Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Pre orders. p.280.

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**Vorian**

If it's being shown this weekend, I don't think we're waiting until June for the next box.

**Warhams-77**

Unfortunately TOW is not listed to be shown at the LVO preview.

@Geifer Okay, good point, but I think it is meant more in a sense of release order than an actual timeframe. They can go back in time for important events of a chaos incursion with campaign books.

**Vorian**

They're showing the next army at the launch event, not at LVO

**Geifer**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Unfortunately TOW is not listed to be shown at the LVO preview.

@Geifer Okay, good point, but I think it is meant more in a sense of release order than an actual timeframe. They can go back in time for important events of a chaos incursion with campaign books.

No worries, I'm just poking a little fun. I don't even know if they feel beholden to the old timelines. Or if timelines even matched across books for that matter.

GW has gone out of their way to toss dates out of 40k and never even started in AoS, presumably because keeping everything lined up is a lot of work that nobody these days at GW seems to want to do. I'm just curious to see the Old World writers' effort. See if they're taking the whole thing seriously or if it's a mess of inaccuracies and retcons.

**chaos0xomega**

Warhams-77 wrote:

Some of Hastings posts in the War of Sigmar comments section may give a hint:

" No, I was told the other races aren’t being made available at launch. More specifically I actually recall being told there will be big boxes for both empire and O&G towards the middle of 2024, along with their respective books AND book to advance the narrative. "

" My understanding is the narrative/timeline heads towards the chaos incursion, with a rumoured plastic war mammoth to accompany the chaos army, if it lasts that long. "

" I was also told there will be books that move forward the narrative/timeline towards the climatic chaos invasion… "

" The skeletons and cavalry are so dated, they look awful next to the new dragon. Im confused as my source definitely said there was a new chariot hero kit. "

https://disqus.com/by/75hastings69/

We can write this off as a work of fiction. Half his posts are basicaly expressing surprise about things, he was very wrong about there being mummy infantry and a new chariot kit, etc. Plus, GWs own statements contradict him, per warcom they are *not* narratively headed towards the chaos invasion, and as of now the narrative hasn't even really started.

Geifer wrote:
GW: This New Bretonnian Lord Was Sculpted in 2008
Me: Yes, I can see that.

Warhams-77 wrote:
" I was also told there will be books that move forward the narrative/timeline towards the climatic chaos invasion… "

If the 7th ed Warriors of Chaos army book is to be believed, the Great War Against Chaos starts in 2271. Current year for the Border Princes thing is 2276 according to Warhammer Community.

I can't stand people who are late for their own war.

The Great War starts in 2301, mightbhave been retconned but that's the date most sources agree with.

**lord_blackfang**

Yea Hastings hasn't been relevant as a rumour source in 15 years.

**Just Tony**

Shadow Walker wrote:
This fella would have problems with those lower horns during the fight. That aside I like him.

You know, I didn't think I needed another Chaos Lord model until now. Wonder if he'll fit on a 25...

**GaroRobe**

Damn it

I waited to long and all the Greywater Fastness and Norgrimm rune throngs were snatched off eBay.

**Just Tony**

GaroRobe wrote:
Damn it

I waited to long and all the Greywater Fastness and Norgrimm rune throngs were snatched off eBay.

Where is "long"?

**GaroRobe**

The curse of autocorrect on a phone

**Manfred von Drakken**

Shadow Walker wrote:
This fella would have problems with those lower horns during the fight. That aside I like him.

I want him, even though I already have several Chaos heroes.

**KidCthulhu**

I remember him from Games Day. He fits on a 25mm but I put mine on 32mm round for my particular gaming needs:

**Manfred von Drakken**

Ugh - minimum 65 bucks on Ebay...

**Kanluwen**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Ugh - minimum 65 bucks on Ebay...

Noble Knight Games is selling one, unopened, the same price I believe?

It really isn't a bad price considering it was a Games Day figure over a decade ago.

**ph34r**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Ugh - minimum 65 bucks on Ebay...

GW bringing it back would probably end up being $45 for the model like we saw with Steel Legion and what, $35 for a commissar that originally cost $8?

**Dysartes**

It is worth noting that the WarCom article does say there is no rerelease planned for the Chaos dude.

**Mentlegen324**

Dysartes wrote:
It is worth noting that the WarCom article does say there is no rerelease planned for the Chaos dude.

Didn't notice that originally, that's a shame.

**Crimson**

Kanluwen wrote:

And here's the unreleased Bretonnian!

I think they made the right call in 2008. It is an abomination. Not just the face, the rest of the sculpt looks wonky too.

**TalonZahn**

Yea, but it's new AND nostalgic at the same time!

**Platuan4th**

Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I can see why it was unreleased in the first place, the head and hands in particular are not good.

More likely they had no slot to release it in considering they weren't yet in the mindset of releasing individual models for an army piecemeal in 2008 and still were generally on the "models released when books for them are" train. As well, GW even in 2008 wasn't above releasing less than stellar looking metal models.

**nathan2004**

GaroRobe wrote:
The dwarf dice were leaked so maybe they’re ready to go? Half their kits are readily available in AoS soooo

Anyone else notice all the dwarf kits are out of stock on the GW site under COS section of AOS?

**Shakalooloo**

Platuan4th wrote:
Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I can see why it was unreleased in the first place, the head and hands in particular are not good.

More likely they had no slot to release it in considering they weren't yet in the mindset of releasing individual models for an army piecemeal in 2008 and still were generally on the "models released when books for them are" train. As well, GW even in 2008 wasn't above releasing less than stellar looking metal models.

The article says it was intended to be a Games Day model.

**Commissar von Toussaint**

Crimson wrote:
I think they made the right call in 2008. It is an abomination. Not just the face, the rest of the sculpt looks wonky too.

You mean real swords don't have blades six inches wide???

**lost_lilliputian**

Hehe people are checking out the Lord but I'm looking at his little helper with his little face.

Where GW says this is a Bretonnian Lord with loyal retainer, I see a Watcher in the Dark with his Calibanite Lord of the Hunt

even reminds me of the one carrying Azraels Hemet too.

Anyway it's nice at least to have another option whether people agree with the sculpt or not. The inclusion of this model should mean rules for Lord's on foot really. How best to use him I'm not entirely sure, stick him in with a unit of Foot Knights maybe. If he's a cheap option maybe hang out the backfield with a trebuchet. Depends if he gives bonuses or has vows etc.

**nathan2004**

Him in a unit of foot knights is probably ideal. Likely why they are releasing him now since that unit is available. Or will be soon lol.

**Dragon-knight77**

nathan2004 wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
The dwarf dice were leaked so maybe they’re ready to go? Half their kits are readily available in AoS soooo

Anyone else notice all the dwarf kits are out of stock on the GW site under COS section of AOS?

that because a bunch of WHF models got mass bought over the week from
Ork warclans maniaks boarboys, wardokk & Wurrgog prophet
beast of chaos Ghorgons/cygors, chariots, giants chaos hounds, bullgors, bestigors & gors
Gloomspite gitz Archanarok, spider-rider
Cities of sigmar Freeguild general/Karl franz, flagellants, steam tank, wizards and some dark elf models

probably by people preparing for TOW or/and more probably sadly scalpers trying to get a head start

**TalonZahn**

Dragon-knight77 wrote:
nathan2004 wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
The dwarf dice were leaked so maybe they’re ready to go? Half their kits are readily available in AoS soooo

Anyone else notice all the dwarf kits are out of stock on the GW site under COS section of AOS?

that because a bunch of WHF models got mass bought over the week from
Ork warclans maniaks boarboys, wardokk & Wurrgog prophet
beast of chaos Ghorgons/cygors, chariots, giants chaos hounds, bullgors, bestigors & gors
Gloomspite gitz Archanarok, spider-rider
Cities of sigmar Freeguild general/Karl franz, flagellants, steam tank, wizards and some dark elf models

probably by people preparing for TOW or/and more probably sadly scalpers trying to get a head start

While some of the items you listed might be correct, the Dwarves were OOS long before the ToW release date was even know.

Most of the CoS units that could be in ToW were OOS when CoS was released, as noted, several pages ago.

**Wyzilla**

I had a lot of fears for TOW/9e but it's good to see it's basically 6e. 2.0 for the most part. The only things that feel off to me are the reduction overall of cavalry saves and dragon lords being disgusting but everything else looks surprisingly... good for once from GW. Kind of surprised to see a more old school ruleset that's tactically deep but I guess somebody in the company is still capable of making a competent wargame. Prices are fairly outrageous for the most part and if I do finally make the jump a 3d printer is going to be involved, but this looks like a great upcoming release overall. Someone might want to FAQ Chaos Warriors though as the 6e style saves put several WOC players I know on suicide watch.

**Dysartes**

Wyzilla wrote:
Someone might want to FAQ Chaos Warriors though as the 6e style saves put several WOC players I know on suicide watch.

They want the save to become even worse? We can work with that...

**Gir Spirit Bane**

Wyzilla wrote:
I Someone might want to FAQ Chaos Warriors though as the 6e style saves put several WOC players I know on suicide watch.

Also armour reduction from attacks in general has never been lower, so saves mean more now. I'm glad they got adjusted.