They were 32,50 Euro for 10
Now they are 60 Euro for 20

And the Ushabti are now triple the price. What's your point?

£31.50 for them as Finecast in 2015 to £52.50 as Metal in 2024 is not "triple the price".

It's a £10 difference with inflation.

They were £6 each when i last bought them. That's triple to me.

Good, sell them for a profit and stop complaining.

Forgive me if i think £55 for three models is a touch excessive.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Astmeister wrote:
Again the Tomb Guard models are effectively cheaper than they were when released first 10-12 years ago.

They were 32,50 Euro for 10
Now they are 60 Euro for 20

And the Ushabti are now triple the price. What's your point?

My point is that someone claimed for old sculpts you should not pay 2023 prices. Well you are not doing this for some units (plastic) but paying the old price.
That it's quite expensive for them to recast the old metal things is logical. They are probably only made to order because independent dealers don't even have them.


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I got most rules because someone snipped them out of the Guerilla Wargames videos.

The LVO is in two weeks and The Old World is already out of the hype cycle. I do wonder when new armies and army sets will become available. Maybe one new army a quarter until 2026. Kislev and Cathay get all new ranges to be completed between 2027 and 2030. With unforeseen delays of course to change those dates. This way the anticipation for The Old World to come out never really ends!

Probably two opposing forces every X months, with Orcs and Goblins being split up for an even 5 waves.

 frankelee wrote:
The LVO is in two weeks and The Old World is already out of the hype cycle.

With the exception of 40K after a big release games do tend to skip the next prview stream if it's within a month or so. Considering the stream is one/two (region dependant) days ahead of TOW stock hitting stores they likely don't want to trample on the release, with shiny new before many have even gotten their hands on it.

LI is also not featured in LVO but that's easy to justify as they've already skipped ahead with showing probably half a year of releases.

What else is there to reveal for Old World? Everything they're going to make is already out j/k

Though I do gotta say, the low-effort BS people are spouting on reddit 'is AoS dead?? Old World forever???' just makes Old World fans look even more insufferable.

The reality that a lot of Old Worlders gotta make their bed with is this: It's going to take a DECADE for Old World to mature. If it does, you'll see it like 30k is now, with more support and new edition and more plastic models.

If, in a Decade, nobody's playing it or buying it? Well, it'll just die again.

So if you want to keep this game around, support it. If you don't, don't.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

They were £6 each when i last bought them. That's triple to me.

Their launch price in White Dwarf 280 is £9, did GW discount them at some point?

The price of Metal skyrocketed back in 2007 which is why Metal was discontinued in favour of plastic/Resin. So metal models will be expensive compared to those other mediums. The fact that the USahbti are back and ALSO in metal means it was always going to be expensive. If you factor in the GW tax, even more so.

So if you don't want to buy GW don't, I don't blame you. Feel free to 3rd party or 3d print yourself alternatives. I certainly wouldn't complain if you turned up to a game without GW models, this is a game of toy soldiers and no ones toys are superior to anyone elses toys.

Santtu wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

They were £6 each when i last bought them. That's triple to me.

Their launch price in White Dwarf 280 is £9, did GW discount them at some point?

So £27 for 3 in 2003 prices?

That would be £57 in todays money. Looks like you are getting them for the same price as 2003 after all lol

MaxT wrote:

Santtu wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

They were £6 each when i last bought them. That's triple to me.

Their launch price in White Dwarf 280 is £9, did GW discount them at some point?

So £27 for 3 in 2003 prices?

That would be £57 in todays money. Looks like you are getting them for the same price as 2003 after all lol

It works out as if they'd been sold at about £29 instead of £27 for the 3 back in 2002. So an increase of about 65p each back then.

Doesn't sound like the huge extravagant price increase some are making it out to be. Certainly not triple the price.

how did you calculate Inflation, as 27 would be 44 in 2023 with EU numbers

Hargreaves Lansdown inflation calculator, was at the top of google. It says:

The cost of goods and services increased by 110.4% over this period.
Your £ 27 would need to have grown by an average of 3.7% per year, just to have kept pace with inflation. If you achieved a lower rate of growth, the real value of your money would have fallen.
*Figures based on the Retail Price Index (RPI) as at November 2023. Source: Office for National Statistics

How much did paychecks ncrease by over the same period?

No, back on topic, take it somewhere else.

Removed - stop it.