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RazorEdge wrote:
It also could be that those Conversion Beam Weapons will be the last AT releases unter the Name of this Game.

And an unexpected book as well.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/16/sunday-preview-seraphon-tip-the-scales-with-an-awesome-new-army-set/

Along with the Legio and Match Play books...yeah, it looks a wrap.

I believe this is the end of AT(in its current iteration).

I'm excited about the compendium as I only have shadow & iron.


Bring on (official)Epic 30k!!!!

Feels like a "that's it!"....

Some kind of sad...

So AT wraps thinggs up, leaving the table for something new to fill the void.. what could it be? Sure as flock aint HH 2.0, since they just went into "resin releases only for now" life support

Heck, maybe we'll see some sort of Epic HH tease on WHF after all

A printed book represents a financial investment in AT, otherwise it’d just be a EPUB.

I suspect that means either they’re consolidating books to make it easier for new players to buy in when they release an expansion, or to have it as a tidy standalone when they release epic.

Some Rumors say AT will stay alongside with Epic but with reduced Range or something.

RazorEdge wrote:
Some Rumors say AT will stay alongside with Epic but with reduced Range or something.

If we assume that the Titans will be useable in Epic (which is the starting point of all of this) it makes sense to keep AT 'alive' with a handful of books, the cardboard control panels etc. and maybe doing the weapons and accessories as made-to-order pieces in regular intervals or something like that. That can't cost a lot of money.

twentypence wrote:
A printed book represents a financial investment in AT, otherwise it’d just be a EPUB.

I suspect that means either they’re consolidating books to make it easier for new players to buy in when they release an expansion, or to have it as a tidy standalone when they release epic.

Yeah.

The video said that they're also bringing back the stratagem cards and the Open War deck(!), which aren't signs of a game that's about to die. The cards been OOP for ages, and there's no reason to bring them back now or compile the campaign books unless you're looking to bring new people into the game. I know that's disappointing for some people to hear.

 gorgon wrote:

twentypence wrote:
A printed book represents a financial investment in AT, otherwise it’d just be a EPUB.

I suspect that means either they’re consolidating books to make it easier for new players to buy in when they release an expansion, or to have it as a tidy standalone when they release epic.

Yeah.

The video said that they're also bringing back the stratagem cards and the Open War deck(!), which aren't signs of a game that's about to die. The cards been OOP for ages, and there's no reason to bring them back now or compile the campaign books unless you're looking to bring new people into the game. I know that's disappointing for some people to hear.

Another wave of releases for AT is the next best thing to a new edition of Epic, at least it builds up the number of things in that scale - that we'll see Epic reborn sooner or later is a given, i personally don't care if it takes some years yet. I expect nothing, and thus am not really disappointed.

Gw is putting great effort in launching The Old World and every other game - excluding 40k and Aos maybe - know scarce support in this moment. I think and hope this is not the end for this great game.

 tauist wrote:
Sure as flock aint HH 2.0, since they just went into "resin releases only for now" life support

Heck, maybe we'll see some sort of Epic HH tease on WHF after all

Just ignore the

And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks!

from the article about resin despoiler arms.

And Epic was going to be announced at Adepticon, then it was going to be announced for sure at WarhammerFest, now oops that was just speculation.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

And Epic was going to be announced at Adepticon, then it was going to be announced for sure at WarhammerFest, now oops that was just speculation.

Valrak remains on his standing point of 'My trusted sources say it is coming this year, i'm making gak up as for when precisely, repeatedly confusing my audience then pedaling back when being called out on it'

Johanxp wrote:
Gw is putting great effort in launching The Old World and every other game - excluding 40k and Aos maybe - know scarce support in this moment. I think and hope this is not the end for this great game.

The end of the game will come when nobody plays it anymore and not if GW doesn't release new content every month :-) Once Epic comes and you can play titans there, I think there will always be people who just want to play titans . AT will never die!

As a side system to Epic with sporadic releases (weapons, books) I can live great, the basic rules are great and apart from the Acastus there are no major design flaws in my opinion

 tauist wrote:

and then there's lil Louise going freelance with her painting videos and hinting at Epic in her first video. Even if I didn't hear about Valrak's "trusted sources" about the relaunch, all that would already sound suspicious.

There is no hint in the Louise Sugden video, she jus shows an epic mini alongside a chibi marine and MacFarlane toy just to illustrate how much she loves painting Rainbow Warriors, on whichever mini..
Unless we are also saying there is a new 40k chibihammer game being released following that rumour

 Pacific wrote:


There is no hint in the Louise Sugden video

I think this was a reference to the Ork Mega-Gargant box placed clearly in the background.

habedekrai37 wrote:


As a side system to Epic with sporadic releases (weapons, books) I can live great, the basic rules are great and apart from the Acastus there are no major design flaws in my opinion

The Questoris avenger-cannon, and Castigator bolt-cannon, are also a design disaster. I honestly didn't think it could get any worse until the Acastus said "hold my beer...".

SamusDrake wrote:

habedekrai37 wrote:


As a side system to Epic with sporadic releases (weapons, books) I can live great, the basic rules are great and apart from the Acastus there are no major design flaws in my opinion

The Questoris avenger-cannon, and Castigator bolt-cannon, are also a design disaster. I honestly didn't think it could get any worse until the Acastus said "hold my beer...".

Well, they are anti-infantry weapons in a game designed for Knights and larger. Included for completeness, not really as a viable option.

The Acastus, if Turbolasers didn't have blast, the Acastus Guns should not have it. And Plasma Blastguns could possibly do with a 1 point drop in strength.

No Epic at Warhammer Fest, at least according to the Warhammer Community website.

Confirmation of a Warhammer: the Old World presentation, though.

"The full launch box for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 will be revealed at Warhammer Fest – but that’s just one of five (yep, FIVE!) separate live previews spread out over the weekend.

Others will cover Warhammer Age of Sigmar, Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness, Warhammer: The Old World, Warhammer Underworlds, Middle-earth™ Strategy Battle Game, Warcry, and Kill Team."

Unless you think Epic will be in the Horus Heresy presentation, which I strongly doubt.

semajnollissor wrote:
No Epic at Warhammer Fest, at least according to the Warhammer Community website.

Confirmation of a Warhammer: the Old World presentation, though.

"The full launch box for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 will be revealed at Warhammer Fest – but that’s just one of five (yep, FIVE!) separate live previews spread out over the weekend.

Others will cover Warhammer Age of Sigmar, Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness, Warhammer: The Old World, Warhammer Underworlds, Middle-earth™ Strategy Battle Game, Warcry, and Kill Team."

Unless you think Epic will be in the Horus Heresy presentation, which I strongly doubt.

Eh, they still can show a mini-teaser at the end of the HH presentation, or alternatively put some actual Epic miniatures in the background of some dramatic HH shots and have people going crazy over it

If they tease Epic at WHF; Why should they announce a (maybe) surprise Teaser for the End?

Why would anyone expect an Epic logo to be shown at this point when GW hasn't publicly said anything about the game aside from its "abeyance"? Besides, its not even going to be named "Epic" anymore as it supposedly happens during the Heresy

Sounds illogical to me

If Epic was to be revealed at Warhammer Fest, they would have made a blank/mystery logo. It won't be teased in another game's section in any way.

People just have to accept the fact Valrak was bullshitting once again, that's all. It's not for this time. But no worry, his prophecy will eventually come true one day.

RazorEdge wrote:
If they tease Epic at WHF; Why should the announce a (maybe) surprise Teaser for the End?

If they were cool they'd just sneak some nu-Epic miniatures among the old ones in the "40 years of Warhammer" display cabinets without much ado or comment and let people find out for themselves

Look, IDGAF about Valrak being right or not. He's a youtuber, and I typically dislike 99,5% of tubers. I still dont see impossible we wont get anything about the relaunch, but am man enough to admit being wrong on Monday if nothing happens. This is not a hill I'm willing to die on any time soon

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


Well, they are anti-infantry weapons in a game designed for Knights and larger. Included for completeness, not really as a viable option.

The Acastus, if Turbolasers didn't have blast, the Acastus Guns should not have it. And Plasma Blastguns could possibly do with a 1 point drop in strength.

I won't derail the thread too much with details for non-Epic gameplay, but in a nutshell we had to write our own versions of the rapid-fire weapons so that they scale better with the Warhound's megabolter. We also found that our substitute rules dramatically decreased the impractical number of dice required for these weapons.

The Acastus...oh dear. We left the Asterius alone, but the Porphyrion we still had problems with; not just in what it can do, but GW's auxiliary rule is as bad as if they suddenly declared the Warlord an auxilary unit. Its only a single change, but replace the blast trait with ordinance; no more awkward scatter rolls and they won't hit as much. The only thing they gain from this is re-rolling armour rolls of 1, but even the Questoris battle-cannon enjoys this trait. This also gives them a unique role of nutcracker, compared to the blast-radius antics of the Asterius. This isn't the only improvement the Porphyrion needs, but its an easy one to implement that at least removes unnecessary drama such as banning.

Sarouan wrote:
If Epic was to be revealed at Warhammer Fest, they would have made a blank/mystery logo.

When did this happened the last time? Long ago...

There is also more than Valrak.

 tauist wrote:
So AT wraps thinggs up, leaving the table for something new to fill the void.. what could it be? Sure as flock aint HH 2.0, since they just went into "resin releases only for now" life support

Heck, maybe we'll see some sort of Epic HH tease on WHF after all

"resin only except of course all the plastic infantry we said are coming".

Surely you remember gw flat out said more plastic infantry is coming?

habedekrai37 wrote:

Johanxp wrote:
Gw is putting great effort in launching The Old World and every other game - excluding 40k and Aos maybe - know scarce support in this moment. I think and hope this is not the end for this great game.

The end of the game will come when nobody plays it anymore and not if GW doesn't release new content every month :-) Once Epic comes and you can play titans there, I think there will always be people who just want to play titans . AT will never die!

As a side system to Epic with sporadic releases (weapons, books) I can live great, the basic rules are great and apart from the Acastus there are no major design flaws in my opinion

You are surely right - I still play original 1995 Warhammer Quest. But we can't deny that when they do not sell or support a game anymore majority of people usually shift to other system and become more and more difficult to find players. In my area WHFB suffered a sudden death when GW killed it.

 xttz wrote:

 Pacific wrote:


There is no hint in the Louise Sugden video

I think this was a reference to the Ork Mega-Gargant box placed clearly in the background.

Yes but she also had a copy of Trollz in the Pantry expansion, "Oi dats my leg" in the background as well. Does there need to be a rumour that that game is coming back too?