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Flan. That’s a flan. A tasty flan. But a flan. Maybe a tart.
I believe that would make it a custard. Flan is a tape of custard, not a category of dessert itself.
That usage of flan comes from Spanish. In UK English (and also French), flan refers to custard tarts (flan pâtissier/parisien, for example). The filling of pumpkin "pie" is also a custard, so it meets the classification for a flan under that etymology.
As a hispanic man, to me flan is a specific type of custard. I.E. All flans are custards, not all custards are flans.
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Flan. That’s a flan. A tasty flan. But a flan. Maybe a tart.
You dare mock my nation's celebratory Thanksgiving dessert???
Good day to you, sir. I say, good day to you!
I forsee pies in water.
Anyways:
What are the best recipies you know for pies?
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1. Bring up Google
2. Type in “local butchers”
3. Make a note, mental, digital or written, it doesn’t matter, of the four closest to you
4. Visit each in turn, in the order of your choice, until you find one selling pre-made pies
5. Buy the pie of your preference.
6. Go home. With the pie. Go on, run back and collect it you silly Billy
7. Cook it
8. HEAVEN.
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Best recipe for all pies for me would include a short crust pastry to line the dish, and topped with a puff pastry lid. After that it depends on what kind of filling you want, but that gravy needs reducing until it's closer to a sauce in consistency.
1. Bring up Google
2. Type in “local butchers”
3. Make a note, mental, digital or written, it doesn’t matter, of the four closest to you
4. Visit each in turn, in the order of your choice, until you find one selling pre-made pies
5. Buy the pie of your preference.
6. Go home. With the pie. Go on, run back and collect it you silly Billy
7. Cook it
8. HEAVEN.
My local butcher, despite being probably among the best in my country, doesn't really do pies.
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We typically make more sweet pies than savory ones. Being Americans (and therefore into convenience), we usually go with a frozen crust to start, though my wife had gone old school once or twice.
The problem is the marginal effort required. An additional complicating factor is the fact that she reacts unfavorably to gluten, and working with GF dough is challenging. Easier to buy a frozen GF shell.
During the cold months, I'll sometimes whip up a savory chicken or beef pie, using some fresh ingredients but canned meat. Warms the house, smells nice, quite filling.
The best pie recipe is, of course, apple and blackberry that my mum made when I was younger.
Get some good cooking apples and stew them for a bit with some sugar, cinnamon, and other spices, add in blackberries picked from the brambles at the bottom of the garden in my childhood home, encase in shortcrust pastry and sprinkle sugar over the top.
Serve with custard or cream and eat while watching Star Trek Voyager and/or Last of the Summer Wine.
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If it's not sweet it's not pie. Cottage and shepherd's pie are simply misnamed.
The best pie in the world comes from Limburg in the Netherlands. Americans may have cukturally appropriated apple pie, but recipes for fruit pies have been found here dating back to before their silly continent was even discovered so they can just ef off.
And the best Limburg pie (Limburgse vlaai) is crossberry pie with whipped egg foam on top.
Bran Dawri wrote: If it's not sweet it's not pie. Cottage and shepherd's pie are simply misnamed.
The best pie in the world comes from Limburg in the Netherlands. Americans may have cukturally appropriated apple pie, but recipes for fruit pies have been found here dating back to before their silly continent was even discovered so they can just ef off.
Americans came from many places, and people brought things here with them. They did not "appropriate" Dutch Apple Pie, they shared it. The west side of Michigan is massively of Dutch heritage and they preserved their traditions.
As I said upthread, most "American" food is German because for a long time, a plurality of Americans were of German origin (and that includes Austrians, Swiss, etc.).
Interesting sidebar on that: my daughter is having a Halloween party tonight. There will be movies, and food, and she has asked everyone to bring a favorite snack to share.
This is anathema to my Southern wife, because it implies a lack of hospitality on our part. She doesn't understand because the cultural touchstones where she is from are English and Scots-Irish, while here it is heavily Germanic (and historically French, believe it or not). Potluck dinners are very much a thing in the Upper Midwest; rare in the South.
Sometimes we do it "wrong," but that's usually a function of the climate and locally available foods. For example, Americans rarely use organ meat because it's actually hard to get. Sometimes "authentic" isn't actually the best way to do it. I'm reliably informed that Chinese-American cuisine beats the real thing because we use prime cuts of fish and meat.
But sometimes we also do it right, keeping it scrupulously authentic. Here and there one can still find enclaves stubbornly doing it the Old Way.
It is interesting that authentic English food is so rare here. And of course we banned haggis imports for decades. Also: absinthe. But now you can get them both.
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For instance? In the UK? It’s good manners to clear your plate, to show you appreciate the effort of your host.. But, or so I’m told, in Japan? It’s good manners to leave at least a wee bit, as otherwise you’re suggesting the host didn’t serve enough food.
And in the modern day? Well. I guess maybe pre-modern*, when work was having a food day? I’d look into and usually follow vegan versions of whatever it was I had in mind. Because whilst not vegan myself, or even veggie? Vegan is mostly, if not universally** Halal and Kosher, so the maximum percentage of my colleagues could bear witness to my culinary might.
*I’m so, so bored of “once in a generation” events.
**I’m really not that well versed on what is and isn’t. I would Google, and make best effort. But having made from scratch, I could at least accurately answer questions from my more particular colleagues. And did so honestly.
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Americans came from many places, and people brought things here with them. They did not "appropriate" Dutch Apple Pie, they shared it. The west side of Michigan is massively of Dutch heritage and they preserved their traditions.
As I said upthread, most "American" food is German because for a long time, a plurality of Americans were of German origin (and that includes Austrians, Swiss, etc.).
Interesting sidebar on that: my daughter is having a Halloween party tonight. There will be movies, and food, and she has asked everyone to bring a favorite snack to share.
Oh, I know where it came from. Wasn't being completely serious. Perhaps I should've included a smiley.
Anyway, I was just having a bit of a double dig at the saying "as American as apple pie" and the idea of cultural appropriation (but that's straying into Dakka no-no territory, so best just leave it), because there's nothing inherently american about that.
The comment about the best pie coming from Limburg stands though. I've had pies from all over the world, and they all fall short.
I do like "everyone bring some stuff" parties though. Excellent way to sample some new dishes, and get the recipe right from the source.
Maybe best to assume every post here is at least partially tongue in cheek? Just saves time and effort and that. And even if someone is being deadly serious about…well….pies. There nothing quite as funny as ridiculing the ridiculous.
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I thinly slice apple when I make pies. One year for the 4th of July, I even used a star shaped cookie cutter on them and made the most American apple pie ever. Cinnamon stripes for a flag top (stars cut out on the corner to vent) and stars inside. Stars and stripes forever. Stupid amount of extra work, but fun.
I miss food days at work. Main drawback to WFH IMHO. Used to have an office potluck on the 3rd Thursday of each month. Was a lot of fun, got try try new things and show off my cooking skills. As I lived like 5 minutes from the office, a few times I played chicken with my unreliable oven to deliver fresh backed goods. Do all the prep work the night before, bake off a dozen buttermilk currant scones, toss them in a basket with a towel over them to keep the heat in, and run to clock in as close as I could. Fun times.
I'm still weirded out by the revelation of how much of American culture is actually German in origin. Intellectually I know you're right, just living the in New Jersey and NYC region my entire life, I'm used to the predominant ethnicities being Italian, Irish, and/or Irish, often in some mixture. Thinking about it, I guess a lot of the people I mentally categorize as "american" or "indistinct heritage" are actually germanic though, or at least have german sounding last names.
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Nevelon wrote: I thinly slice apple when I make pies. One year for the 4th of July, I even used a star shaped cookie cutter on them and made the most American apple pie ever. Cinnamon stripes for a flag top (stars cut out on the corner to vent) and stars inside. Stars and stripes forever. Stupid amount of extra work, but fun.
I miss food days at work. Main drawback to WFH IMHO. Used to have an office potluck on the 3rd Thursday of each month. Was a lot of fun, got try try new things and show off my cooking skills. As I lived like 5 minutes from the office, a few times I played chicken with my unreliable oven to deliver fresh backed goods. Do all the prep work the night before, bake off a dozen buttermilk currant scones, toss them in a basket with a towel over them to keep the heat in, and run to clock in as close as I could. Fun times.
I can help you with that, read through the comments on this reddit thread - you will never want to go to another office potluck again. Ever. The comments are highly entertaining, however do not recommend reading while eating or shortly after eating, speaking from personal experience....
Nevelon wrote: I thinly slice apple when I make pies. One year for the 4th of July, I even used a star shaped cookie cutter on them and made the most American apple pie ever. Cinnamon stripes for a flag top (stars cut out on the corner to vent) and stars inside. Stars and stripes forever. Stupid amount of extra work, but fun.
I slice them into cubes. Mix with raisins, cinnamon and just a tiny bit of sugar, depending on the apple in question.
And that really is American Pie. I'll give you that one.
chaos0xomega wrote: I'm still weirded out by the revelation of how much of American culture is actually German in origin. Intellectually I know you're right, just living the in New Jersey and NYC region my entire life, I'm used to the predominant ethnicities being Italian, Irish, and/or Irish, often in some mixture. Thinking about it, I guess a lot of the people I mentally categorize as "american" or "indistinct heritage" are actually germanic though, or at least have german sounding last names.
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Nevelon wrote: I thinly slice apple when I make pies. One year for the 4th of July, I even used a star shaped cookie cutter on them and made the most American apple pie ever. Cinnamon stripes for a flag top (stars cut out on the corner to vent) and stars inside. Stars and stripes forever. Stupid amount of extra work, but fun.
I miss food days at work. Main drawback to WFH IMHO. Used to have an office potluck on the 3rd Thursday of each month. Was a lot of fun, got try try new things and show off my cooking skills. As I lived like 5 minutes from the office, a few times I played chicken with my unreliable oven to deliver fresh backed goods. Do all the prep work the night before, bake off a dozen buttermilk currant scones, toss them in a basket with a towel over them to keep the heat in, and run to clock in as close as I could. Fun times.
I can help you with that, read through the comments on this reddit thread - you will never want to go to another office potluck again. Ever. The comments are highly entertaining, however do not recommend reading while eating or shortly after eating, speaking from personal experience....
Heh, that was amusing.
There were people in my office who I would not touch what they brought to food day. Zero trust. But most people were OK. Most people who couldn’t cook were self aware enough to just bring chips or something pre-made from the store.
I’ve got bias for the whole German/American influence thing. My dad’s side of my family is German, came over when my grandfather was 5. So it’s hard for me to separate what came over from the old country with them, or was picked up via American diffusion. But a lot of our Christmas recipes are from there.
Bran Dawri wrote: Oh, I know where it came from. Wasn't being completely serious. Perhaps I should've included a smiley.
Anyway, I was just having a bit of a double dig at the saying "as American as apple pie" and the idea of cultural appropriation (but that's straying into Dakka no-no territory, so best just leave it), because there's nothing inherently american about that.
The comment about the best pie coming from Limburg stands though. I've had pies from all over the world, and they all fall short.
I do like "everyone bring some stuff" parties though. Excellent way to sample some new dishes, and get the recipe right from the source.
I wasn't angry, just wanted to clarify things because many people aren't aware of how various foods have been transmitted.
And in fact the excellence of that recipe is shown by the fact that it is actually called Dutch Apple Pie.
It's funny, because the only English stuff people brag about being authentic relates to tea. Yeah, fish and chips, but the Germans famously batter fry everything (including batter itself), so only partial credit can be awarded there.
Mince pie is something I've seen, but only old people seemed to like it. Usually served at Thanksgiving, when everyone under 60 was piling into the pumpkin pie.
Also now I think of it? Diced apple somehow feels more suited to a crumble? No crumbles are not pies.
Probably medium thickness? Thick enough that they maintain some consistency throughout the whole cooking process, but thin enough that they end up nice and soft at the end.
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Fish and chips is an early example of British multiculturalism in food. It is a fusion of Portuguese fried fish and Belgian chips that arose in the 1800's.
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I think the Brits can claim the whole "music hall" form of comedy as theirs without anyone objecting.
Dinner tonight was a simple chicken soup with onions, carrots from the garden, and rice. The rice makes it very thick, my wife says it's really a stew.
If I had a pie crush handy, it is dense enough to be a filling.
Since sugar cream pie exists the only arguments are what pie is second place, and exactly how little can you trust a person's opinion who doesn't like Shepard's Pie or Cottage Pie...
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Counterpoint: in heavily forested areas, log cabins were easier. Tree roots made digging difficult, so just cut down some trees to create a clearing, pile the logs up and cut a door. The Little House on the Prairie author has a story about building a cabin in the woods.
Michigan also has a pretty high water table (what with being a swamp surrounded by water), so above-ground shelters (tents with tree bark in some cases) was the basic idea.
I think pasties were popular because they could be produced locally - the climate favors animal husbandry, potatoes and just enough wheat to make a pastry shell.
I'd love to take a deer and report on the result of a venison pot pie.
Most of my experience was from the Great Prairie region. Typically, the cabins were built the following year after they passed the first winter.
Most of the pies they had (if any) were Pumpkin as these were easy to grow in autumn and still get a harvest.
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Just Tony wrote: Since sugar cream pie exists the only arguments are what pie is second place, and exactly how little can you trust a person's opinion who doesn't like Shepard's Pie or Cottage Pie...
You've clearly never had crossberry pie, or you wpuld know just how axiomatically wrong you are.
Shepherd's and cottage pies are good, don't get me wrong. I just think they're misnamed.
Also, venison pot pie? I think that might be our Christmas dinner now. Sounds really good.
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