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Sarouan wrote: If Epic was to be revealed at Warhammer Fest, they would have made a blank/mystery logo.
When did this happened the last time? Long ago...
There is also more than Valrak.
Cursed City wasn't that long ago. And yes, these rumors don't have only Valrak as source, but he's certainly the most vocal about it lately.
GW has a very tight schedule on Warhammer Fest, once they have released it they won't make surprise reveals for unrelated stuffs in events that are labeled for a specific game system. Sure, you may hope they do, but that only leads to disappointment in the end.
I think it's way too early for a proper Epic reveal, if there is at all this year or the year after.
Sarouan wrote: GW has a very tight schedule on Warhammer Fest, once they have released it they won't make surprise reveals for unrelated stuffs in events that are labeled for a specific game system. Sure, you may hope they do, but that only leads to disappointment in the end.
I think it's way too early for a proper Epic reveal, if there is at all this year or the year after.
I agree. If, and that’s a huge *IF*, they announce anything, I think we’ll just get a “watch the skies” AI style teaser at the end of the Horus Heresy section, with the message that it’s coming in the future.
Personally, I think with 10th Ed 40k and The Old World coming there won’t be sufficient spare plastic production capacity for the rest of the year.
twentypence wrote: A printed book represents a financial investment in AT, otherwise it’d just be a EPUB.
I suspect that means either they’re consolidating books to make it easier for new players to buy in when they release an expansion, or to have it as a tidy standalone when they release epic.
Yeah.
The video said that they're also bringing back the stratagem cards and the Open War deck(!), which aren't signs of a game that's about to die. The cards been OOP for ages, and there's no reason to bring them back now or compile the campaign books unless you're looking to bring new people into the game. I know that's disappointing for some people to hear.
Well the release of those cards hasn’t gone quite to plan.
On the other hand, those card packs were only mentioned in last Sunday's "Coming Soon" video, and not the article. It might be an error where they could only manage editing the article and not the video.
Considering that almost every single thing Valrak said was coming was confirmed, including stuff like more Knights moving to plastic, the specific HH characters etc. i think we can take his insistence that Epic:HH was coming as confirmation.
Sarouan wrote: If Epic was to be revealed at Warhammer Fest, they would have made a blank/mystery logo. It won't be teased in another game's section in any way.
People just have to accept the fact Valrak was bullshitting once again, that's all. It's not for this time. But no worry, his prophecy will eventually come true one day.
Anyone hazard a guess if this will be out before or after TOW? I get the feeling TOW won't be this year.
Personally I'd rather they wrap up some of the other side games first, I already can't keep up with everything and frankly neither can GW, there are still games with missing, nonfunctional or barely functional factions and they're adding more games that will be half done for years to come instead of completing something.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Anyone hazard a guess if this will be out before or after TOW? I get the feeling TOW won't be this year.
Personally I'd rather they wrap up some of the other side games first, I already can't keep up with everything and frankly neither can GW, there are still games with nonfunctional or barely functional factions and they're adding more instead of completing something.
Valrak said it will come at the end of the year. From what we've seen, it is not clear that TOW will have any product this year, as GW themselves seem to be unclear about where they're going with that. They mentioned 'Army book equivalents' in the stream, and not much else. I would have guessed that they'd want to launch at least some token product this year to catch in on the '40 years of Warhammer', but even that seems to be increasingly unlikely.
lord_blackfang wrote: Personally I'd rather they wrap up some of the other side games first, I already can't keep up with everything and frankly neither can GW, there are still games with missing, nonfunctional or barely functional factions and they're adding more games that will be half done for years to come instead of completing something.
Blood Bowl might be going into a hibernation period soon, the game is missing just a couple teams in plastic.Titanicus is probably wrapped as a rules set and the line's getting merged into Epic. Same for Aeronautica.
Dunno how Underworlds are doing, haven't played it since the second season came out.
I really think it's a shame if it turns out to be Horus Heresy only. Swapping all that variety for Space Marines vs Space Marines. Hopefully it just turns out to be the start and it gets expanded, but that didn't happen with Adeptus Titanicus.
They've basically set up their Epic-related releases to gradually test the waters with customers before committing to 40k. Aeronautica is set in 40k after all, so it's not like that haven't already made steps in that direction. The plans are clearly in place. It's just a matter of whether or not customers show enough interest.
The only scenario in which Epic doesn't eventually expand to 40k is if Epic 30k is somehow incredibly unpopular.
Mentlegen324 wrote: I really think it's a shame if it turns out to be Horus Heresy only. Swapping all that variety for Space Marines vs Space Marines. Hopefully it just turns out to be the start and it gets expanded, but that didn't happen with Adeptus Titanicus.
As I told a friend, although I'm sure they'll sell out of their big box launch sets, there are plenty of folks who are gonna give it a NOPE if they don't have other factions available. I'm one of them. I have epic Tyranids already, and I'm not gonna buy a ton of tiny SMs too just because I have some AT titans. And even if I was interested, there isn't a need to buy them from GW at what will almost certainly be high prices for tiny minis.
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artific3r wrote: They've basically set up their Epic-related releases to gradually test the waters with customers before committing to 40k. Aeronautica is set in 40k after all, so it's not like that haven't already made steps in that direction. The plans are clearly in place. It's just a matter of whether or not customers show enough interest.
The only scenario in which Epic doesn't eventually expand to 40k is if Epic 30k is somehow incredibly unpopular.
Well, there's 'gradually' and then there's 'glacially'. AT is going on 5 years old and is still mono-faction and missing Titan classes that they teased years ago. And by all accounts it sold well. How well does Epic have to sell to get other factions before 2028? And are there really even any plans for 40K factions if they're rolling it out as a HH product to begin with? So they have to immediately rebox everything? I think it's legit to question their commitment past HH and SMs in particular.
The issue/risk with 'dipping a toe in' with a product launch is that it may only collect a commensurate amount of customer interest. Often you have to go big in order for something to hit big. Maybe their business plan is very conservative. That's fine, but going back to Mentlegen's comment, it would be a shame that a game with a history of variety would be pared down to such a limited concept.
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gorgon wrote: Well, there's 'gradually' and then there's 'glacially'. AT is going on 5 years old and is still mono-faction and missing Titan classes that they teased years ago. And by all accounts it sold well. How well does Epic have to sell to get other factions before 2028? And are there really even any plans for 40K factions if they're rolling it out as a HH product to begin with? So they have to immediately rebox everything? I think it's legit to question their commitment past HH and SMs in particular.
The issue/risk with 'dipping a toe in' with a product launch is that it may only collect a commensurate amount of customer interest. Often you have to go big in order for something to hit big. Maybe their business plan is very conservative. That's fine, but going back to Mentlegen's comment, it would be a shame that a game with a history of variety would be pared down to such a limited concept.
Sure, glacially. That's just how it's going to be for a niche within a niche product like this.
It makes a lot of sense to limit it to the Horus Heresy setting at first. You only need to develop a single faction and you get to gauge interest in what would undoubtedly be the most popular faction in Epic 40k. If you can't sell space marines at this scale, no way you're going to sell things like Genestealer Cult or Sisters of Battle. Yeah, sometimes you have to go big to hit big, but clearly they are not so confident in hitting big with something as niche as this. When the risk is so great, the options are slow and steady, or nothing at all.
