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**RedNoak**

Spoiler:

**Beardedragon**

RedNoak wrote:

Spoiler:

Grots 45
grots 45
grots 45
135

10x BBoys 105 – beastboss 80 (185)
10x BBoys 105
10x BBoys 105
395
Mozrog 195

10x Kommandos 135 – Snikrot 105 (240)
10x Burnaboys 130
Flash Gitz 190 – Badrukk 95 (285)
655

Deff dread 150
Deff dread 150
300

Trukk 50
Trukk 50
Trukk 50
Trukk 50
200
Squigbuggy 110

2000

i would ditch a grot squad (you can get only 1cp back per round) and the squigbuggy

get a trukk for either burnaz or flashgitz and a painboss for the snaggaz, then you have 35 left for enhancements. HWKC and 4+++ or retreat and charge OR the +2 movement one and 10points for the GW overlords

for your second list... take only 5 nobz and use the points for characters... i think 10th benefits alot from their buffs

5nobz + warboss is still nasty.
painboss is juicy for bringing d3 snaggaz back and 5+++

what do you guys think of the grot leader wordsnagga? scouting gretchin sounds great for blocking the enemy... and -1 to wound doesnt get them autodeleted once looked at wrong

**MrStressy**

So I had my first game of tenth at the weekend, just a small 1k game to start getting used to the new edition. I wasn't sure what I would be facing so I built a force that I just thought would be fun. I took Mozrog, a unit of 5 flashgitz with Badrukk in a trukk, another trukk with a squad of 5 nobz and a warboss, a unit of grots and 5 MANZ with a MA big Mek. In the end I played into thousand sons, we used the really basic mission from the core rules and so I just piled into the middle of the table and started blasting. It was a really fun and close game that the orks took by a single point at the end, we felt pretty tough and it was great to have strats that were actually useful and not 2cp each !

Mozrog was an absolute monster and took about 2 turns of shooting to go down after basically eating a mutalith vortex beast, the MANZ went through a helbrute in combat and were nice and tough, but I'm very happy to say the all stars were the flash gitz and Kaptin B, they piled out of a trukk and went through a squad of scarab termies in one shooting phase then overwatched a squad of flamer rubrics who had teleported over to barbecue them and deleted the squad. As a big gjtz fan it was glorious to see, the ammo runt for the one use of lethal hits and badrukks rerolls were so useful, it means they are actually dangerous. I'm playing some more games this weekend and looking forward to it, we definitely aren't OP but it feels like we have some options and I will take that all day

**Vineheart01**

am i missing something, or are we seriously lacking in the anti-big thing department?

The index is covered in S7-9 attacks with at least 1 ap, but im seeing very very little anti-vehicle or S12+ attacks even in melee.

I almost feel like im forced to use Squighogs, since they look pretty good at dealing with vehicles this go around.

**RedNoak**

kustom mega cannon either from jet or mekgunz seems the only reliable ranged weapons we have for medium tanks... anything above T12 will be hard to remove, sadly even in CC

i think we will also struggle hard against 2+ or 1+ saves... we have really poor AP and no good and reliable means of pumping out MW

a landraider in cover will be nearly indestructable...

**cody.d.**

This might be weird but the more I look at a stompa, the more it seems okay. Maybe not competitive but okay. Costs as much as 2 knights, but it seems to stand up to them well enough.

Against smaller stuff it uses the overwatch stratagem like no other. Any squishy anti tank unit coming towards it would have to stand up to a lot of dice thrown at them, even tougher squads may lose a few models to the occasional lucky 6 on the cannons.

A horde with lethal hits will hurt him and I wouldn't want to get hit by the Valient's harpoon, but the defensive statline is okay.

**Forceride**

anything above T10 you will want squighog's the anti-vehicle 4 becomes really your best bet. Outside that, mekguns, wazboom and kill rig, gun has S12 too, also buff gives S in fight phase and lethal on a 6.

**Grimskul**

This is my preliminary 1500 point list for my first game of 10th ed this weekend:

10th edition Ork Index List:

Spoiler:

The plan is to attach one unit of boyz with a Warboss and Grotsnik, and the other unit of boyz with a Warboss and the Nob with WAAAGH! Banner, they're my core units that will be fighting for the scrum of the middle of the board objectives.

Kaptin Badrukk and his Flash Gitz go into Strategic Reserve so they can blast a unit the turn they come on and ideally are set up in a central location so they can stay still for better accuracy.

The Meganobz unit is meant to be a reserve threat to be held behind cover against anti-tank threats.

Gretchin are to farm and guard my home objective while the SAG Big Mek and Mek Gunz provide backfield fire support.

I'm mainly wondering if I should change my Follow Me Ladz enhancement to the Killchoppa instead and if Painboyz/Mad Dok is better or if the WAAAGH! Banner is more beneficial. Would love to hear what feedback you guys have.

**The Red Hobbit**

Great ideas in your list. I'm really curious to hear how well the Mek Guns do and whether you think they are worthwhile or just do equivalent points in Lootas.

I think if your Boyz are footslogging then a Painboy makes a lot of sense and with only 40 Boyz I'd lean more towards the Painboy over the Waagh banner.

Who is going in the Trukk?

**Grimskul**

The Red Hobbit wrote:
Great ideas in your list. I'm really curious to hear how well the Mek Guns do and whether you think they are worthwhile or just do equivalent points in Lootas.

I think if your Boyz are footslogging then a Painboy makes a lot of sense and with only 40 Boyz I'd lean more towards the Painboy over the Waagh banner.

Who is going in the Trukk?

The 5 Meganobz with the Mega-Armoured Warboss. I was debating getting a trukk for the Flash Gitz and Badrukk to get them into position for shooting but points were a bit tight and I figured I may as well use Strategic Reserves for once to change things up.

Good point as well regarding the Painboy, though I will be honest I think I chose the WAAAGH! Banner initially so I can test out new stuff, I think this is the first time I've actually been excited to use the WAAAGH Banner Nob for like 3 editions xD

**Jidmah**

Vineheart01 wrote:
am i missing something, or are we seriously lacking in the anti-big thing department?

The index is covered in S7-9 attacks with at least 1 ap, but im seeing very very little anti-vehicle or S12+ attacks even in melee.

I almost feel like im forced to use Squighogs, since they look pretty good at dealing with vehicles this go around.

The thing you are most likely missing is that this is the same for everyone now. Wounding vehicles on 5s is just how the game works now, kind of like you had to roll a 5+ to penetrate AV12 back when that was a thing.

Dedicated anti-tank is usually expensive and has a low number of attacks, making it inefficient against pretty much all other targets. Most armies, despite having such guns, still have to wear down vehicles with lethal hits, +1 wound effects and high damage, high AP weapons.

**The Red Hobbit**

Grimskul wrote:

Good point as well regarding the Painboy, though I will be honest I think I chose the WAAAGH! Banner initially so I can test out new stuff, I think this is the first time I've actually been excited to use the WAAAGH Banner Nob for like 3 editions xD

Same here!

I'm really looking forward to trying out the

Banner. I remember using mine in 8th a few times but he never survived long.

I've been considering a greentide list over the weekend with 5x20 Boyz with 2 Warboss, 2 Pain Boys, and a Nob with the

Banner to start and some backfield Lootas. I've been trying to decide if the Battlewagons are worth it, just to be able to dump a unit of 20+leader after hitting with the Deffrolla

, or just stick to footslogging a whole mass of them.

**Tomsug**

Vineheart01 wrote:
am i missing something, or are we seriously lacking in the anti-big thing department?

The index is covered in S7-9 attacks with at least 1 ap, but im seeing very very little anti-vehicle or S12+ attacks even in melee.

I almost feel like im forced to use Squighogs, since they look pretty good at dealing with vehicles this go around.

Yes.

The key is in Lethal Hits (flashgitz?) and Anti (BS units) and Devastating wounds

**Jidmah**

Grimskul wrote:

Spoiler:

This is my preliminary 1500 point list for my first game of 10th ed this weekend:

10th edition Ork Index List:

Warboss with Power Klaw and Kombi-Weapon - 70
Enhancement: Follow Me Ladz!

Mad Dok Grotsnik - 75

Warboss with Power Klaw and Kombi-Weapon - 70

Nob with WAAAGH! Banner - 70

20 boyz - 170
- Nob with PK
- 2 x Rokkit Launchas

20 Boyz - 170
- Nob with PK
- 2 x Rokkit Launchas

5 Meganobz with Twin Killsaws - 165

Mega Armour Warboss - 95

Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun - 75

3 Mek Gunz - 135
- Kustom Mega Kannons

Kaptin Badrukk - 95

10 Flash Gitz - 190
- Ammo Runt

Trukk - 50
- Wrecking Ball

10 Gretchin + 1 Runtherd - 45

The plan is to attach one unit of boyz with a Warboss and Grotsnik, and the other unit of boyz with a Warboss and the Nob with WAAAGH! Banner, they're my core units that will be fighting for the scrum of the middle of the board objectives.

Kaptin Badrukk and his Flash Gitz go into Strategic Reserve so they can blast a unit the turn they come on and ideally are set up in a central location so they can stay still for better accuracy.

The Meganobz unit is meant to be a reserve threat to be held behind cover against anti-tank threats.

Gretchin are to farm and guard my home objective while the SAG Big Mek and Mek Gunz provide backfield fire support.

I'm mainly wondering if I should change my Follow Me Ladz enhancement to the Killchoppa instead and if Painboyz/Mad Dok is better or if the WAAAGH! Banner is more beneficial. Would love to hear what feedback you guys have.

I'm surprised to see Grotznik here. I mentally put him into garbage tier already, what is your reason for picking him over a weird boy or a kff mek?

**RedNoak**

i think feel no pain is generally better than an invuln only against shooting. FnP triggers in every phase and can be used vs MW

**Jidmah**

Sure, but FNP is 75 points for saving the equivalent of 85 points worth of boyz, assuming no multi-damage wounds involved. Fallback and charge isn't that attractive to me.

The KFF mek in comparison adds damage to the shootas in the back and the free rokkits we now get, while also providing two(!) turns of 4++ against shooting.

That's my opinion, anyways. I might totally be wrong, so I'm absolutely open to other opinions.

**Tomsug**

Just an idea

**Afrodactyl**

In terms of our anti heavy vehicle offense, I've taken the time to compile a list of all of our vaguely viable options (S10 or higher, devastating wounds, lethal hits, twin linked, etc). This list is excluding stratagems and ignoring the Waaagh for the most part as it basically bumps each unit with a Nob profile to S10 and the list would be huge for not a lot of substance.

Spoiler:

**Gruxz**

What do you guys think about the Wurrboy in 10th? He seems pretty solid to me but I haven't heard anyone talk about him. 14ish s8 attacks are kinda wild.

Also, say he would join a unit of 20 bs boys, would their special rule apply to him as well?

Monster Hunters: Each time a model in this unit makes an
attack that targets a Monster or Vehicle unit, you can re-roll
the Hit roll.

Or would he be treated as a separate unit as the brb would suggest?

**JohnU**

Gruxz wrote:
What do you guys think about the Wurrboy in 10th? He seems pretty solid to me but I haven't heard anyone talk about him. 14ish s8 attacks are kinda wild.

Also, say he would join a unit of 20 bs boys, would their special rule apply to him as well?

Monster Hunters: Each time a model in this unit makes an
attack that targets a Monster or Vehicle unit, you can re-roll
the Hit roll.

Or would he be treated as a separate unit as the brb would suggest?

Attached units are treated as a single unit. Pg 39 under Leader.

**Jidmah**

Tomsug wrote:
Just an idea

Why though? It's not like most of those characters are particularly good on their own...

If you want to go full stompy I'd rather go for something like this:

Spoiler:

**koooaei**

Afrodactyl wrote:
In terms of our anti heavy vehicle offense, I've taken the time to compile a list of all of our vaguely viable options (S10 or higher, devastating wounds, lethal hits, twin linked, etc).

If you actually calculate our unit efficiency, you quickly find out that we have very weak anti-tank for killing t10+ stuff. Let alone t12. If you calculate something like mek gunz vs eldar wraithknight... That's 1k+ pts of mek gunz all shooting at a knight to kill it. Just forget about it. Focus on scoring and killing weaker units off.

**Gruxz**

JohnU wrote:
Gruxz wrote:
What do you guys think about the Wurrboy in 10th? He seems pretty solid to me but I haven't heard anyone talk about him. 14ish s8 attacks are kinda wild.

Also, say he would join a unit of 20 bs boys, would their special rule apply to him as well?

Monster Hunters: Each time a model in this unit makes an
attack that targets a Monster or Vehicle unit, you can re-roll
the Hit roll.

Or would he be treated as a separate unit as the brb would suggest?

Attached units are treated as a single unit. Pg 39 under Leader.

So you can have 20 bs boys with 14 ish bs5 rerollable s8 ap-3 d2 attacks? Not too shabby

**Afrodactyl**

koooaei wrote:
Afrodactyl wrote:
In terms of our anti heavy vehicle offense, I've taken the time to compile a list of all of our vaguely viable options (S10 or higher, devastating wounds, lethal hits, twin linked, etc).

If you actually calculate our unit efficiency, you quickly find out that we have very weak anti-tank for killing t10+ stuff. Let alone t12. If you calculate something like mek gunz vs eldar wraithknight... That's 1k+ pts of mek gunz all shooting at a knight to kill it. Just forget about it. Focus on scoring and killing weaker units off.

Yeah, most of our heavy AT options are crap and boil down to fishing for MWs or Anti 4+ on Squigs.

The list was only for things we could potentially consider if we really needed to kill stuff, but I agree that our best solution to a land raider is probably running around it.

**Jidmah**

koooaei wrote:
Afrodactyl wrote:
In terms of our anti heavy vehicle offense, I've taken the time to compile a list of all of our vaguely viable options (S10 or higher, devastating wounds, lethal hits, twin linked, etc).

If you actually calculate our unit efficiency, you quickly find out that we have very weak anti-tank for killing t10+ stuff. Let alone t12. If you calculate something like mek gunz vs eldar wraithknight... That's 1k+ pts of mek gunz all shooting at a knight to kill it. Just forget about it. Focus on scoring and killing weaker units off.

Are there armies which do not have this problem?

**Grimskul**

Jidmah wrote:
Grimskul wrote:

Spoiler:

This is my preliminary 1500 point list for my first game of 10th ed this weekend:

10th edition Ork Index List:

Warboss with Power Klaw and Kombi-Weapon - 70
Enhancement: Follow Me Ladz!

Mad Dok Grotsnik - 75

Warboss with Power Klaw and Kombi-Weapon - 70

Nob with WAAAGH! Banner - 70

20 boyz - 170
- Nob with PK
- 2 x Rokkit Launchas

20 Boyz - 170
- Nob with PK
- 2 x Rokkit Launchas

5 Meganobz with Twin Killsaws - 165

Mega Armour Warboss - 95

Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun - 75

3 Mek Gunz - 135
- Kustom Mega Kannons

Kaptin Badrukk - 95

10 Flash Gitz - 190
- Ammo Runt

Trukk - 50
- Wrecking Ball

10 Gretchin + 1 Runtherd - 45

The plan is to attach one unit of boyz with a Warboss and Grotsnik, and the other unit of boyz with a Warboss and the Nob with WAAAGH! Banner, they're my core units that will be fighting for the scrum of the middle of the board objectives.

Kaptin Badrukk and his Flash Gitz go into Strategic Reserve so they can blast a unit the turn they come on and ideally are set up in a central location so they can stay still for better accuracy.

The Meganobz unit is meant to be a reserve threat to be held behind cover against anti-tank threats.

Gretchin are to farm and guard my home objective while the SAG Big Mek and Mek Gunz provide backfield fire support.

I'm mainly wondering if I should change my Follow Me Ladz enhancement to the Killchoppa instead and if Painboyz/Mad Dok is better or if the WAAAGH! Banner is more beneficial. Would love to hear what feedback you guys have.

I'm surprised to see Grotznik here. I mentally put him into garbage tier already, what is your reason for picking him over a weird boy or a kff mek?

I was thinking initially that a) he's cheaper than a regular Painboy with slightly better damage output b) the FNP he provides works in both shooting and CC versus a KFF Mek and there seems to be a decent amount of weapons with devastating wounds and anti-infantry overlapping, so I figured it gives a level of versatility, though admittedly it is obviously worse against multi-damage weapons (though I figure they won't use as many on my boyz compared to my other units).

The fall back and charge probably won't come up that much, but it does give me potential flexibility of being able to leave an unfavourable combat while still being able to charge something else in the same turn.

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Jidmah wrote:
koooaei wrote:
Afrodactyl wrote:
In terms of our anti heavy vehicle offense, I've taken the time to compile a list of all of our vaguely viable options (S10 or higher, devastating wounds, lethal hits, twin linked, etc).

If you actually calculate our unit efficiency, you quickly find out that we have very weak anti-tank for killing t10+ stuff. Let alone t12. If you calculate something like mek gunz vs eldar wraithknight... That's 1k+ pts of mek gunz all shooting at a knight to kill it. Just forget about it. Focus on scoring and killing weaker units off.

Are there armies which do not have this problem?

Eldar at the moment I think, though its due to undercosted Fire Prisms and Fate Dice+Reroll shenanigans more than anything else.

**thori**

Or all space marines with graviton weapons.

**flaming tadpole**

Jidmah wrote:
Grimskul wrote:

Spoiler:

This is my preliminary 1500 point list for my first game of 10th ed this weekend:

10th edition Ork Index List:

Warboss with Power Klaw and Kombi-Weapon - 70
Enhancement: Follow Me Ladz!

Mad Dok Grotsnik - 75

Warboss with Power Klaw and Kombi-Weapon - 70

Nob with WAAAGH! Banner - 70

20 boyz - 170
- Nob with PK
- 2 x Rokkit Launchas

20 Boyz - 170
- Nob with PK
- 2 x Rokkit Launchas

5 Meganobz with Twin Killsaws - 165

Mega Armour Warboss - 95

Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun - 75

3 Mek Gunz - 135
- Kustom Mega Kannons

Kaptin Badrukk - 95

10 Flash Gitz - 190
- Ammo Runt

Trukk - 50
- Wrecking Ball

10 Gretchin + 1 Runtherd - 45

The plan is to attach one unit of boyz with a Warboss and Grotsnik, and the other unit of boyz with a Warboss and the Nob with WAAAGH! Banner, they're my core units that will be fighting for the scrum of the middle of the board objectives.

Kaptin Badrukk and his Flash Gitz go into Strategic Reserve so they can blast a unit the turn they come on and ideally are set up in a central location so they can stay still for better accuracy.

The Meganobz unit is meant to be a reserve threat to be held behind cover against anti-tank threats.

Gretchin are to farm and guard my home objective while the SAG Big Mek and Mek Gunz provide backfield fire support.

I'm mainly wondering if I should change my Follow Me Ladz enhancement to the Killchoppa instead and if Painboyz/Mad Dok is better or if the WAAAGH! Banner is more beneficial. Would love to hear what feedback you guys have.

I'm surprised to see Grotznik here. I mentally put him into garbage tier already, what is your reason for picking him over a weird boy or a kff mek?

Nah painboy and warboss is definitely the best combo for 20 man units. KFF doesn’t help in the current dev wound meta from top factions and in general isn’t that great when your already getting a 4+ with cover.

**tneva82**

thori wrote:
Or all space marines with graviton weapons.

Tsons have multiple ways to get around.

In terms of wraithknight 10 terminators can make 14 wounds at it with just bolters. Then soulreapers and missiles.

Does eat up hefty chunk of resources for that turn.

**Beardedragon**

If you run 10 man units of boys or snagga boys, would you still run warbosses, painbosses or what ever leader with them?

Like, you could almost pay for an entirely new unit for each leader.