Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Pre orders. p.280.

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**Olthannon**

A slight understatement to describe Tuomas Pirinen as some Finnish dude who wrote fanfic.

Especially in a Warhammer Fantasy thread.

**lord_blackfang**

Tuomas is writing his own Mordheim 2.0 (Trench Crusade), probably wouldn't be doing that if he knew a direct competitor from GW was coming.

**MaxT**

Tuomas left GW what 15 years ago? More? I’m sure he keeps in touch with some of the old guard but there’s been a hell of a lot of turnover in the studio since he left. I very much doubt he has intimate knowledge what GW are working on nowadays. And even if he did, announcing anything about it would a) get himself sued and b) massively curtail his ability to work in the industry ever again. He’s a professional games designer, not a fan.

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To add I don’t think Mordheim will come out anytime soon, Specialist games have more than enough on their plate and it overlaps too much with Warcry for the main studio to touch it.

**JimmyWolf87**

Overread wrote:
True, however it all depends on the budget and speed. I could certainly see them release some named character old models as generic ones. Either as main models or in the made-to-order waves that they are doing.

Heck Skaven have several old named heroes in AoS that are now just generic characters or which can easily count as generic warriors now.

I fully agree that in the fullness of time Old World will see them release brand new named characters. They might come later since GW might be focusing the budget they have on new core army models, so we might see named heroes as part of a second wave of updates/solo releases after they get past the main bulk of armies.

I think that's when things will get really exciting - when the bulk of the proposed main armies are out and in the wild. Even with old models they will still be in the wild and selling and that means a big chance for GW to then focus fully on made to order re-runs and new stuff

Agree on the point that they could treat prior named characters as generics and just release the models. Skaven are possibly a bad example mind, considering they aren't getting a single model release for TOW unless the GW stance changes (which it obviously could).

'In the fullness of time'? There are quite literally brand new named characters already. The Bret/TK Arcane Journals have new special character rules and the new model releases for them have already been shown off. The releases should be fairly imminent (probably when the Foot Knights etc. are up for sale), not once they've worked through all 9 core army releases.

**Shadow Walker**

So I am reading here that common gobbo plastics are bad because of their proportions. Could someone who owns them post some scale comparison with other warhammer fantasy models?

**The Power Cosmic**

MaxT wrote:
To add I don’t think Mordheim will come out anytime soon, Specialist games have more than enough on their plate and it overlaps too much with Warcry for the main studio to touch it.

Nor should it. A modern Mordheim would be nothing like the original game. Mordheim was about making your dudes (or dudettes), personalizing warbands to the nth level and seeing how they turn out after a campaign's worth of games. Nothing about modern GW allows customization to that degree. Warcry is the modern Mordheim. No thanks.

**Prometheum5**

The Power Cosmic wrote:

Nothing about modern GW allows customization to that degree.

Normally I'd agree, but so far this isn't true for The Old World, with units existing ahead of available models and recommendations for how to convert/represent units that don't exist in the Arcane Journals. I don't think we're getting a Mordheim anytime soon but I don't think it'd be as grim if we did. I'm planning on trying to apply 6E Warhammer Skirmish framework with Old World rules and profiles and see how that goes.

**streetsamurai**

tneva82 wrote:
triplegrim wrote:
NH Gunsmith wrote:
Hmm, so kind of off topic. But if GW is bringing back the Old World for The Old World, is there any chance of them bringing back say Mordheim?

Zero.

The (main?) designer of Mordheim, was a finnish fan dude who made loads of fan edits to warhammer. Got a job offer when GW saw his work and worked in Nottingham for some years.

He's still active and around the Mordheim fb pages. He's said theres not any Mordheim coming whatsoever, and that he'd know if it did.

Also the fanbase of Mordheim is one of those rare fan communities (bc its based on 3d printing terrain I suppose) that wouldnt really care for a rerelease. Maaaaaybe if it was the old set with cardboard building and everything, but nah.

That's if he would be allowed to share the info.

If he's not willing to withold that info until announcement ready he wouldn't be told in the first place.

He's not some random fan but actual professional game designer so not really likely to leak info in the first place.

And of course there's always future. Anybody claiming to know what GW decides to do in 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 15, 20 years from now on is just lying.

If that was the case, I'm pretty sure he just wouldn't comment on it. I blatantly lying would just make him look bad

**SgtEeveell**

The Power Cosmic wrote:
MaxT wrote:
To add I don’t think Mordheim will come out anytime soon, Specialist games have more than enough on their plate and it overlaps too much with Warcry for the main studio to touch it.

Nor should it. A modern Mordheim would be nothing like the original game. Mordheim was about making your dudes (or dudettes), personalizing warbands to the nth level and seeing how they turn out after a campaign's worth of games. Nothing about modern GW allows customization to that degree. Warcry is the modern Mordheim. No thanks.

You just described Necromunda.

**tneva82**

The Power Cosmic wrote:
MaxT wrote:
To add I don’t think Mordheim will come out anytime soon, Specialist games have more than enough on their plate and it overlaps too much with Warcry for the main studio to touch it.

Nor should it. A modern Mordheim would be nothing like the original game. Mordheim was about making your dudes (or dudettes), personalizing warbands to the nth level and seeing how they turn out after a campaign's worth of games. Nothing about modern GW allows customization to that degree. Warcry is the modern Mordheim. No thanks.

Oh. Can't have made it clearer you haven't even slightly checked tow there...

Funny in tow thread without having paid slightest attention to tow.

**SamusDrake**

Mordheim would be the fantasy alternative to Necromunda, which seems as complete as its going to be now that it covers outdoor games.

The TOW model range is unique in that it uses square bases, and new players will probably question what other Warhammer games they can use the models in. Also, Mordheim would be an ideal opportunity for new ye'olde town scenery that could be used in both The Old World and AoS, whereas terrain for AoS is Gryph-Hound statues and floating waterfalls and maybe a bit too fantastic for TOW.

But one thing is for sure is that TOW will not just be only one game, while Horus Heresy has had two boardgame and three epic-scale game spinoffs. And skirmish games are ever popular these days...

**Shadow Walker**

Shadow Walker wrote:
So I am reading here that common gobbo plastics are bad because of their proportions. Could someone who owns them post some scale comparison with other warhammer fantasy models?

Found this review, and now I am no longer interested in them. Night gobbos are so much better models/kit https://collectinggreen.home.blog/2022/02/17/spotlight-on-plastic-common-goblins-part-1-games-workshop/

**Lord Zarkov**

Shadow Walker wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
So I am reading here that common gobbo plastics are bad because of their proportions. Could someone who owns them post some scale comparison with other warhammer fantasy models?

Found this review, and now I am no longer interested in them. Night gobbos are so much better models/kit https://collectinggreen.home.blog/2022/02/17/spotlight-on-plastic-common-goblins-part-1-games-workshop/

Night goblins are a different unit to common goblins and still available in an AoS box.

**Geifer**

Orcs and Goblins were a reasonably popular army at my local store back in the day, but I can't say I've seen anyone field common goblins during 7th and 8th ed. People went with the better forest and night goblin models even back then.

Do common goblins have rules that set them apart enough from the other goblins to give them a distinct role in Old World?

**Voss**

Geifer wrote:
Orcs and Goblins were a reasonably popular army at my local store back in the day, but I can't say I've seen anyone field common goblins during 7th and 8th ed. People went with the better forest and night goblin models even back then.

Do common goblins have rules that set them apart enough from the other goblins to give them a distinct role in Old World?

Light armor and nasty skulkers (who add some killing power to the unit, rather than flinging out fanatics and keeping your fingers crossed)

**Tyel**

I don't think you'd take the regular goblins except for the fun of it.

**Shadow Walker**

Lord Zarkov wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
So I am reading here that common gobbo plastics are bad because of their proportions. Could someone who owns them post some scale comparison with other warhammer fantasy models?

Found this review, and now I am no longer interested in them. Night gobbos are so much better models/kit https://collectinggreen.home.blog/2022/02/17/spotlight-on-plastic-common-goblins-part-1-games-workshop/

Night goblins are a different unit to common goblins and still available in an AoS box.

I know (I own that kit). I was simply commenting common gobbos models, who were new to me (never got them), and possibly interesting (I like goblins). I will stick to my night gobbos.

**Kanluwen**

FYI for US players, a Louisiana GW location announced yesterday that the stuff we didn't get(paladin on foot, sorceress, battle standard bearers) are going up tomorrow.

**Commodus Leitdorf**

Well my books finally arrived. Only a week late but better than never! Snow storm really messed up delivery.

**GrosseSax**

Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Well my books finally arrived. Only a week late but better than never! Snow storm really messed up delivery.

Mine haven't even shipped yet.

**The Phazer**

My cards finally (finally) shipped from GW. No snow excuses in Nottingham.

**bullyboy**

Still waiting on local store to get their initial orders in.

**nathan2004**

Voss wrote:
Geifer wrote:
Orcs and Goblins were a reasonably popular army at my local store back in the day, but I can't say I've seen anyone field common goblins during 7th and 8th ed. People went with the better forest and night goblin models even back then.

Do common goblins have rules that set them apart enough from the other goblins to give them a distinct role in Old World?

Light armor and nasty skulkers (who add some killing power to the unit, rather than flinging out fanatics and keeping your fingers crossed)

What are nasty skulkers...are they like assassins for O&G but not as good as the Skaven or Dark Elf equivalents?

**Matt.Kingsley**

Basically, much like Fanatics they'd be hidden in a unit. You'd reveal them in combat to give your unit some extra hidden killing power

**chaos0xomega**

yep, but unlike fanatics which could be absolutely devastating on top of being conceptually off-the-wall flying rodent gak insane, nasty skulkers were not as exciting mechanically or thematically.

**ListenToMeWarriors**

How are our Aus and NZ friends finding the prices on the MTO stuff on pre order today. Dare I say that it looks like the UK prices *may* not be that bad?

**Overread**

You can set the store to NZ region by clicking the little flag icon in the upper right.

The prices out there seem to be about 3X what they are in £ on the UK store.

Brets:
£33 for the two Damsels
£20 for each Mounted Horse
£10 for individual on foot knights
£20 for the pair of foot knights
£28 for the Pegasus

Now those are only rough, they could be a bit more than that.

**Zenithfleet**

Aussie MTO webstore price examples (with conversions from xe.com):

$84 for the two damsels (about 44 GBP)
$50 for the two pair of foot knights (about 26 GBP)
$25 for an individual foot knight (about 13 GBP)
$50 for a mounted knight (about 26 GBP)

... so the going rate is $25 AUD per bloke on foot. IIRC that's half what some recent outrageous MTOs charged for a single Space Marine mini.

I wonder what the Marauder Giant is going to clock in at...

Edit: Obnoxiously the damsels are $1 shy of free shipping! IT'S A PLOT I TELL YOU.

**Shakalooloo**

Zenithfleet wrote:
Aussie MTO webstore price examples (with conversions from xe.com):

$84 for the two damsels (about 44 GBP)
$50 for the two pair of foot knights (about 26 GBP)
$25 for an individual foot knight (about 13 GBP)
$50 for a mounted knight (about 26 GBP)

... so the going rate is $25 AUD per bloke on foot. IIRC that's half what some recent outrageous MTOs charged for a single Space Marine mini.

I wonder what the Marauder Giant is going to clock in at...

Edit: Obnoxiously the damsels are $1 shy of free shipping! IT'S A PLOT I TELL YOU.

The prices are weird. The mounted and foot combos cost three times a single foot model, so the plastic horse supposedly has the same value as the metal rider? Except for the damsel, who has a little extra thrown on top even though she has less metal to her. And two foot knights are available singly, and the other two as a pair? Why?

**tneva82**

You DO know they don't price by the weight don't you?