Legions Imperialis news and rumors. Tallarn campsign book. p.237

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**RazorEdge**

I really hope they announce Epic at the Warhammerfest, and if it's just a Teaser.

**MajorWesJanson**

Why would GW want to take any attention away from 10th Ed by announcing a different game system?

**schoon**

While I'm not saying I'm convinced Epic is coming out this year...

By and large, it's a different audience than 10th Ed, and a different set of resources to develop it. If 10th comes out this summer, a "Specialist Game" in the fall hardly steals its thunder.

**Tsagualsa**

schoon wrote:
While I'm not saying I'm convinced Epic is coming out this year...

By and large, it's a different audience than 10th Ed, and a different set of resources to develop it. If 10th comes out this summer, a "Specialist Game" in the fall hardly steals its thunder.

Also, the year has literally a second half they need to fill with something, and they're hyping 10th ~ two months before its release already... How much thunder will there be to steal anyway? The 10th box alone is not gonna carry 4-5 months of releases, and neither are Space Marine and Tyranid codexes. There will be some stuff for other games by necessity, and depending on the release model 'Epic HH' is not going to take more release space than a single box and/or book, with maybe some expansion packs down the line.

**xttz**

It really depends how much they're going to try and cram into this year. Another edition of AOS is almost certainly coming next summer, so the big question is how much GW want The Old World to avoid clashing with AOS.

A late August release (like Titanicus) for Epic is possible, and that allows TOW to fit into the November slot. If that's the case I expect they'd tease Epic soon.

But if TOW isn't until some time next year then Epic is more likely to be a Oct/Nov release, and they're probably not going to talk about it until after 10e is on shelves.

**Tsagualsa**

xttz wrote:
It really depends how much they're going to try and cram into this year. A late August release (like Titanicus) for Epic is possible, and that allows TOW to fit into the November slot. If that's the case I expect they'd tease Epic soon.

But if TOW isn't until next year then Epic is more likely to be a Oct/Nov release, and they're probably not going to talk about it until after 10e is on shelves.

The long and short of it is that we basically don't know anything past Warhammerfest other than 10th is coming, our roadmaps for the sidegames are finished, we know the AoS roadmap until and including Autumn, and not much besides this. We can only hope that we'll get a tiny glimpse for Easter, maybe, and then a good look at the rest of the year at WarhammerFest. Ideally, we'll get roadmaps for all the system that are currently lacking one, new seasons for the games with season models and so on.

**lord_blackfang**

Gonna be honest, while I love Epic, product fatigue is setting in. I would have a hard time fitting it in while keeping up with all these other things they're doing.

**Pacific**

xttz wrote:
It really depends how much they're going to try and cram into this year. Another edition of AOS is almost certainly coming next summer

Lol really? I have literally just got the rules and an army book. I give up, the race is now on for me to try and finish an army and get one game in before my rules, book and army (probably) become invalid.

**semajnollissor**

Faeit 212 posted further, very specific rumors of the new Epic box contents today.

Either this stuff will be revealed at Fest in a few weeks, or someone is having a good time making stuff up.

I do recall that the specific contents of the most recent Horus Hersey box set were disseminated by the rumors sites a long time before it was announced (half a year or more?). It could be that this is a similar case - I just have a hard time believing that most casual observers would know enough about Epic to be able to report out on it.

It the specific rumors are true, then players of Epic Armageddon that prefer to use official models ought to be quite happy, as most of the rumored box contents could be used as-is in the current E:A force lists.

**RazorEdge**

Even Valrak stopped to Quote Faeit.

We will see what happens...

**tneva82**

Pacific wrote:
xttz wrote:
It really depends how much they're going to try and cram into this year. Another edition of AOS is almost certainly coming next summer

Lol really? I have literally just got the rules and an army book. I give up, the race is now on for me to try and finish an army and get one game in before my rules, book and army (probably) become invalid.

Aos3 came 2021. 3 year cycle is gw's style. 2021+3=2024.

And we are almost done with battletomes. 3 left. 1 in summer, 1 autumn, 1 unannounced

**Albertorius**

tneva82 wrote:
Pacific wrote:
xttz wrote:
It really depends how much they're going to try and cram into this year. Another edition of AOS is almost certainly coming next summer

Lol really? I have literally just got the rules and an army book. I give up, the race is now on for me to try and finish an army and get one game in before my rules, book and army (probably) become invalid.

Aos3 came 2021. 3 year cycle is gw's style. 2021+3=2024.

And we are almost done with battletomes. 3 left. 1 in summer, 1 autumn, 1 unannounced

It certainly is, nowadays. One of the reasons I don't bother with their print product anymore.

**zedmeister**

I’ve been wondering if the recent Titanicus conversion beam weapons article had a “hiding in plain sight” teaser. Namely the flatter sculpted base

Titans moving to flat bases? Plastic moulds? New epic design? Wishful thinking?

**Malika2**

Folks have been speculating this, especially since GW was quick to remove that picture. Time will tell…

**MaxT**

Could also be Titanicus 2nd edition?

I always thought the next epic scale game would be some sort of armoured warfare game, giving them the opportunity to make vehicles for the next few years before going for infantry in an actual “epic” release in a few more years time.

**RazorEdge**

There were rumors about AT getting expanted with Airplanes and Tanks but I doubt it. They will go full Epic for IP reasons...

**Eumerin**

RazorEdge wrote:
There were rumors about AT getting expanted with Airplanes and Tanks but I doubt it. They will go full Epic for IP reasons...

Aircraft speculation was because Aeronauticus was rereleased at the same scale.

As for tanks, there's been speculation from the start - fueled in part by the presence of knights - that super-heavies like the Shadowsword (which is explicitly an anti-titan vehicle) would be added to the game. No sign of them yet, however.

**RazorEdge**

Eumerin wrote:
Aircraft speculation was because Aeronauticus was rereleased at the same scale.

Aircraft speculation was more because those Rules for AA-Weapons.

**infinite_array**

zedmeister wrote:
I’ve been wondering if the recent Titanicus conversion beam weapons article had a “hiding in plain sight” teaser. Namely the flatter sculpted base

Titans moving to flat bases? Plastic moulds? New epic design? Wishful thinking?

Occam's Razor: The person who submitted that image plays Epic and uses the current Titan minis. No one caught the base until someone pointed it out. So they had to hide it.

**Tsagualsa**

infinite_array wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
I’ve been wondering if the recent Titanicus conversion beam weapons article had a “hiding in plain sight” teaser. Namely the flatter sculpted base

Titans moving to flat bases? Plastic moulds? New epic design? Wishful thinking?

Occam's Razor: The person who submitted that image plays Epic and uses the current Titan minis. No one caught the base until someone pointed it out. So they had to hide it.

That image is of an at-the-time unreleased weapon from forgeworld on a titan body of the studio, there is no 'person' behind that in this sense.

It is, however, possible that they had switched bases to use this model to make pictures for an upcoming 'Epic' product, and forgot to change them back before doing the shots for this new article.

**SamusDrake**

Probably means nothing, but Battlebling are labelling their latest AT-compatible offerings as "Epic Heresy".

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

SamusDrake wrote:
Probably means nothing, but Battlebling are labelling their latest AT-compatible offerings as "Epic Heresy".

They're a main sponsor of Tabletop_Standard on Youtube who run a lot of the fan-made Epic 30k, using AT models and scale, so I think that's the extent of what that particular item means.

For what it is worth, I have an industry friend who swears to me that Epic Horus Heresy is a box he'll have in hand shortly, and in the past he has indeed gotten and shown me some very early releases. If anything comes of it I will definitely share.

**SamusDrake**

That would be nice, if possible.

**twentypence**

Posted in wrong thread

**Breotan**

I just wish they'd stop with the nonsense and release xenos Titans. Heck, even design some for the races that don't have them already.

I would throw money at them hand over fist if they were to give the KV128 Stormsurge and KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour the Titanicus treatment and fill out the range with a non-Manta walker or two.

**schoon**

I suppose it could be AT 2.0.

The game is due for another edition.

**MajorWesJanson**

Breotan wrote:
I just wish they'd stop with the nonsense and release xenos Titans. Heck, even design some for the races that don't have them already.

I would throw money at them hand over fist if they were to give the KV128 Stormsurge and KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour the Titanicus treatment and fill out the range with a non-Manta walker or two.

Both of those suits are knight scale units. I'd rather see the Orca and Manta show up for AI.

If any xeno faction was going to be added to AT, orks would make sense to be first. They have the Nauts and squiggoths for scale 3-4, stompas and gargantuan squiggoths for scale 4-5, gargants around scale 7-8, Great gargants at 9-10, and Mega Gargants to scale with the Warmaster. Mechanically, they have more but less accurate firepower, and are slower but a lot tankier.

**RazorEdge**

schoon wrote:
I suppose it could be AT 2.0.

The game is due for another edition.

I doubt; where is the 2nd Edition for Necromunda. If they ever planned a 2nd Edition for AT, they would had it already released in 2021.

**Pacific**

SamusDrake wrote:
Probably means nothing, but Battlebling are labelling their latest AT-compatible offerings as "Epic Heresy".

There is a fairly sizeable community of Epic Heresy players already, and people that just use the AT titans for playing Epic. It's possible that it's just relating to that rather than the guy who makes them having inside info? Who knows.

**ProfSrlojohn**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Strg Alt wrote:
Andykp wrote:
If it’s just HH then it sucks. Epic needs ORKS.

Yeah right but who is buying them?

Depending on price? Epic players in general.

One of the joys of Epic as a snivellin’ Grot of strictly limited means, was pocket money comfortably bought a new Blister, or perhaps plastic box. That in itself was a comfortable expansion of my army.

You got to 4,000 points pretty quickly. And with the 2nd Ed Set coming with not one, not two, but three armies? You had strong encouragement to expand those into more cohesive forces. And….we did.

Of course, that’s 30 or so years ago. And no I’m not expecting the pricing to be the same. Nor do I even have a clue what Pocket Money looks like these days. See rather sensibly I’ve spared humanity one or more mini-me’s running around clogging things up, so I singularly lack the point of reference.

But the structure is the thing. £20, £25 to get a new tank squadron? I can work with that. And going off AT Knights? That price might be about right. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boxed-Games?N=3281529261+3459573098&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1680447960000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1680447960000%5D

Because when you can make one purchase and have a complete unit ready to go? It kind of feels like better value. Even if the old plastic infantry boxes ring in at £50? You’re still getting an embarrassment of stuff for your money. And it’s all usable. Especially in 2nd Ed Terms, where things could be fielded at company strength, or detachment strength.

(i know this is a bit of a necropost but stick with me)

Man, if they go with a Titanicus pricing structure, it's gonna have a hard time outside the UK. To use the Knights and the US as an example, those cerastus knights are 22GBP, which is roughly 27$. GW charges 35$, decidedly not pocket money. Questoris are 27GBP+33$, they charge 45$, the other cerastus are 45GBP=56$, charges 75$. Etc. Etc.

They're gonna have to be absolutely killer value per-box if they want to have it succeed with that pricing structure. You can see this with the success, or rather, lack thereof of games like Aeronautica and to a lesser extent Titanicus. That 30GBP=37$ box of Thunderbolt Fighters? 50 Fething bucks here. They'll need to be dropping entire companies in a box to make epic work with their current non-UK pricing structure.