Dysartes wrote: For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
Use a wicking poly cement.
Seriously, flat surface, two halves, dab of dichloromethane or whatever, job done. Flip it over and do the other side if you’re feeling paranoid.
Dysartes wrote: For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
Use a wicking poly cement.
Seriously, flat surface, two halves, dab of dichloromethane or whatever, job done. Flip it over and do the other side if you’re feeling paranoid.
It's more a question of how ugly it ends up.
Just knocked a beakie together. Looks pretty good. A touch of Vallejo plastic putty should hide the minimal seam.
Dysartes wrote: For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
Use a wicking poly cement.
Seriously, flat surface, two halves, dab of dichloromethane or whatever, job done. Flip it over and do the other side if you’re feeling paranoid.
It's more a question of how ugly it ends up.
Just knocked a beakie together. Looks pretty good. A touch of Vallejo plastic putty should hide the minimal seam.
slap a layer of paint over it and that might be all you need
Albertorius wrote: So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Using Corvus for IW makes you a filthy traitor loyalist.
Albertorius wrote: So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Using Corvus for IW makes you a filthy traitor loyalist.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Had to get rid of that ludicrously large sword on the Praetor, and I think the Mark II head looks decent:
Spoiler:
Yeah I already marked that original sword for a Primarch, it's way too much for a marine (as is the axe imo). Luckily I have a Lion model with a flaky sword that it will work great on. Might give one to Dorn too.
I'm torn on what to do with mine. Do I keep on with my emperor's children, add to my world eaters, or start a small loyalist force that I can use for battles with the aforementioned. I suppose with the amount of models in the box I could probably do all three if I really wanted. The praetors too, so many potential options...
Dysartes wrote: For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
Use a wicking poly cement.
Seriously, flat surface, two halves, dab of dichloromethane or whatever, job done. Flip it over and do the other side if you’re feeling paranoid.
It's more a question of how ugly it ends up.
Just knocked a beakie together. Looks pretty good. A touch of Vallejo plastic putty should hide the minimal seam.
On the bare plastic it looks significant, but maybe with a coat of paint it'll be okay. Is it hard to line them up? I notice the front half of the pad is sitting a hair lower than the rear half.
Dysartes wrote: For those of you with the box already, and who haven't thrown a hissy fit about the split shoulder pads, how are you finding them? Is the seam turning out to be an issue or not?
Use a wicking poly cement.
Seriously, flat surface, two halves, dab of dichloromethane or whatever, job done. Flip it over and do the other side if you’re feeling paranoid.
It's more a question of how ugly it ends up.
Just knocked a beakie together. Looks pretty good. A touch of Vallejo plastic putty should hide the minimal seam.
On the bare plastic it looks significant, but maybe with a coat of paint it'll be okay. Is it hard to line them up? I notice the front half of the pad is sitting a hair lower than the rear half.
No, not difficult. Just quickly put together at 2 AM while running on about an hour of sleep the past two days. Couldn't help it, I haven't assembled a plastic beakie since the 1980s, and wanted to compare it to a Primaris. They definitely look a whole lot better than the original minis. And they're finally bigger than Guardsmen.
Prometheum5 wrote: Quick question for US folks, have your FW orders with the new Sons or IF upgrade parts shipped?
I am from Canada (which rely on the same warehouse in Texas), ordered mine the 12th of June... and I still hav'nt receive anything nor had sign from ForgeWorld website that is had been shipped. My label is still under "Pending". I will contact them in a day or two if i don't see any change of status.
Gert wrote: Sorry where does it say the rulebook is limited?
It’s billed as a special collectors edition which generally means limited. And that’s putting aside the fact that this appears after launch with the limited cards and tokens.
Did you not read the bit where it says there's multiple versions of the book coming out?
This is the same lavishly illustrated and comprehensive rulebook found in the Age of Darkness boxed set. It’s available in English, French, and German, as a standard hardback rulebook, an ePub, or in a special collector’s edition – artfully finished with bonded leather covers and metal corner protectors.
Thats the normal version of the book and a collectors edition.
Gert wrote: Did you not read the bit where it says there's multiple versions of the book coming out?
Yes, but what’s that got to do with the fact that they release a special edition rulebook after the launch of the box set with the standard rulebook and collectors edition tokens and the like?
zedmeister wrote: Yes, but what’s that got to do with the fact that they release a special edition rulebook after the launch of the box set with the standard rulebook and collectors edition tokens and the like?
You said the rulebook was limited.
zedmeister wrote: Are you joking
Limited rulebook after launch. The bastards really try to get you
You were proven wrong.
Are you just complaining that Ltd Ed stuff wasn't released at the same time?
zedmeister wrote: Yes, but what’s that got to do with the fact that they release a special edition rulebook after the launch of the box set with the standard rulebook and collectors edition tokens and the like?
You said the rulebook was limited. You were proven wrong.
Are you just complaining that Ltd Ed stuff wasn't released at the same time?
They didn’t say the rulebook was limited ffs. They were clearly talking about the special/collectors/limited/whatever edition one.
zedmeister wrote: Yes, but what’s that got to do with the fact that they release a special edition rulebook after the launch of the box set with the standard rulebook and collectors edition tokens and the like?
You said the rulebook was limited.
zedmeister wrote: Are you joking
Limited rulebook after launch. The bastards really try to get you
You were proven wrong.
Are you just complaining that Ltd Ed stuff wasn't released at the same time?
If you can point to an existing ‘special edition’ rulebook that is kept in print as a regular stock item, I’ll admit I’m wrong. Until then, having a limited rulebook launched after the box set with limited items is a definite kick in the teeth.
Whatever man. If the normal rulebook was limited I could understand the rage post but it's a launch of a new edition of a game and this guy is mad the releases are spread out. I'm not taking that seriously.
JWBS wrote: Collector's looks a lot worse than the standard. Smaller illustration, plastic coating, and some foil slapped on the corners.
Problem is, for fools like me who’ve bought all the previous black books, limited ones included, having a new version with the same design and metal corners as the old ones would be my preferred rulebook over the standard. Not being able to purchase it at launch is annoying, especially as I want to get hold of the cards and tokens as well. But, ah fool me…
I understood what he meant. *After* the 2.0 launch with the rulebook in the box, GW are releasing the collectors edition, which are always limited. So if you're the sort of person that really likes those, and you've already bought the AoD box you're paying for 2 rulebooks. If it'd come out at the same time as AoD, and/or not been in the big box, people could have made a choice and not double up.
So a bit of a dick move from GW, to try and get people to spend more by staggering the releases this way.
The article is clear the same book as the box is also coming, and says it first, so it seems unlikely zedmeister meant to say the *only* version of the rulebook is limited.
Yes, it could have been phrased slightly better. And now we're all 10 minutes older for little gain.
tl;dr - 'a' is implied in front of 'limited rulebook after launch', not 'the'.
JWBS wrote: Collector's looks a lot worse than the standard. Smaller illustration, plastic coating, and some foil slapped on the corners.
Problem is, for fools like me who’ve bought all the previous black books, limited ones included, having a new version with the same design and metal corners as the old ones would be my preferred rulebook over the standard. Not being able to purchase it at launch is annoying, especially as I want to get hold of the cards and tokens as well. But, ah fool me…
So had book been out this week...you would have not orderded box?
Surely you didn't expect limited to be in box? That would have meant only few thousand boxes as the book is...you know limited
Btw this was 100% predictable release and main draw of box was discount models if limited rulebook was only thing you were after you already had information Needed to know it was coming. Q was just date. Would it have been better if it was month later?
So had book been out this week...you would have not orderded box?
…snip…
Q was just date. Would it have been better if it was month later?
No, having thought about it I’d have just got the rulebook to be honest and would have tried to source the tokens elsewhere if at all. To have the limited rulebook after the main launch is unusual from GW and I believe a first.
Edit - to add, having this information ahead of time would’ve been nice so that I could have made a better decision for me.
I couldn't care less about a Ltd edition rulebook.. they are offering A LEGIT EPUB VERSION OF THE 30K.2.0 RULEBOOK!
Very happy, this means I wont have to DIY my own dataslate edition of the rulebook. I hope GW will also release the armybooks as epubs now. Very pleased!!
I can only hope this means we will be seeing more digital editions of the rulebooks again in the mear future. I love having all my official rulebooks on my iPad, and hate lugging physical books around to a game. Hell, I even upgraded to a spanking new M1 iPad Air this week, iPads FTW
tauist wrote: I couldn't care less about a Ltd edition rulebook.. they are offering A LEGIT EPUB VERSION OF THE 30K.2.0 RULEBOOK!
Very happy, this means I wont have to DIY my own dataslate edition of the rulebook. I hope GW will also release the armybooks as epubs now. Very pleased!!
I can only hope this means we will be seeing more digital editions of the rulebooks again in the mear future. I love having all my official rulebooks on my iPad, and hate lugging physical books around to a game. Hell, I even upgraded to a spanking new M1 iPad Air this week, iPads FTW
I'm positively surprised about that. Since they don't do that anymore with their other mainline games and the Liber Astartes/Hereticus didn't get one I wasn't expecting them to. Maybe the Libers will get one too next week? If that actually happens it could mean they listened to the backlash about physical only books and will bring back a digital version for the next 40k/AoS editions?
tauist wrote: I couldn't care less about a Ltd edition rulebook.. they are offering A LEGIT EPUB VERSION OF THE 30K.2.0 RULEBOOK!
Very happy, this means I wont have to DIY my own dataslate edition of the rulebook. I hope GW will also release the armybooks as epubs now. Very pleased!!
I can only hope this means we will be seeing more digital editions of the rulebooks again in the mear future. I love having all my official rulebooks on my iPad, and hate lugging physical books around to a game. Hell, I even upgraded to a spanking new M1 iPad Air this week, iPads FTW
I'm positively surprised about that. Since they don't do that anymore with their other mainline games and the Liber Astartes/Hereticus didn't get one I wasn't expecting them to. Maybe the Libers will get one too next week? If that actually happens it could mean they listened to the backlash about physical only books and will bring back a digital version for the next 40k/AoS editions?
It would be nice if they did that, but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet. Horus Heresy has been getting a special treatment in many regards, take a look at the special weapons kit for example, a comparable kit for 40K would be unheard of! So perhaps HH getting epubs is another similar case of getting treated differently.
But I suppose if the epubs sell well enough, we will be seeing more of them. I hope the digital rulebook will at least sell well enough that they also decide to release the army books as epubs.
Are people really complaining about GW realizing the books on their own because...they couldn't wait a single week ? Well, it's usual GW practice, so...
I'll gladly buy the limited book and the army books, if I wake up early enough Saturday^^
Agamemnon2 wrote: I just schlepped the box home and I'm already regretting it :-D
I think I'll baggie up everything that'll be going on sale at some point so the gigantic pile of sprues doesn't look so bad...
What are you planning on shifting vs. keeping?
I'm thinking I might offload 15-30 of the Mk6s, at least one Praetor and maybe half the Cataphractii
That's what I am waiting for in 2-4 months when the 'new shiny model syndrome' has worn off and the bandwagon jumpers are selling off their HH model for the 'next new fomo shiny'. The deals should be fantastic I would imagine. Hopefully plastic Mechanicum is a reality. I love resin models and metal models but some kits would work well in plastic.
Hopefully plastic Thunderhawk, warhound titan ( yeah im dreaming) and maybe some Dark Mechanicum goodies.
Glad everyone is liking their new toys. I've loved HH for about 15 years now and it's good to see people taking the plunge. I hope the 2.0 rules are updated and make sense. I think our group is going to stick with 1.0 rules but more asses in the seats is always good thing for the health of the game.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I was hoping for a paperback small copy of the rules, but an epub I think I will get.
Speaking of rules, I found rending in the special rules, but not breaching.
Rules for Breaching are in the Liber Heretics/Astartes books under Legiones Astartes Special Rules, along with about half or more of the various other special rules like Reach.
Albertorius wrote: So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Using Corvus for IW makes you a filthy traitor loyalist.
I mean... I am a loyalist, so... ^^
Lmao, fair enough then.
It was my belief that Mk. VI was limited distribution near the end of the heresy, so it's doubtful that the traitors would have managed to get any significant amount.
Albertorius wrote: So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Using Corvus for IW makes you a filthy traitor loyalist.
I mean... I am a loyalist, so... ^^
Lmao, fair enough then.
It was my belief that Mk. VI was limited distribution near the end of the heresy, so it's doubtful that the traitors would have managed to get any significant amount.
I think they’ve changed it slightly so it was a bit more widespread towards the end of the Heresy. And the Traitors were actually disproportionately well equipped (edit: at the outbreak of the heresy at least) due to Horus as the Warmaster ensuring the legions loyal to him were well kitted out before they revealed themselves.
Albertorius wrote: So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Using Corvus for IW makes you a filthy traitor loyalist.
I mean... I am a loyalist, so... ^^
Lmao, fair enough then.
It was my belief that Mk. VI was limited distribution near the end of the heresy, so it's doubtful that the traitors would have managed to get any significant amount.
The new core book pages on armor marks mentions millions of suits of armor being produced, so small amounts is a relative term. In 40K Dark Angels stand out for having enough suits of TDA armor for 100 troops. In the heresy, shipments of armor were in the thousands a delivery.
Albertorius wrote: So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Using Corvus for IW makes you a filthy traitor loyalist.
I mean... I am a loyalist, so... ^^
Lmao, fair enough then.
It was my belief that Mk. VI was limited distribution near the end of the heresy, so it's doubtful that the traitors would have managed to get any significant amount.
Nah that got retconned, now it was being given out before the end of the great crusade. Every legion got at least some, and by the siege it was the most common mark for both sides.
ImAGeek wrote:-SNIP-
I think they’ve changed it slightly so it was a bit more widespread towards the end of the Heresy. And the Traitors were actually disproportionately well equipped (edit: at the outbreak of the heresy at least) due to Horus as the Warmaster ensuring the legions loyal to him were well kitted out before they revealed themselves.
MajorWesJanson wrote:-SNIP-
The new core book pages on armor marks mentions millions of suits of armor being produced, so small amounts is a relative term. In 40K Dark Angels stand out for having enough suits of TDA armor for 100 troops. In the heresy, shipments of armor were in the thousands a delivery.
Huh, I was speaking based on the RGHH books where Corvus was playing with making Primaris marines. I guess that was probably a while before the seige though.
Albertorius wrote: So far I've assembled five of them and used the shoulder pads I printed while doing it (1-hour print for 60 pads, because feth the studded seam). Yes, they're not technically corvus shoulder pads, but I believe the regular corvus look a bit too bland when painting IWs, as there's not really any rim to paint a different metal tone.
Using Corvus for IW makes you a filthy traitor loyalist.
I mean... I am a loyalist, so... ^^
Lmao, fair enough then.
It was my belief that Mk. VI was limited distribution near the end of the heresy, so it's doubtful that the traitors would have managed to get any significant amount.
Well, I still don't know if I'll paint as IWs more than the 10 I'm doing right now, TBH.
I don't mind getting the special edition rulebook (I have the regular one from the box set that I bought and can use for a gaming copy) to go with my full 1st ed hardcover book set HOWEVER if they do that for the hereticus and loyalist books in a couple of weeks I will not be impressed.
lord_blackfang wrote: Are these heroes midgets tho, they are from before the embiggening?
They're originally from Betrayal at Calth, so they're same scale as the mark IV and cataphractii release - before the upscaling. So Kurtha Sedd definitely will need a leg up; cataphractii is still a bit taller than the new mark VI, though its nearer the same eyeline post embiggening.
lord_blackfang wrote: Are these heroes midgets tho, they are from before the embiggening?
They're originally from Betrayal at Calth, so they're same scale as the mark IV and cataphractii release - before the upscaling. So Kurtha Sedd definitely will need a leg up; cataphractii is still a bit taller than the new mark VI, though its nearer the same eyeline post embiggening.
The Cataphractii Terminators are taller as the Mk4 and in-scale with the Mk6.
The chaplian/consul though? He's gonna be the size of mark iv marines, and will be smaller
B-but the influencers told me there was 100% no difference at all and haters were nitpicking!
No one said there was no differance. people have been saying that "you proably won't notice much diff buried on the table" but HQs are a bit differant in that regard as they're SUPPOSED to be noticable
The chaplian/consul though? He's gonna be the size of mark iv marines, and will be smaller
B-but the influencers told me there was 100% no difference at all and haters were nitpicking!
No one said there was no differance. people have been saying that "you proably won't notice much diff buried on the table" but HQs are a bit differant in that regard as they're SUPPOSED to be noticable
Nonsense, there were plenty of people saying there was no difference, scale creep wasn't real and "haters need to stop looking for things to complain about."
The narrative only swung (predictably) to "well there is a difference, you just won't notice it!" when people got their hands on the open day models and were able to see the difference for themselves. Even then that still didn't stop some (*cough* LeakyCheese) insisting there still wasn't one.
zanzibarthefirst wrote: Disappointing eBay prices. Really hoped to pick up a cheap mkvi squad and contemptor.
Honest question, what price do you consider cheap? I've seen mkvi going for anything from £14-19. It'll probably go lower when the people who bought too many boxes get desperate to shift the excess like what happened with Dominion (less so Indomitus but obvious reasons)
Oh there's definitely a difference, but it's more in the proportion than the physical size, aside from some specific and especially small forgeworld resin.
The plastic praetor /chaplain combo pack are particularly ugly sculpts, and I'd take the forgeworld praetor combo resin over them 7 days a week and twice on sundays (they're actually not terribly priced considering it's a two pack). The resin cataphractii praetor is particularly awesome looking, and the PA praetor has a sweet archeotech pistol.
The ebay prices I'm seeing on box splits are incredibly good vs buying retail. I mean I saw several Spartans at $65 USD, and you know that will be AT LEAST a $100+ kit.
This boxed set is just a really uncharacteristically good deal considering GW's recent prices.
zanzibarthefirst wrote: Disappointing eBay prices. Really hoped to pick up a cheap mkvi squad and contemptor.
squads may be possible, but i doubt the one per box brand new contemptor was ever going to be anything but expensive (though the older ropey one might get a bit cheaper but most of those will be built and badly painted already)
zanzibarthefirst wrote: Disappointing eBay prices. Really hoped to pick up a cheap mkvi squad and contemptor.
squads may be possible, but i doubt the one per box brand new contemptor was ever going to be anything but expensive (though the older ropey one might get a bit cheaper but most of those will be built and badly painted already)
It may also be seeing a FW related premium?
By that, those who were already invested in Heresy, are still seeing the parts market through Expensive Resin Tinted Glasses.
For an “out my arse, not meant to be particularly accurate” example? If a 20 strong infantry unit is £90 in resin, getting it parted out, in plastic, for £40 is still seen as a bargain, even where it’s plastic retail price is £45? That it’s only a £5 saving like for like, it’s being significantly less than the previous “that or GTFO” £90 that’s sticking in peoples minds.
Note this is not some sneer at those who were playing Resin Heresy. Rather it’s more a postulation on the oddities of consumer behaviour.
Agamemnon2 wrote: As much as I dislike nitpicking about Space Marine height, I regret this digression even more now.
For anyone concerned about the matter of the new Corvus being too hench, I suggest purchasing some Mk6 Tactical Podiums, as seen here:
See? Everyone's happy and the Lieutenant can still be told apart at 400 paces, to the delight of enemy snipers everywhere.
tacticool rock strikes again to remove incompetent officers via enemy sniper.
Saves your own mens bullets and wastes your enemies.
Not reccomended for competent personell.
He's a very, very old Space Marine officer armed with a particularly strange looking sword. It looks kind of normal from the side profile, but the blade is flanged out to this strange broad shape by the hilt.
According to the sacred texts, his name is "Captain Reece"
Agamemnon2 wrote: He's a very, very old Space Marine officer armed with a particularly strange looking sword. It looks kind of normal from the side profile, but the blade is flanged out to this strange broad shape by the hilt.
Big box of stuff today (21 pounds, according to the label).
Everything present and intact, but the Kratos and Deimos boxes were badly beaten (though not the sprues), because the warehouse guys didn't know how to pack ~350 page shelf breakers next to light cardboard and plastic. A couple layers of heavy paper were not really sufficient.
So... I have some required reading to do. And a lot of things to assemble.
I am familiar with the kris and no, that's not it at all. That's not what I meant at all. The tip and middle of the blade are normal, but the third of it closest to the handle doesn't widen, it thickens, into what I can only describe as a weird slab, it has no cutting edge at all in that section.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's a good comparison really. Everything there looks right to me.
The sticking point when comparing them with oldmarines (other than height, which I feel is almost irrelevant) are proportions.
If you put them side by side, it's clear how much they have tweaked proportions:
Spoiler:
Most obvious on the legs, of course, but also the torso and the heads. It is definitely noticeable side by side, but I can't deny that the new proportions look much more organic.
I'm curious to see how Mk7s will look in the same proportion. It's inevitable that someone in the community will scale them up, embiggening them to match the new Mk6s.
arkhanist wrote: The series 1 Heroes models are very close to the new scale in Mark VII.
Ah, I'd quite forgotten about them. Alas, they're very hard to come by reasonably these days, so I don't own any. Almost all the ones on ebay are in the UK, and postage from there is so extortionately expensive post-Brexit that it's not worth it anymore.
Now that more people have the kits, could someone post a clear comparison pic of a Praetor next to the Primaris (and perhaps a beakie as well.) It seems to me that the Preators a re quite a bit chunkier than the basic beakies, but I'd like to see how they compare to the Primaris.
The axe praetor is fething huge. I honestly keep thinking he's a terminator he's that bulky. I haven't put mine together yet though, so I can't help you i'm afraid.
stahly - Great comparison photos. Thanks for that!
The Phazer wrote: It is a bit unfortunate how titchy and disproportionate the Mk IV look now.
I really wonder if that might get redone sooner than we think.
I expect we will get more plastic Mk4 infantry, but they won't be tactical squads, but rather some of the specialist troops it will make sense for GW to move away from resin. So the hypothetical plastic breachers, assault squads or destroyer squads could show up wearing Mk3 or Mk4. I feel it would be a mistake for them to just spend so much design and machine time in producing variants of one unit - even if these hypothetical Mk4+ tacticals would presumably be compatible with the new special and heavy weapons sprues (the former especially could be made to work if the arms were recut to match the way the Mk6 sprues have them, although that would lock the squad to the same poses as the new beakies).
Snrub wrote: The axe praetor is fething huge. I honestly keep thinking he's a terminator he's that bulky. I haven't put mine together yet though, so I can't help you i'm afraid.
stahly - Great comparison photos. Thanks for that!
Crimson - From stahly's blog.
Spoiler:
Like I said... Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge.
Aaah! Vampire!
Is it just him or is the other Praetor in the box equally huge?
Have been very tempted by the new box set as the miniatures look so nice. Picked up a sprue off eBay just to have a play with them and have to say I really didn't enjoy putting the first example together. I thought the peg on the side of the torso was meant to help position the arms correctly but there still seemed to be a lot of play in them and I had a real nightmare trying to line up the arms and then attach the hands.
Going to try and put together a couple more over the weekend just in case it was that particular model I was working on but it's certainly made me hold off pulling the trigger on the box set for now.
Can that image just be pinned in the first post cause the constant scale debate (it's not even a debate btw - it's clear there's a difference in scale - but there's no point arguing here whether it's good and bad) is tiresome and incredibly stupid.
StraightSilver wrote: I had no idea the Praetor was so massive. I have the models on sprue and it didn't look that big.
It seems pretty daft that he looks so out of scale tbh.
He's probably not a lot smaller than a Primarch....
I'm basically interested in knowing if the Praetors have the bulk of a Primaris marine, so that they (or their bits) could be used to build more ornate Primaris chracters.
StraightSilver wrote: I had no idea the Praetor was so massive. I have the models on sprue and it didn't look that big.
It seems pretty daft that he looks so out of scale tbh.
He's probably not a lot smaller than a Primarch....
The FW Primarchs aren't in a consistent scale themselves. The early ones are a lot smaller than the more recent ones, irrespective of the relative in-universe size. Gulliman, Aurellian etc, quite small. Angron also smaller than fluff would dictate. Horus, who should be large, is smaller than Lion / Khan etc. Vulcan, canonically the largest, again smaller than all of the recent crop.
Yeah even that sword is an EC type sword imo. I got two AoD boxes and I'm going to use the Praetor sword for Lion and Dorn, and the mkvi upgrade sprue sword will used on lesser but still important guys (EC, Praetor etc).
Jeez, that dreadnaught ought to be worried, never mind the Primarch's! With his size a d that sword it looks like he could easily just cut the missile launcher off the top of it or stab it straight in the face.
I feel like if they are going to scale up the size of people, which I don't hate tbh, then they need to start upscaling the vehicles, as they were already a bit small scale wise. You'll struggle to convince me a Rhino could hold many of these guys, unless it has the ability to melt them all into goo and store them as an amorphous blob, then separate and reassemble them upon disembarking.
BigOscar wrote: Jeez, that dreadnaught ought to be worried, never mind the Primarch's! With his size a d that sword it looks like he could easily just cut the missile launcher off the top of it or stab it straight in the face.
I feel like if they are going to scale up the size of people, which I don't hate tbh, then they need to start upscaling the vehicles, as they were already a bit small scale wise. You'll struggle to convince me a Rhino could hold many of these guys, unless it has the ability to melt them all into goo and store them as an amorphous blob, then separate and reassemble them upon disembarking.
You can't. I'm building a 1/18 rc Rhino for my Joytoy Marines. I can't remember what they are, but I had to determine the scale, and the minis and vehicles are not the same scale.
BigOscar wrote: Jeez, that dreadnaught ought to be worried, never mind the Primarch's! With his size a d that sword it looks like he could easily just cut the missile launcher off the top of it or stab it straight in the face.
I feel like if they are going to scale up the size of people, which I don't hate tbh, then they need to start upscaling the vehicles, as they were already a bit small scale wise. You'll struggle to convince me a Rhino could hold many of these guys, unless it has the ability to melt them all into goo and store them as an amorphous blob, then separate and reassemble them upon disembarking.
BigOscar wrote: Jeez, that dreadnaught ought to be worried, never mind the Primarch's! With his size a d that sword it looks like he could easily just cut the missile launcher off the top of it or stab it straight in the face.
I feel like if they are going to scale up the size of people, which I don't hate tbh, then they need to start upscaling the vehicles, as they were already a bit small scale wise. You'll struggle to convince me a Rhino could hold many of these guys, unless it has the ability to melt them all into goo and store them as an amorphous blob, then separate and reassemble them upon disembarking.
You can't. I'm building a 1/18 rc Rhino for my Joytoy Marines. I can't remember what they are, but I had to determine the scale, and the minis and vehicles are not the same scale.
Yea rhino should be at land raider size at bare minimum.
StraightSilver wrote: I had no idea the Praetor was so massive. I have the models on sprue and it didn't look that big.
It seems pretty daft that he looks so out of scale tbh.
He's probably not a lot smaller than a Primarch....
The FW Primarchs aren't in a consistent scale themselves. The early ones are a lot smaller than the more recent ones, irrespective of the relative in-universe size. Gulliman, Aurellian etc, quite small. Angron also smaller than fluff would dictate. Horus, who should be large, is smaller than Lion / Khan etc. Vulcan, canonically the largest, again smaller than all of the recent crop.
You see this is actually a common misconception. The lion is the best primarch so it stands to reason he is also the biggest.
BigOscar wrote: Jeez, that dreadnaught ought to be worried, never mind the Primarch's! With his size a d that sword it looks like he could easily just cut the missile launcher off the top of it or stab it straight in the face.
I feel like if they are going to scale up the size of people, which I don't hate tbh, then they need to start upscaling the vehicles, as they were already a bit small scale wise. You'll struggle to convince me a Rhino could hold many of these guys, unless it has the ability to melt them all into goo and store them as an amorphous blob, then separate and reassemble them upon disembarking.
You can't. I'm building a 1/18 rc Rhino for my Joytoy Marines. I can't remember what they are, but I had to determine the scale, and the minis and vehicles are not the same scale.
Yea rhino should be at land raider size at bare minimum.
But at that point playbility starts suffer.
I don't really mind the vehicles being too small. It does help that they seem to all be too small across all ranges.
StraightSilver wrote: I had no idea the Praetor was so massive. I have the models on sprue and it didn't look that big.
It seems pretty daft that he looks so out of scale tbh.
He's probably not a lot smaller than a Primarch....
The FW Primarchs aren't in a consistent scale themselves. The early ones are a lot smaller than the more recent ones, irrespective of the relative in-universe size. Gulliman, Aurellian etc, quite small. Angron also smaller than fluff would dictate. Horus, who should be large, is smaller than Lion / Khan etc. Vulcan, canonically the largest, again smaller than all of the recent crop.
You see this is actually a common misconception. The lion is the best primarch so it stands to reason he is also the biggest.
And to think, some considered Gulliman a more worthy candidate for Warmaster than Johnson. Preposterous! You can see just by looking at them!
The vehicles are in the correct nominal scale, at least by the conversions/math I've done.
They just aren't designed to be real vehicles (don't have engines, pilots, etc) and also aren't designed to actually hold space marines. Although I haven't actually mathed out if space marine models are "correct" for the in-universe numbers given...
StraightSilver wrote: I had no idea the Praetor was so massive. I have the models on sprue and it didn't look that big.
It seems pretty daft that he looks so out of scale tbh.
He's probably not a lot smaller than a Primarch....
The FW Primarchs aren't in a consistent scale themselves. The early ones are a lot smaller than the more recent ones, irrespective of the relative in-universe size. Gulliman, Aurellian etc, quite small. Angron also smaller than fluff would dictate. Horus, who should be large, is smaller than Lion / Khan etc. Vulcan, canonically the largest, again smaller than all of the recent crop.
You see this is actually a common misconception. The lion is the best primarch so it stands to reason he is also the biggest.
And to think, some considered Gulliman a more worthy candidate for Warmaster than Johnson. Preposterous! You can see just by looking at them!
Eh this looks about the same difference as between Mk4 and Mk6 plastics, ie. completely undetectable from more than a foot away.
maccrage wrote: Unfortunately I only recently got back into 40K, so I don't have any older Marines for comparison.
Is it perspective? Or is the commanders right army l o n g ?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Got my map in the mail today! Looking forward to getting this laminated so we can draw on it for our campaign games in store. It's a lot bigger than I expected it to be!
Am I the only one noticing... that the new shoulder pad and head from Sons of Horus (even Imperial Fist one) are... actually no more available on Forgeworld website?
I've preordered mine about a week before the release... and hav'nt even receive mine yet. I tried contact FW three times... no answer at all from them... Anyone here having the same issue?
Qcbob wrote: Am I the only one noticing... that the new shoulder pad and head from Sons of Horus (even Imperial Fist one) are... actually no more available on Forgeworld website?
I've preordered mine about a week before the release... and hav'nt even receive mine yet. I tried contact FW three times... no answer at all from them... Anyone here having the same issue?
I dunno about FW NONE of the new HH stuff is showing up on the GW website right now. which is a little... weird
I don't seem to be having that issue with either US site?
I would just really like FW to ship my MkIV upgrade parts that I preordered ahead of the release date... all my marines are assembled and ready for their bits.
One ultra-posable Contemptor Dreadnought chassis
Two heads, one of which can equip an optional helical targeting array
Four chestplate styles, with Loyalist and Traitor options
Two big old punchy hands, buildable as fists* or chainfists
Five different guns to go in those fists
Eight different arm-mounted guns, usable on the right or left side
A havoc missile launcher
Fetching shield and scroll details to smarten up your chassis"
StraightSilver wrote: I had no idea the Praetor was so massive. I have the models on sprue and it didn't look that big.
It seems pretty daft that he looks so out of scale tbh.
He's probably not a lot smaller than a Primarch....
The FW Primarchs aren't in a consistent scale themselves. The early ones are a lot smaller than the more recent ones, irrespective of the relative in-universe size. Gulliman, Aurellian etc, quite small. Angron also smaller than fluff would dictate. Horus, who should be large, is smaller than Lion / Khan etc. Vulcan, canonically the largest, again smaller than all of the recent crop.
You see this is actually a common misconception. The lion is the best primarch so it stands to reason he is also the biggest.
And to think, some considered Gulliman a more worthy candidate for Warmaster than Johnson. Preposterous! You can see just by looking at them!
well lorewise virgin Robute has no chances in a duel against chad Lion, and now that we've seen the minins its easy to understand why.
thank you for the side by side photo.
So, are those weapons going to be available separately? Or is anyone buying one of the Legion specific Contemptors expected to buy one of these in order to get them (or two, if they want to double up on any of the guns)?
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, are those weapons going to be available separately?
I would doubt it, as half the options are on the main body sprue (Autocannon, Melta, Lascannon & Heavy Bolter). They might do a weapon sprue later with them all, so it's easier to double up.
So far, f.e. the deimos rhino is cheaper over here than the old SM / CSM rhino, and has more options.
If that thing is priced well i can see getting another 1-2 for the single one in my boxset-
JWBS wrote: Redemptor is £42.50. They could maybe make this £35 if they're feeling generous? But even that would make it quite pricey compared to the AoD version.
well lorewise virgin Robute has no chances in a duel against chad Lion, and now that we've seen the minins its easy to understand why.
thank you for the side by side photo.
Lorewise every primarch was able to beat any primarch.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, are those weapons going to be available separately? Or is anyone buying one of the Legion specific Contemptors expected to buy one of these in order to get them (or two, if they want to double up on any of the guns)?
Even if this kit is £42 (the same price as a FW body with no weapons), it's still a better deal than previously. You buy one plastic Contemptor and you get enough weapons to equip five. If you really don't want the body then sell it on or trade it, there will be plenty of people looking for one.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, are those weapons going to be available separately?
I would doubt it, as half the options are on the main body sprue (Autocannon, Melta, Lascannon & Heavy Bolter). They might do a weapon sprue later with them all, so it's easier to double up.
That sprue is almost entirely weapons, with only the shoulders as the only main body parts on it. Doesn't seem too far fetched for it to become available separately or for Forge World to bundle it with their resin Contemptors.
Voss wrote: So... I guess the upshot of this is 'don't assemble the box set one, buy this one and use the extra bits to make two good contemptors instead.'
I thought the exact same thing. There is just enough extra bits in the kit that you can use the spares to enhance your AoD box one as well.
My AoD box did actually ship today which was a nice surprise! Just in time for my first holiday segment starting next week.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, are those weapons going to be available separately?
I would doubt it, as half the options are on the main body sprue (Autocannon, Melta, Lascannon & Heavy Bolter). They might do a weapon sprue later with them all, so it's easier to double up.
They aren’t though? The weapons and arms are all on a separate sprue to the main body/armour.
The new sprue should contain a mix of three armour plates, one helmet, one fist, two chain sword fingers (assuming they go with the Forge World style middle finger chainfist) the new weapons and, hopefully, a second set of elbows. Oh and the helical targeting array gubbins.
So if they really wanted to they could sell a Contemptor upgrade set with the two weapon sprues but that seems incredibly unlikely.
Voss wrote: So... I guess the upshot of this is 'don't assemble the box set one, buy this one and use the extra bits to make two good contemptors instead.'
I thought the exact same thing. There is just enough extra bits in the kit that you can use the spares to enhance your AoD box one as well.
My AoD box did actually ship today which was a nice surprise! Just in time for my first holiday segment starting next week.
I'm also curious if I can strip down and rebuild the Calth contemptor with the new weapons or even a chest plate.
Weapons should be easy, chest plates might be too much work (the models are already built).
One ultra-posable Contemptor Dreadnought chassis
Two heads, one of which can equip an optional helical targeting array
Four chestplate styles, with Loyalist and Traitor options
Two big old punchy hands, buildable as fists* or chainfists
Five different guns to go in those fists
Eight different arm-mounted guns, usable on the right or left side
A havoc missile launcher
Fetching shield and scroll details to smarten up your chassis"
I'll have to hold off on building my contemptor I think until I see the sprues for the separate one -- I want to make sure I get the magnets right. It'll be easier if they have additional "biceps" but I don't think they will.
Even then I might wait and probably 3d print some, as magnetizing that part is way easier than doing the hinge joint at the weapon. Plus I've already magnetized one Iron Hands resin dread that way and don't want to change. . .
Huh? Magnetising the hinges is easy. They have cast-in 4×1 mm holes. Get the right size magnets and they just slot in. You might have to file the centre “ring” wrist part thinner if your magnets are slightly too thick as mine were.
Mr_Rose wrote: Huh? Magnetising the hinges is easy. They have cast-in 4×1 mm holes. Get the right size magnets and they just slot in. You might have to file the centre “ring” wrist part thinner if your magnets are slightly too thick as mine were.
yeah looking at it they DESIGNED the contemptor with magnets in mind
Mr_Rose wrote: Huh? Magnetising the hinges is easy. They have cast-in 4×1 mm holes. Get the right size magnets and they just slot in. You might have to file the centre “ring” wrist part thinner if your magnets are slightly too thick as mine were.
yeah looking at it they DESIGNED the contemptor with magnets in mind
Praise be! I cannot wait to set up that side of my Legion.
I'm hoping that the new dreadnought options are compatible with the old plastic model, as I haven't decided what weapons to give it. If not, I hope that the resin options on GW don't go away immediately.
Snrub wrote:Those are absolutely smashing looking! They'd look fantastic enmasse on the table top.
BrianDavion wrote:you say that so casually, but you paint those so beautifully
H.B.M.C. wrote:Pfft! Those aren't real Mk.VI pads...
Nah but for real, those look ace.
Thank you ^^. Don't know about "en masse" though. That would look a bit out of place for IWs.... and I already have a whole lotta them.
And yeah, I know they ain't real, but you know, I just had to throw a hissy fit over the official shoulder pads and all...
I think Mark II/III pads look great, and you did use studded ones as well. It's the heresy, non-standard is the norm! And if any legion would think Mark 6 needs some tweaks, it would be them...
(Pro-tip if you print more - a quick go over with a fine sanding stick can remove any residual layer lines, they often seem to show up in curved surfaces near the top of the print, or near vertical flat surfaces - you can tilt under a bright light to help catch em. I do always seem to miss a few that show up after priming! There's only a couple though, and I think i'm probably more primed to spot em than most.)
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ArcaneHorror wrote: I'm hoping that the new dreadnought options are compatible with the old plastic model, as I haven't decided what weapons to give it. If not, I hope that the resin options on GW don't go away immediately.
The betrayal at calth monopose contemptor? The arms on that are single piece alas, you'll need some significant cutting and I think magnetising compatible with new kit is going to be near impossible due to the lack of separate elbow joint (unless you take the arms wholesale from the new plastic kit). If you mean the AoD box contemptor, yes, it's just an additional sprue on top of that one so fully compatible - you'll have 3 fists, 2 of the AoD guns and 1 of each new gun and enough elbows for both, so you'll be able to fully kit out, though obviously can't double up on any of the new guns.
For the resin contemptors, it does look like you can fit the bits from the new plastic, but given they don't come with elbows (or the shoulder swivel) you're not going to have enough bits to kit out both the resin and the new plastic kit you're scavaging guns from. Dropping the resin weapon arms while keeping the bodies was a weird choice without at least moving the elbow bits to come with the body.
arkhanist wrote: (Pro-tip if you print more - a quick go over with a fine sanding stick can remove any residual layer lines, they often seem to show up in curved surfaces near the top of the print, or near vertical flat surfaces - you can tilt under a bright light to help catch em. I do always seem to miss a few that show up after priming! There's only a couple though, and I think i'm probably more primed to spot em than most.)
Oh, I know. These were a fast testbed print at 50 microns (printed in a hair more than an hour).
Were I to do more, I'd just print them at 25 microns, which IME almost never really need anything else, with the current settings and resin I'm using right now. Those tend to go far smoother even on curved surfaces ^^
Spoiler:
You can sort of notice some layer lines on the shoulder pads at that macro level and from that up close, but on hand they are absolutely invisible. (those are 15mm, btw)
Sorry to clutter up the thread, but I finished my first 6 Alpha Legion:
Spoiler:
I love them. Very sleek!
I love how you did the bases, and that would work very well for mine. Any pointers? (feel free to PM me to avoid further clutter if you prefer, or we caan port it to the 30k subforum)
EDIT: Huh, I only see five... is the sixth Alpharion (see, because they're two, Alpharius/Omegon ), up to their usual shenanigans?
Doesn't really seem practical. Legs are almost always the limiting factor on GW models (particularly for marines, there are usually spare torso bits for sergeants and on vehicle sprues).
So replacing legs to shore up proportions on one means leaving short legs for another model.
Mines been delayed for a week, possibly for 5he best as it gives me more time to mess around with paint ideas. That poor tactical squad I got a decade ago with Dark Imperium is taking a bit of a beating, stripped and repainted 3 times already.
There are no rumours of any non-vehicle models at all. All we have are inferences from sprue markings and layouts that more vehicles on the Rhino and Land Raider chassis are likely planned.
RazorEdge wrote: There actual no rumors about MkII, even unreliable ones.
Shame, one of my favourites Marks of PA.
I'm a little surprised they're showing off yet more kits. I keep expecting them to wind down for a bit and let it settle, and then do periodic releases.
But now we've got the two dreads in addition to the rest of the heavy weapon packs and the sicaran.
At some point I fully expect them to do assault marines, assorted rhino-based tanks (the basic rhino is too cheap for them not to be going full steam ahead on expanded kits), and I really want plastic Mk 5s (in the same scale and fully compatible with all the things so far). Other equipment packs, too, for breachers, destroyers, etc
Bob Lorgar wrote: I will never understand why people like the contemptor design. And the deredeo looks even worse.
It looks like the gave Mr. Greedy guns. Who's next, Mr. Tickle? Absolutely stupid.
I mean, the other default one is an angry washing machine with no knees, so... at least the Contemptor looks like it can actually walk?
But angry washing machines have knees?
Anyway, I'm looking forward to three pages of unsophisticated people with bad taste telling us why chad Contemptors are best. With a bit of escalation and controversy thrown in at the end we might even draw it out to five pages. This is exactly what this thread needs.
With the launch of a fully plastic Contemptor and the upcoming plastic Leviathan, does anyone think we'll see the lovely legion specific ones disappearing from Forgeworld in the near future?
Nah even then it'd be way too much extra stuff to be just an upgrade kit if they were to retain even a similarity of the current design. They all have specially moulded chests, heads, leg plates, and shoulder plates. Heck, the Iron Hands one has its own special exhausts. The only shared pieces between all the Legion Contemptors are the upper legs and feet.
Stupid question but do we have an idea of when exactly the new releases will be up on the GW website ? It's past midnight so technically we are Saturday but I can't see them
godardc wrote: Stupid question but do we have an idea of when exactly the new releases will be up on the GW website ? It's past midnight so technically we are Saturday but I can't see them
I'm assembling a Spartan at the moment, it's quite enjoyable despite the sheer amount of parts that need to be glued together.
I've encountered a problem, however, when using the Forge World Word Bearers Land Raider door upgrades that I've had lying around for years. The side doors fit perfectly, but the front door does not. I've managed to trim off some of the resin and plastic so that it fits and doesn't look *too* bad.
Something to think about if you are planning on hunting down any of the old FW Land Raider door kits.
Heads up. Aparently Warhammer stores aren't carrying any of the HH product except the Books and the Box Set. I went to my closest store to try and find some weapon kits and rhinos and was told that they don't stock them. Irnoically there were about half a dozen people in the store asking for the same thing, and another four or five people were sitting at tables building the big box set models...Seems rather asinine given they have a full stock of AI planes. Which look cool, but I've not seen any of them ever sell, and the ones on his shelf today where the exact same boxes that were there in December...
Togusa wrote: Heads up. Aparently Warhammer stores aren't carrying any of the HH product except the Books and the Box Set. I went to my closest store to try and find some weapon kits and rhinos and was told that they don't stock them. Irnoically there were about half a dozen people in the store asking for the same thing, and another four or five people were sitting at tables building the big box set models...Seems rather asinine given they have a full stock of AI planes. Which look cool, but I've not seen any of them ever sell, and the ones on his shelf today where the exact same boxes that were there in December...
To be fair, the special weapons went out of stock completely (though they're back) and the Deimos is just straight up sold out for the time being.
It may not be that they won't, just that they currently can't.
Togusa wrote: Heads up. Aparently Warhammer stores aren't carrying any of the HH product except the Books and the Box Set. I went to my closest store to try and find some weapon kits and rhinos and was told that they don't stock them. Irnoically there were about half a dozen people in the store asking for the same thing, and another four or five people were sitting at tables building the big box set models...Seems rather asinine given they have a full stock of AI planes. Which look cool, but I've not seen any of them ever sell, and the ones on his shelf today where the exact same boxes that were there in December...
To be fair, the special weapons went out of stock completely (though they're back) and the Deimos is just straight up sold out for the time being.
It may not be that they won't, just that they currently can't.
No, the GW mangers exact words were "Stores do not carry anything except the Box and the Books. The rest of the Horus Heresy line is available on Webstore only."
Voss wrote: Ah, well. GW stores are pretty useless anyway.
What's one more way to be bad?
It depends. I don't find them to be completely useless. A lot of times they have a better inventory than my LGS, especially when it comes to paint, supplies, and most kits.
I just found it odd that they're not carrying a very popular product as standard stock, especially when almost everyone in the store today was there looking for Heresy stuff.
Voss wrote: Ah, well. GW stores are pretty useless anyway.
What's one more way to be bad?
It depends. I don't find them to be completely useless. A lot of times they have a better inventory than my LGS, especially when it comes to paint, supplies, and most kits.
I just found it odd that they're not carrying a very popular product as standard stock, especially when almost everyone in the store today was there looking for Heresy stuff.
I wouldn't take notice of what the shop keepers say until a couple more weeks, in my experience they are the least reliable source of information. Only the decal sheets and dice are direct only, but what an actual physical GW store decides to keep in stock is likely going to vary. My FLGS had all the items in stock, I didn't bother checking what the GW store themselves had in stock.
Voss wrote: Ah, well. GW stores are pretty useless anyway.
What's one more way to be bad?
It depends. I don't find them to be completely useless. A lot of times they have a better inventory than my LGS, especially when it comes to paint, supplies, and most kits.
I just found it odd that they're not carrying a very popular product as standard stock, especially when almost everyone in the store today was there looking for Heresy stuff.
I wouldn't take notice of what the shop keepers say until a couple more weeks, in my experience they are the least reliable source of information. Only the decal sheets and dice are direct only, but what an actual physical GW store decides to keep in stock is likely going to vary. My FLGS had all the items in stock, I didn't bother checking what the GW store themselves had in stock.
It's not the worst thing in the world, just that I'm having trouble getting anything in stock in my area. All the stores are saying the same thing, shipping delays galore. I was just expecting more from the actual company store I guess.
Voss wrote: Ah, well. GW stores are pretty useless anyway.
What's one more way to be bad?
It depends. I don't find them to be completely useless. A lot of times they have a better inventory than my LGS, especially when it comes to paint, supplies, and most kits.
I just found it odd that they're not carrying a very popular product as standard stock, especially when almost everyone in the store today was there looking for Heresy stuff.
I wouldn't take notice of what the shop keepers say until a couple more weeks, in my experience they are the least reliable source of information. Only the decal sheets and dice are direct only, but what an actual physical GW store decides to keep in stock is likely going to vary. My FLGS had all the items in stock, I didn't bother checking what the GW store themselves had in stock.
It's not the worst thing in the world, just that I'm having trouble getting anything in stock in my area. All the stores are saying the same thing, shipping delays galore. I was just expecting more from the actual company store I guess.
Maybe they sent all your stock to Australia, because for once it’s really easy to find stock out here Both the boxed set and all the other bits and bobs seem pretty well stocked in LGSes over here, and also online stores. Only the decal sheets and dice are hard to find.
Togusa wrote: Heads up. Aparently Warhammer stores aren't carrying any of the HH product except the Books and the Box Set. I went to my closest store to try and find some weapon kits and rhinos and was told that they don't stock them. Irnoically there were about half a dozen people in the store asking for the same thing, and another four or five people were sitting at tables building the big box set models...Seems rather asinine given they have a full stock of AI planes. Which look cool, but I've not seen any of them ever sell, and the ones on his shelf today where the exact same boxes that were there in December...
To be fair, the special weapons went out of stock completely (though they're back) and the Deimos is just straight up sold out for the time being.
It may not be that they won't, just that they currently can't.
No, the GW mangers exact words were "Stores do not carry anything except the Box and the Books. The rest of the Horus Heresy line is available on Webstore only."
Ok, Warhammer Digital now lists the AoD epub preorder. Price is 39€.
Preordered. I'll just need to sell my physical rulebook, which is luckily still shrinkwrapped inside the AoD box, reckon I can sell the physical book for about the same price as what the epub costed.
Quite tempted to get the MKVI Tactical set( 20 marines ) and Ahriman, and run them as a tactical combat patrol in 40K; Librarian, 10-man squad, 2x 5-man squads...
SamusDrake wrote: Quite tempted to get the MKVI Tactical set( 20 marines ) and Ahriman, and run them as a tactical combat patrol in 40K; Librarian, 10-man squad, 2x 5-man squads...
keep in mind that those are bare bones tacticals, no specal or heavy weapons
don't get me wrong they're beautiful minis for what they are, but they're not ideal for a 40ktac squad. honestly the kit from an assmbly POV feels more like intercessors then tradtional tacs
Togusa wrote: Heads up. Aparently Warhammer stores aren't carrying any of the HH product except the Books and the Box Set. I went to my closest store to try and find some weapon kits and rhinos and was told that they don't stock them. Irnoically there were about half a dozen people in the store asking for the same thing, and another four or five people were sitting at tables building the big box set models...Seems rather asinine given they have a full stock of AI planes. Which look cool, but I've not seen any of them ever sell, and the ones on his shelf today where the exact same boxes that were there in December...
My local Warhammer Store has the AoD Box, Books and the all the other Stuff.
lord_blackfang wrote: From what I've read on Dakka over the years I feel like GW sales people are pretty notorious for straight up lying to cover their failings.
don't get me wrong they're beautiful minis for what they are, but they're not ideal for a 40ktac squad. honestly the kit from an assmbly POV feels more like intercessors then tradtional tacs
I was going to praise their bayonets but even the Emperor's finest seems to be having trouble...
tauist wrote: Ok, Warhammer Digital now lists the AoD epub preorder. Price is 39€.
Preordered. I'll just need to sell my physical rulebook, which is luckily still shrinkwrapped inside the AoD box, reckon I can sell the physical book for about the same price as what the epub costed.
Now we just need the Liber armybooks as epubs!
ebook is great for sure, but I really want a softback mini-rulebook. The main book (and the legion lists) are shelfbreakers, and the main book was organized by a madman. Front of the book or back. Pick one, but don't smear the rules across the middle.
don't get me wrong they're beautiful minis for what they are, but they're not ideal for a 40ktac squad. honestly the kit from an assmbly POV feels more like intercessors then tradtional tacs
Meh. A couple special and heavy weapons aren't hard to get, even without the HH weapon packs. Even HH style ones (for the basics, at least) aren't hard thanks to how long the Calth and Prospero boxes were around.
tauist wrote: Ok, Warhammer Digital now lists the AoD epub preorder. Price is 39€.
Preordered. I'll just need to sell my physical rulebook, which is luckily still shrinkwrapped inside the AoD box, reckon I can sell the physical book for about the same price as what the epub costed.
Now we just need the Liber armybooks as epubs!
ebook is great for sure, but I really want a softback mini-rulebook. The main book (and the legion lists) are shelfbreakers, and the main book was organized by a madman. Front of the book or back. Pick one, but don't smear the rules across the middle.
don't get me wrong they're beautiful minis for what they are, but they're not ideal for a 40ktac squad. honestly the kit from an assmbly POV feels more like intercessors then tradtional tacs
Meh. A couple special and heavy weapons aren't hard to get, even without the HH weapon packs. Even HH style ones (for the basics, at least) aren't hard thanks to how long the Calth and Prospero boxes were around.
I am building a 1st/2nd edition army out of my marines and picked up a couple of heavy weapons and special weapons on bits sites very easily.
Thinking about the Cerberus, Typhon, and various Sicaran turrets, will FW make resin conversion kits for the plastic hulls, or will they go straight to plastic? They had the Arkurian pattern upgrade kits for the shadowsword and a couple other variants after the plastic baneblade came out but before the plastic shadowsword sprues were introduced.
Yeah, the characters in the box are as big as Primaris characters. A really weird thing to do since the plastic characters for previous Horus Heresy boxes are reasonable size.
Painted up the sword praetor, and realized it was pretty much unusable next to the rest of the range. Had to finally cut up and convert the plastic priest from Betrayal at Calth box instead.
I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?
Albertorius wrote: Been checking a bit more, and the beakies in the wider stances fit without issues with other marines:
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The characters, though? The characters are stupid. It's like the're walking around with the kids.
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I have a specialist squad made up of vintage 40k minis glued on 25 mm. Will glue them on 32 mm with their smaller base once I got hold of enough larger bases to avoid this.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?
I see this argument get brought up a lot, but the problem is that it's only the different armour marks that are a different size. They didn't look at Terry taking an XXL and give him MKII or Jerry got MKIV because he's only a L. Or that being a Centurion/Praetor required you to be above 8ft.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?
I see this argument get brought up a lot, but the problem is that it's only the different armour marks that are a different size. They didn't look at Terry taking an XXL and give him MKII or Jerry got MKIV because he's only a L. Or that being a Centurion/Praetor required you to be above 8ft.
Could be the praetors rose through the ranks in crusades against the greenskins. So much fighting against the orks left them stronger and bigger. When you fight monsters, you become them…
I am glad that the Mk6s still feel in-scale with the Cataphractii. The Tartaros got some flak back in the day for being kind of small, so I'm guessing that's why they weren't chosen for this box even though their sleek aesthetic would have fit better with the Corvus armor.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?
I see this argument get brought up a lot, but the problem is that it's only the different armour marks that are a different size. They didn't look at Terry taking an XXL and give him MKII or Jerry got MKIV because he's only a L. Or that being a Centurion/Praetor required you to be above 8ft.
"You must be at least this tall to be promoted to Praetor..."
They have the helmet and backpack, but the extra bull definitely doesn’t feel right. And I’ve seen a lot of people mistake the axe praetor as a terminator, despite the backpack
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?
You expect different heights from real people, even a head or two taller. Getting that on the tabletop is not a general problem either in my opinion, but it's something plastic kits don't account for very well. You can have a number of individual sculpts that realistically differ in height quite easily, but people have a (well founded) expectation of interchangeable parts from a multipart plastic infantry kit to avoid clone armies, so there is an overriding need for standardized size. Characters are the easiest way to break out of this, but as can be seen here it's not desirable because you've already rationalized why all your other Marines are about the same size. Having a lone, prominent or very small selection of models deviate from that standard for no good reason invites questions more than approval.
Compared to a box like the old metal Last Chancers where you're specifically dealing with individuals than can and should look different from each other in all sorts of ways, uniformed soldiers in plastic just aren't a good place to represent varied body sizes. Especially armored ones where the organic components in all their variety aren't prominent or even there at all and the focus is on industrially manufactured equipment that is generally expected to be produced to a standard.
I don't know what the designers were thinking here, but it's a pretty bad choice in my opinion. If these Praetors were specific Black Library characters noted for their size, sure, why not? But as generic leaders? Nope.
The two praetors are featured on the cover of Cthonia's Reckoning; perhaps the original intention was for the models to be based on named characters from a story (and the launch box be based on a specific battle/event)?
Ya no issues with size people come in big and small and space marines start as people, so there size should be all over the place. What I do have an issue with is weird proportions. Wich the smaller marines have.
I assume the praetors happened to get extra-pure geneseed, making them closer to the primarch and inherited more of his traits. Which made them taller and stronger and probably smarter, which is why they ended up getting promoted in the first place.
arkhanist wrote: I assume the praetors happened to get extra-pure geneseed, making them closer to the primarch and inherited more of his traits. Which made them taller and stronger and probably smarter, which is why they ended up getting promoted in the first place.
Perhaps they have three new experimental implants which will become more widespread ten thousand years later!
If your tastes run more to the Legiones Astartes, these custom accessories will add a bit of bling to your Iron Warriors and Dark Angels.
These resin bits add some Legion flavour to older armour marks – perfect for showing honours, or converting entire squads for a more uniform appearance. They’ll be available to order for just one week starting on Saturday./quote]
GW seems to be moving towards a "HQs as centerpieces" philophesy, with HQs on average getting a bit bigger and occupying a 40mm base instead of 32mm. we saw this with dark Imperium and indomatus, and it looks like HH is moving the same way
BrianDavion wrote: GW seems to be moving towards a "HQs as centerpieces" philophesy, with HQs on average getting a bit bigger and occupying a 40mm base instead of 32mm. we saw this with dark Imperium and indomatus, and it looks like HH is moving the same way
Next step is $150 centerpiece models like AoS.
So, plastic versions of each Primarch 50% bigger than the current ones.
zedmeister wrote: Wow, next week Mk.II iron warrior torsos are getting a made to order release
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Huh. Those don't really scream IWs at all. At least to me.
Me either. Very strange choice.
Me three - what's with the bizzare cross/star thing?
TalonZahn wrote:
BrianDavion wrote: GW seems to be moving towards a "HQs as centerpieces" philophesy, with HQs on average getting a bit bigger and occupying a 40mm base instead of 32mm. we saw this with dark Imperium and indomatus, and it looks like HH is moving the same way
Next step is $150 centerpiece models like AoS.
So, plastic versions of each Primarch 50% bigger than the current ones.
So Perturabo gets a full dead knight on his base instead of only the cockpit of one? Hah.
zedmeister wrote: Wow, next week Mk.II iron warrior torsos are getting a made to order release
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Huh. Those don't really scream IWs at all. At least to me.
Me either. Very strange choice.
Me three - what's with the bizzare cross/star thing?
TalonZahn wrote:
BrianDavion wrote: GW seems to be moving towards a "HQs as centerpieces" philophesy, with HQs on average getting a bit bigger and occupying a 40mm base instead of 32mm. we saw this with dark Imperium and indomatus, and it looks like HH is moving the same way
Next step is $150 centerpiece models like AoS.
So, plastic versions of each Primarch 50% bigger than the current ones.
So Perturabo gets a full dead knight on his base instead of only the cockpit of one? Hah.
An entire dead knight, he's posed pulling the pilot out of him and there's around four or five other Iron Warriors doing random crap around him
Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.
Voss wrote: Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.
Mostly the plastic MK III and IV and all the resin marks, seeing as they're full torsos, but of course they'll be completely compatible with any regular space marine unit of the "old era" multiparts.
joking
) are still waiting on the mail for theirs, so the maximum supply level hasn't been reached yet.
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