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 Ktulhut wrote:

 Overread wrote:

I've got a distinct memory of there being at least one or two sets with a mounted and on foot for horses. I think they might have been elf kits.
It might be GW used them to release two in one sets for a while rather than it being bound to rules.

They did it for every VC bloodline in 6th. 2 sculpts for each (Blood Dragons might have been 3), with a foot and mounted version of each sculpt.

A number of Empire wizards had the same deal, too.

Tyel wrote:
As far as I can remember from at least 4th edition 1 wound mounts have been treated as stuck to the rider, and not a thing in themselves. I.E. you can't direct attacks into them, and they cease to exist when their rider is slain.

This was different for things like monsters and chariots.

yep a regular mount gave you a +1 or 2 for the save, but no wounds

chaos0xomega wrote:
I remember dismounting being a thing, though I can't tell if that's because MESBG has influenced my WHFB memories or not.

My memory is horrible, but I think you might be thinking of LotR perhaps?

As far as I can remember, they were treated as one model in WHFB, it's just GW at some point (6th edition maybe?) decided to start bundling the mounted and unmounted versions together. I remember when I first started (5th edition) I could buy the damsel on foot by herself, but later on when I rebooted my Brets (6th edition I think) I had to buy the foot and mounted ones together.

I just got my dragon ogres in the mail and they came with round bases for sigmar and the correct square bases for Old World. Which I wasn’t expecting since I bought squares just for them. Fortunately these extra bases will just go towards rebasing.

 Overread wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I remember dismounting being a thing, though I can't tell if that's because MESBG has influenced my WHFB memories or not.

I vaguely remember it as a thing for characters on monsters, to cover the situations where the monster got killed out from under you. Not so sure I remember it being a thing for normal cavalry characters, though.

It wasn't for normal horses, just dragons and griffins and the like.

I've got a distinct memory of there being at least one or two sets with a mounted and on foot for horses. I think they might have been elf kits.
It might be GW used them to release two in one sets for a while rather than it being bound to rules.

Yea but that had nothing to do with rules. And especially for plastic models having both food and mounted together saved expense for gw.

Less issue with metal but would reduce sku bloat still.

Oh and as suggested above lotr had option for rider or mount be killed separately. Some mounts might even stay if rider died(wargs for example)

Yeah, you couldn’t be dismounted from a horse back in the day. I do recall that a lot of the monstrous mounts contrived to have the same basic saddle shape as a horse so you could have used the paired minis for a *gasp* kitbashed monster rider.

Of course that’s not a thing in TOW now, which is great because resurrection items bring back the mount too (and fire heart phoenixes print back their riders).

Question to WHF veterans - what GW TOW supported army, based on the existing models, would be good = playable/able to win, for someone with hard plastic only model policy?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Question to WHF veterans - what GW TOW supported army, based on the existing models, would be good = playable/able to win, for someone with hard plastic only model policy?

Probably Empire and Dwarfs, as everyone else would be without their warmachines?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Question to WHF veterans - what GW TOW supported army, based on the existing models, would be good = playable/able to win, for someone with hard plastic only model policy?

Probably Empire and Dwarfs, as everyone else would be without their warmachines?

From those two, it would be Dwarfs because Gyros.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Question to WHF veterans - what GW TOW supported army, based on the existing models, would be good = playable/able to win, for someone with hard plastic only model policy?

The Empire and High Elves.

All thier Units exist as Plastic Kits...

High Elves for certain - at the end of TOW before AOS they were one of the factions that were pretty well updated. They lost a few models in the Island of Blood set that they didn't get updated (light archery cavalry as I recall and a new Seaguard unit)

But yeah everything else for them was in plastic.


Just keep in mind though that GW is likely to add new things to them such as heroes or such which might well be in Forgeworld Resin.

Do keep in mind that a portion of the new plastic High Elves came in the starter box on mixed sprues. We have no idea yet how GW is going to handle these models. So while High Elves have been well supported with plastic models, a few options might not be available.

No idea how Warriors of Chaos are going to do in The Old World, but they had a lot of plastic models as well.

In the BRB photo for High Elves I "think" I can see SeaGuard in the bottom left corner almost just out of shot.

I don't see the cavalry though.

Now it might be GW has taken the masters and made new moulds or that they are going to do a print run of Island of Blood. Or perhaps they just blanked out the Rat half of the mould and will cast up the High Elves on their own. Esp since in theory the Skaven are both not appearing in Old World and they are also rumoured to get a big AoS update with 4th edition.

Indeed the more I think of it the more I think GW could have just taken Island of Blood and blanked out the Skaven parts to cast up the High Elf only

Given we know they're already had to remake various masters, I certainly wouldn't be shocked if we get a recut version of the Isle of Blood Elves, especially if it's just Sea Guard since they'd only really need to recut the command (since they also released a separate set of pushfit Sea Guard alongside IoB)

 Overread wrote:
In the BRB photo for High Elves I "think" I can see SeaGuard in the bottom left corner almost just out of shot.

I don't see the cavalry though.

Now it might be GW has taken the masters and made new moulds or that they are going to do a print run of Island of Blood. Or perhaps they just blanked out the Rat half of the mould and will cast up the High Elves on their own. Esp since in theory the Skaven are both not appearing in Old World and they are also rumoured to get a big AoS update with 4th edition.

Indeed the more I think of it the more I think GW could have just taken Island of Blood and blanked out the Skaven parts to cast up the High Elf only

The Seaguard was also available in a paintset. Perhaps that mould (if it was a seperate mould) could come in handy?

Should be pretty simple compared to changing metals to resins.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Given we know they're already had to remake various masters, I certainly wouldn't be shocked if we get a recut version of the Isle of Blood Elves, especially if it's just Sea Guard since they'd only really need to recut the command (since they also released a separate set of pushfit Sea Guard alongside IoB)

Though masters they have redone is metal/resin.

Plastic is more expensive. At that point might just as well do new models entirely doing modern sprues. For same cost more efficient casting.

Thoughts of recutting old sprues are pure delusion. And Isle of Blood reprint with parts of a legacy faction not close behind.

That's why I said they'd blank off the Skaven parts. I'd assume they could metal fill the gates that lead into the skaven parts to simply shut them off, leaving behind a larger than normal mould, but one that would only fill for the High Elf Parts.

Or it could be as said, that they've taken the sprue from the paint set and are going to just print a LOT of that one to bulk them up and then perhaps give them a resin command group or such.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Thoughts of recutting old sprues are pure delusion. And Isle of Blood reprint with parts of a legacy faction not close behind.

Hey I never said I expected it, just that I wouldn't be shocked if it did somehow happen

 Overread wrote:
That's why I said they'd blank off the Skaven parts. I'd assume they could metal fill the gates that lead into the skaven parts to simply shut them off, leaving behind a larger than normal mould, but one that would only fill for the High Elf Parts.

Or it could be as said, that they've taken the sprue from the paint set and are going to just print a LOT of that one to bulk them up and then perhaps give them a resin command group or such.

This is possible to do, but it's destructive (the filled areas of detail are destroyed) and it can require that additional feeds be cut, since some neighbouring models may share feeds, and so on. I don't know that GW would consider it feasible or cost-effective ahead of the other options; if those models are from the age of digital design, cutting a new mould may be simpler and cheaper overall. A Made to Order – and just living with the slight weirdness of the sprues having some Skaven models on – might also still be a contender.

Thank you all for the recommendations. And what do you guys think about the pure night gobbos list? Plenty of AOS kits = plastics to use as replacements for non plastic TOW ones. Would it be just for fun or viable?

 KidCthulhu wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Yet they won't offer the damsel on foot solo...

Ironically, I just need the mounted one. But I'm not paying $50.00...

...not yet, anyway. Trying really hard not to break down and get it.

The split would be around $30/$20. STILL not worth it.

I would hope that if they rerelease island of blood/spire of dawn minis that they wouldn't permanently alter or eliminate the skaven components.

They could market and sell it as a two-fer "Start a High Elf army for TOW and a Skaven army for AoS!"

There would be plenty of demand for it regardless, considering how driven the community is to try to pretend the legacy factions aren't just going to be abandoned in due course by GW.

Like it abandoned epic and adeptus titanicus? And squats? 3 things everybody "knews wouldn't ever come back because gw kept denying they have plans to bring them back

I have very nice island to sell to anybody believing gw at face value.


Cheap, nice, blue waters. No refund.

 Ohman wrote:

 Overread wrote:
In the BRB photo for High Elves I "think" I can see SeaGuard in the bottom left corner almost just out of shot.

I don't see the cavalry though.

Now it might be GW has taken the masters and made new moulds or that they are going to do a print run of Island of Blood. Or perhaps they just blanked out the Rat half of the mould and will cast up the High Elves on their own. Esp since in theory the Skaven are both not appearing in Old World and they are also rumoured to get a big AoS update with 4th edition.

Indeed the more I think of it the more I think GW could have just taken Island of Blood and blanked out the Skaven parts to cast up the High Elf only

The Seaguard was also available in a paintset. Perhaps that mould (if it was a seperate mould) could come in handy?

That would be fantastic news. I really want to get a bunch of Seaguard and was worried how I would need to juggle things to get a round number of them.

Well if Vampire Counts get tournament legal rules in 2058 boy will chaos0xomega feel silly

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Thoughts of recutting old sprues are pure delusion. And Isle of Blood reprint with parts of a legacy faction not close behind.

I am not so sure. All of the photos of the High Elf forces in the books include the Swordmasters and Seaguard from IoB, as well as the Reavers and the mage. The only model I haven't seen in official photos is the Griffon. Given GW's meticulous nature about these things, I think it would be fair to assume IoB will reappear in some form.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would hope that if they rerelease island of blood/spire of dawn minis that they wouldn't permanently alter or eliminate the skaven components.

Thing is GW are playing the marketing safe, they don't want to confuse people or give false offerings that might suggest a "legacy" Old World army might appear in the future. I think Island of Blood if released would be nothing but the High Elf part. As noted others have recalled other models in that set which are also appearing in the image, not just the sea guard. So yeah seems like the HE part is coming.


Also if Skaven are getting an AoS edition 4 make-over then that would likely include a lot of new models any way. Unless GW is going to use some of those plastics again.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well if Vampire Counts get tournament legal rules in 2058 boy will chaos0xomega feel silly

One of my posts said something about seeing it possibly happening 15-20 years down the line, but there's no room for that kind of nuance on the internet.

 Overread wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would hope that if they rerelease island of blood/spire of dawn minis that they wouldn't permanently alter or eliminate the skaven components.

Thing is GW are playing the marketing safe, they don't want to confuse people or give false offerings that might suggest a "legacy" Old World army might appear in the future. I think Island of Blood if released would be nothing but the High Elf part. As noted others have recalled other models in that set which are also appearing in the image, not just the sea guard. So yeah seems like the HE part is coming.


Also if Skaven are getting an AoS edition 4 make-over then that would likely include a lot of new models any way. Unless GW is going to use some of those plastics again.

Well that's the thing, the only way to bring the high Elves is to basically permanently eliminate the skaven component, as they share sprues. There were some good skaven sculpts in that kit, be a shame to lose them.