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Well it's pretty obvious what the old world are going to be. Curious what's come for AoS.

Observation of the Box Art.

Two Chaos Terminators…with Power/Thunder Hammers.

Sign of a forthcoming kit refresh?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Observation of the Box Art.

Two Chaos Terminators…with Power/Thunder Hammers.

Sign of a forthcoming kit refresh?

One's very clearly meant to be a lord.

Companions look ace. Can't wait to buy them once they get their general release.

Kind of an underwhelming upgrade sprue. I feel like the black Templar one had much more character, as did the old veteran upgrade version

 GaroRobe wrote:
Kind of an underwhelming upgrade sprue. I feel like the black Templar one had much more character, as did the old veteran upgrade version

To be fair, the Templar one was weird. It basically was relics in model form.

I really love the use of firstborn helmets lately

For anyone interested and who is also mixing up which SM kits use which shoulder pads like me the DA upgrade sprue has the following shoulder pads:

6 Tacticus shoulders pads on the bottom right with one being a sergeant variant in the middle used by Intercessors, Hellblasters, Suppressors, Desolation Marines and Infernus Marines,
5 Phobos pads also on the bottom right that are used by Incursors, Infiltrators, Reivers (and Eliminators but those can't really be switched due to the capes),
5 Gravis pads on the bottom left with one being a sergeant variant in the middle used by Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators and Inceptors,
3 Elite Gravis pads on the top left with one being a sergeant variant in the middle used by Aggressors,
5 Terminator pads on the top left with three being ornate variants in the middle used by Terminators,
3 Elite Tacticus pads on the top right used by Outriders and Bladeguard Veterans

What we don't have pads for are Sternguard Veterans, Assault Intercessors and Jump Pack Intercessors as they use a kind of pad with a full guard? on the trim instead of just being on the front half like the Elite Tacticus version.
Also the Scouts which use trimless pads.

Looks like a few heads are intended to be used for bladeguard veterans? So the inner circle won’t be replacing them

 GaroRobe wrote:
Looks like a few heads are intended to be used for bladeguard veterans? So the inner circle won’t be replacing them

Well I expect that lot of those parts are interchangeable.

Very tempting but I'll save the cash for a new edition of Space Hulk.

Right. Now my mind has thrown it up I can’t unsee it. So it’s only fair under Internet Law I inflict this on as many as possible.

The Watcher In The Dark from the upgrade sprue bears a bizarre resemblance to a Game Show “Dolly Bird” showing off the prizes.

There. Enjoy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Observation of the Box Art.

Two Chaos Terminators…with Power/Thunder Hammers.

Sign of a forthcoming kit refresh?

That would be lovely. I miss having weapon options.

 Matrindur wrote:
Also if we estimate the price for Belial/Deathwing Knights/Upgrade sprue based on existing kits and add the codex and datacard prices, the army set would have about 312€ inside which at the last army set prices of 170€ would be a 46% discount. The last few army sets had about 43% discount so seems believable.
The assumed prices are: 35€ for Belial as he should be a bit more expensive than the pushfit Terminator Librarian, 55€ for the Deathwing Knights (same as the Terminators), 27€ for the upgrade sprue (same as the Cadian and BT ones) and the same prices for the Codex and Datacards as the current stuff so 46€ and 12€

Thanks for the calculation. I expect that the box will be a little more expensive than 170€ (if they stick with the price band to begin with) because of the annual price increase.

It would be a tempting box if I still played the game. I'd definitely want a modern version of my old Deathwing army.

Don't like Belial. This is one of the few examples where old model was better in every detail besides proportion, huge miss there

 GaroRobe wrote:
Kinda dumb they released bladeguard alongside the lion then. And made them deathwing

Because DA bladeguard are regular DA promoted to inner circle, similar to 30K companions, these seem to be primaris-ed Fallen loyal to Lion keeping eye on the whole DA mess for Lionel because he can't trust them after 10.000 years of routine betrayals of everyone around. That's why they wear black of old legion.

Pretty neat development, and certainly better than certain dumb fantasies of Lion just accepting all the above nonsense wholesale and jumping into deep end of treason himself, while completely ignoring his whole character development. I am shocked, I expected GW to just surrender to fanon again

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Observation of the Box Art.

Two Chaos Terminators…with Power/Thunder Hammers.

Sign of a forthcoming kit refresh?

I pointed out CSM termie champion (lord?) with two handed mace box art years ago and it never materialized so...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Right. Now my mind has thrown it up I can’t unsee it. So it’s only fair under Internet Law I inflict this on as many as possible.

The Watcher In The Dark from the upgrade sprue bears a bizarre resemblance to a Game Show “Dolly Bird” showing off the prizes.

There. Enjoy.

All I saw was purple, green, small, and carrying a book. Came to the obvious conclusion and wondered why Spike was wandering around without Twilight Sparkle.

Some nice miniatures revealed today, but I really don't get why they used some of the christmas rumour engines to tease a miniature that would be shown only days later. One of them was just yesterday, even.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Some nice miniatures revealed today, but I really don't get why they used some of the christmas rumour engines to tease a miniature that would be shown only days later. One of them was just yesterday, even.

Reveals were supposed to be all throughout the week. There was, as of yesterday, no 40k videos hidden but 2 AoS and 2 TOW.

The images were leaked sometime last night or this morning, so it seems GW just said “well sod you then” and released the main article.

Companions are pretty nice (with some snipping and knife work. The censers and purity seals are a bit much), with a lot of little details. The huge vambraces aren't great, but the iconography is interesting.

Belial could be more boring, but it would take some effort.

All told, GW needs to decide if marine robes and hoods are for inside, outside or upside down on models. All at once is a bit much, especially with helmets.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The images were leaked sometime last night or this morning, so it seems GW just said “well sod you then” and released the main article.

They said yesterday that there would be a "Huge reveal" today though, implying that this was meant to be what they were showing anyway regardless of a leak or not.

It just seems odd that at least 5 of the rumour engine picture from this christmas teaser stuff turned out to be something that would be shown within just a few weeks anyway. And from just 2 kits, even.

This isn't really "huge".

The reveal is literally Belial, the Companions, and the upgrade frame...which Lewis had mentioned already during the last stream.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

It just seems odd that at least 5 of the rumour engine picture from this christmas teaser stuff turned out to be something that would be shown within just a few weeks anyway. And from just 2 kits, even.

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that they used the entire advent engine for models from a single boxed set? Also it pretty obvious within the first week what was coming because all the pics were from the same two factions.

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't really "huge".

Sure it is. It's a £130+ boxed set that will set out on release day for huge profit.

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't really "huge".

The reveal is literally Belial, the Companions, and the upgrade frame...which Lewis had mentioned already during the last stream.

It's an updated iconic character, a completely new unit, a quite large upgrade set, an army box, and the codex reveal. Alongside a video for it.

I wonder just what you consider a big reveal if somehow that isn't much to you.

Last years reveal was Azrael. That’s it. This seems big.

Companions look fantastic.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't really "huge".

The reveal is literally Belial, the Companions, and the upgrade frame...which Lewis had mentioned already during the last stream.

It's an updated iconic character, a completely new unit, a quite large upgrade set, an army box, and the codex reveal. Alongside a video for it.

I wonder just what you consider a big reveal if somehow that isn't much to you.

I would have considered an Old World army box as a "huge reveal"...even if they had already been leaked.
I would have considered an announcement of Solar Auxilia a "huge reveal".
I would have considered a reveal of something Kroot as "huge".
I would have considered a reveal of either of the Order/Death Warbands for Warcry to be "huge".
There's a ton of things I would have considered "huge".


I do not consider an army set, featuring a single new unit, a resculpted character and an upgrade set mentioned before on stream, and a unit we already had seen(the Deathwing Knights) along with an army book with recycled artwork that is known to be the next codex coming to be "huge".

As a reminder, this is what the Sunday Preview said:

We’re off to hang our stockings and finish all of our last-minute preparations, but you won’t be without articles to read on Warhammer Community in the gap between Christmas and New Year. Tune in tomorrow for a huge reveal, followed by something special on Boxing Day. Throughout the week, there will be teases for what’s coming in 2024, as well as the result of this year’s Miniature of the Year vote.

YMMV, but "army set for a space marine faction that's the next codex to come" isn't "huge reveal" material to me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't really "huge".

The reveal is literally Belial, the Companions, and the upgrade frame...which Lewis had mentioned already during the last stream.

It's an updated iconic character, a completely new unit, a quite large upgrade set, an army box, and the codex reveal. Alongside a video for it.

I wonder just what you consider a big reveal if somehow that isn't much to you.

I would have considered an Old World army box as a "huge reveal"...even if they had already been leaked.
I would have considered an announcement of Solar Auxilia a "huge reveal".
I would have considered a reveal of something Kroot as "huge".
I would have considered a reveal of either of the Order/Death Warbands for Warcry to be "huge".
There's a ton of things I would have considered "huge".


I do not consider an army set, featuring a single new unit, a resculpted character and an upgrade set mentioned before on stream, and a unit we already had seen(the Deathwing Knights) along with an army book with recycled artwork that is known to be the next codex coming to be "huge".

As a reminder, this is what the Sunday Preview said:

We’re off to hang our stockings and finish all of our last-minute preparations, but you won’t be without articles to read on Warhammer Community in the gap between Christmas and New Year. Tune in tomorrow for a huge reveal, followed by something special on Boxing Day. Throughout the week, there will be teases for what’s coming in 2024, as well as the result of this year’s Miniature of the Year vote.

YMMV, but "army set for a space marine faction that's the next codex to come" isn't "huge reveal" material to me.

Well an updated iconic character model, a brand new unit, an upgrade sprue, a codex reveal, and an army box set with limited edition codex, all alongside a video for that, is clearly something that both GW themselves and the majority of others consider more than just a small reveal.

Again, the codex was already revealed.

They gave us this with Asmodai.

Maybe itnis my colourblind eyes, but arw thise Red robes on the Companions?

Shouldn't they be Dark Green or Cream?

So... slightly different Bladeguard.

Yep. The variant codexes do continue to deliver.