noticed my LGS in Helsinki got stock of the LI ruins as well. Apparently its a new SKU? Seeing as they now list two SKUs for it, with the earlier one labeled as "sold out"
leopard wrote: the set I had was all black bases, however the book noted it was 8 stands for a tactical unit (four tactical & four support) then four for each of devastator and assault (later became six stand units).
the first run had different colour bases, I think it was pretty much eight in each of four colours for each army
sweet, so I'd need 4 stands of TACs, 4 stands of Support, 4 Assault, 4 Dev?
If that's correct, I should be good just by adding one more Astartes infantry kit to the pile..
I was skimming through a 1st edition rulebook last night, excited to jump back in! I'm a sucker for old rulesets with modern minis
1st is actually a decent game, takes a while to play with the detail but its good as you don't need massive forces for a good game
if you can find it "Codex: Titanicus" is worth grabbing as it brings in the orks, Eldar and IIRC Imperial Guard as well as titans
harder to get hold of are all the 1st edition army builders as they were only ever in white dwarf before 2nd came along and changed it all
I've seen Codex Titanicus around, and in fact even found my partial copy of it while rummaging through my old stuff! A shame its incomplete.. thats what you get for GW making a book with puch out holes, and you never putting it in a binder :p
And no fear regarding those old White Dwarfs.. I have access to almost all of the first 300 issues They're kind of a must-have for oldhammerists..
oh perfect, pity no one has collated and archived the Space Marine army list stuff as it seriously expanded on what was before it. nicely laid out force organisations too, which were different for the different factions which was very nice
Coming back to the Civitas ruins thing. Just received my box, it has 2 x large ruined building wall sprues and 2x ruined flooring & gubbins sprues, divided by a cardboard wall "poster".
The box has both LI & AT logos on the backside. The box was not shrinkwrapped, but closed with two round black Warhammer stickers instead. It also has a small "DESIGNED IN THE UK - MADE IN CHINA" sticker on it..
So is this a new SKU, not sure.. but these are made in China like the larger GW terrain kits. Probably because they are larger sprues than what GW typically use themselves?
Now, I'm just waiting for my 4 sets of Civitas city tiles to ship.. Have spent close to 500€ on Epic terrain and havent even assembled a single Titan yet By this rate, I'll be playing AT18 & 1st Edition Space Marine this autumn at the earliest.. For all I know, KT24 will be out by then LOL
Picking up two of those ruins set on 6, and today I ordered the big terrain box from Goblin Gaming. Plus, I’ve some random left over buildings from an abortive AT collection lurking in the Magic Box O’Stuff.
I wish the Industrial silos and gubbins AT kit would be rereleased ASAP. A cityscape board feels too bland and samey without one
I am very tempted to build my cityscapes as "partially abandoned".. remember how the Killzone Fronteris set used a Imperial Sector board which had been partially submerged in sand? Something along those lines.. I dont really like how the board looks as is, it feels too clean for a killzone
tauist wrote: I wish the Industrial silos and gubbins AT kit would be rereleased ASAP. A cityscape board feels too bland and samey without one
I am very tempted to build my cityscapes as "partially abandoned".. remember how the Killzone Fronteris set used a Imperial Sector board which had been partially submerged in sand? Something along those lines.. I dont really like how the board looks as is, it feels too clean for a killzone
same here actually, I could print such bits but a decent kit can be a lot faster to put together and all thus industrial bits can be used in multiple games
And speaking of the rules, my mind is first set on collecting a core force, and then playing with them using any edition I happen to fancy. For someone like me, the biggest appeal in LI are the models themselves.
Totally agree, mine are golden as Braganza Besiegers. These small miniatures are lovely:
tauist wrote: I wish the Industrial silos and gubbins AT kit would be rereleased ASAP. A cityscape board feels too bland and samey without one
I saw this posted on Discord earlier in the week, that terrain may be returning as online only. Keep an eye on the GW site this weekend.
I hope you're right and these will be coming back. If rebranded under LI however, I am certain their price will increase from what it was when they were still AT18 branded..
tauist wrote: If rebranded under LI however, I am certain their price will increase from what it was when they were still AT18 branded..
In the UK at least I don't think any of the reboxed knight or titan kits changed prices compared to AT so far. IIRC the manufactorum terrain set was £30 last time it was available.
gorgon wrote: How many sprues are in that ruins box?
I was all over it before the launch, and then saw the price ($75 US) and just couldn't justify it.
2 sprues of walls, 2 sprues of flooring and gubbins, so 4 sprues total. The sprues are of the larger variety (about twice the size of regular GW sprues)
gorgon wrote: How many sprues are in that ruins box?
I was all over it before the launch, and then saw the price ($75 US) and just couldn't justify it.
2 sprues of walls, 2 sprues of flooring and gubbins, so 4 sprues total. The sprues are of the larger variety (about twice the size of regular GW sprues)
Thanks. Will have to give it some thought. I have plenty of Civitas buildings but adding a couple ruins into the mix would be nice.
I'm guessing the preorder is just showing 1 model copy-pasted to create a flight whilst the preview image shows 2 variants of the build - one with a side item (little rocket pod?) and a top gun on the front.
If this is about the gun on top and the missiles? on the sides, the bits are on the sprue, they just didn't show them in this image for some reason.
There are four Arvus per sprue and enough of those bits for two of them.
tauist wrote: If rebranded under LI however, I am certain their price will increase from what it was when they were still AT18 branded..
In the UK at least I don't think any of the reboxed knight or titan kits changed prices compared to AT so far. IIRC the manufactorum terrain set was £30 last time it was available.
Titans have stayed as they were, but the manufactorum set contained 2 large sprues and two medium sprues, which was pretty generous at the time but even more so now, given two medium sprues is all you get for 30 quid with the other LI releases. I think it'd be a surprise if it stayed at the same price. Particularly given the discussion we've just had about the drop pod pricing...
Though if it does stay at £30 I'll definitely be buying a few lol
Titans have stayed as they were, but the manufactorum set contained 2 large sprues and two medium sprues, which was pretty generous at the time but even more so now, given two medium sprues is all you get for 30 quid with the other LI releases. I think it'd be a surprise if it stayed at the same price. Particularly given the discussion we've just had about the drop pod pricing...
Though if it does stay at £30 I'll definitely be buying a few lol
Yeah based on NZ pricing it looks like the Manufactorum box will be ~£35 now, but it is available to buy.
Despite no mention on delays in the Sunday article, none of the LI preorders show on the Australian GW site and only three show items for NZ (Arvus, Land Raider, Manufactorum). No more sprue pics until morning then.
Australia/NZ didn't get those today and while Japan has them, the sprue pics are still missing. So the only sprues we currently have are the Arvus,
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the Proteus
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and the Dire Wolves
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Somebody probably incorrectly flagged the Drop pods and the Artillery which also doesn't have sprue pics as resin models because they also have the 15+ icon resin models normally have and thats the reason nobody added sprue pics as resin models don't have any.
Also for rereleased kits its both Warhound versions, the Warbringer, only the plasma Warmaster version and the Manufactorum terrain. Interestingly the Warbringer has a mistake in its description where it says:
The set includes:
- 1x Warmaster Iconoclast Heavy Battle Titan
- 1x Reaver laser blaster
- 1x Reaver volcano cannon
- 1x Mori quake cannon
- 1x Legions Imperialis 105mm Oval Base
- 1x Adeptus Titanicus Warbringer Nemesis Titan Transfer Sheet
- 1x Adeptus Titanicus Warmaster Titan Command Terminal
- 3x Warbringer Nemesis Titan Weapon Cards
Only the first item on the list is for the Iconoclast, the rest fits the Warbringer but still might be a sign it won't take too long for the other Warmaster version?
If the Japanese GW store prices are any indication, the Manufactorum rerelease bumped the price to 50€ or 55€
Suspected as much.
The most annoying part of this preorder is that my goto discounter has a site maintenance going on and wont be online until monday morning (and even that is if nothing goes wrong with the migration!), so I am most likely going to strike out of these items if I wait for the discounted items to become available. This means less sales for GW, as I will only buy one kit from them direct instead of buying several from a discounter. Oh well..
Only silver lining here is that none of the items releasing today I'm interested in have "Online only" label on them.. which means they will eventually be at my FLGS's as well
If this is about the gun on top and the missiles? on the sides, the bits are on the sprue, they just didn't show them in this image for some reason.
There are four Arvus per sprue and enough of those bits for two of them.
Thanks, I feared there was an additional small sprue like that one in the upgraded Knight Questoris box, now missing waiting for the next book xD
55€ for the Manufactorum confirmed. Got my Land Raiders, will grab the rest later.
Strangely enough, at least on my end the preorders did not display in the New & Exclusive section, I had to go to the LI section before the products were shown
Seems like the Manufactorum is a GW exclusive after all even if doesn't say "Online only" as none of my normal shops nor the most known UK shops seem to have it
Manufactorum did in fact get an "Online only" designation at the GW store, it just took them a while to put it up. Damn.
And for all yall who pissed and moaned about the drop pod prices, the pods are the only kit thats sold out by now.. So I guess GW knows what they are doing. Clearly there are people out there who are willing to drop stupid coin for a Drop Pod Assault formation after all.
Which is a pity, those pods will be highly sought after also from discounters..
tauist wrote: Manufactorum did in fact get an "Online only" designation at the GW store, it just took them a while to put it up. Damn.
And for all yall who pissed and moaned about the drop pod prices, the pods are the only kit thats sold out by now.. So I guess GW knows what they are doing. Clearly there are people out there who are willing to drop stupid coin for a Drop Pod Assault formation after all.
Which is a pity, those pods will be highly sought after also from discounters..
Or... they didn't release as many of them
It's really hard to know, especially since GW have been having stock issues, sometimes things are wildly popular and other times they just don't get many out there. We can sometimes get a bit of a hint from how many the large stockists get (e.g. on the original LI launch, the some of the tank kits seemed to almost no stock out here, and it wasn't until a few weeks later a 2nd wave of stock came in).
The drop pods didn't even drop (heh...) in Australia, so it wouldn't surprise me if they released in other regions with less than planned stock.
I don't think they'll be wildly popular, but I guess I also wouldn't be surprised if they are, GW customers are weird. Hell, I'm going to buy some Arvus even though I totally don't even plan to use them in LI
Interesting that the drop pods are the only kit for which they didn't bother to release sprue pics.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: It's really hard to know, especially since GW have been having stock issues, sometimes things are wildly popular and other times they just don't get many out there. We can sometimes get a bit of a hint from how many the large stockists get (e.g. on the original LI launch, the some of the tank kits seemed to almost no stock out here, and it wasn't until a few weeks later a 2nd wave of stock came in).
The drop pods didn't even drop (heh...) in Australia, so it wouldn't surprise me if they released in other regions with less than planned stock.
I don't think they'll be wildly popular, but I guess I also wouldn't be surprised if they are, GW customers are weird. Hell, I'm going to buy some Arvus even though I totally don't even plan to use them in LI
Interesting that the drop pods are the only kit for which they didn't bother to release sprue pics.
The basilisk kit is missing sprue pics too, and I oddly haven't yet seen any LI kit reviews from the usual places who post them.
On UK third-party sites there's varying degrees of kits selling out, with mostly just Arvus lighters consistently available at a discount. However if most of today's things are still in stock on the official site then retailers should hopefully get more allocated. I didn't bother ordering anything today but will drop by a local store to get some Basilisks if I can.
I had to put in two separate orders because GW's system would only let me order one box each of the Proteus and Arvus kits. As of now, both are still up and available so I'm not sure what's happening. Fortunately the US didn't have missing stuff like NZ.
I am still waiting for Wayland to bring the Marine Support box back into stock, was late pre-ordering that one and have been punished for it. Hopefully there are some more about as the likes of Firestorm have 30+ of the things.
Although I note that the Astartes infantry boxes are already running low in some stores, so I would get those if you think you might need one (thinking back to how long they were out of stock before..)
Pacific wrote: I am still waiting for Wayland to bring the Marine Support box back into stock, was late pre-ordering that one and have been punished for it. Hopefully there are some more about as the likes of Firestorm have 30+ of the things.
Although I note that the Astartes infantry boxes are already running low in some stores, so I would get those if you think you might need one (thinking back to how long they were out of stock before..)
I had preordered the support box from Wayland at 10:16 and was told my preorder wasn’t fulfilled. I cancelled the preorder after waiting a few weeks.
Pacific wrote: I am still waiting for Wayland to bring the Marine Support box back into stock, was late pre-ordering that one and have been punished for it. Hopefully there are some more about as the likes of Firestorm have 30+ of the things.
So why haven't you canceled the Wayland order & just re-orderd from Firestorm?
Pacific wrote: I am still waiting for Wayland to bring the Marine Support box back into stock, was late pre-ordering that one and have been punished for it. Hopefully there are some more about as the likes of Firestorm have 30+ of the things.
So why haven't you canceled the Wayland order & just re-orderd from Firestorm?
That's exactly what I did , I even managed to score some of them on ebay for an below retail price.
Pacific wrote: I am still waiting for Wayland to bring the Marine Support box back into stock, was late pre-ordering that one and have been punished for it. Hopefully there are some more about as the likes of Firestorm have 30+ of the things.
So why haven't you canceled the Wayland order & just re-orderd from Firestorm?
There were some other bits on the order that I could only find at Wayland and then didn't hit the free shipping level. Also I am lazy.
Pacific wrote: I am still waiting for Wayland to bring the Marine Support box back into stock, was late pre-ordering that one and have been punished for it. Hopefully there are some more about as the likes of Firestorm have 30+ of the things.
So why haven't you canceled the Wayland order & just re-orderd from Firestorm?
There were some other bits on the order that I could only find at Wayland and then didn't hit the free shipping level. Also I am lazy.
I swear, free shipping has saved me more money than anything else by virtue of items not reaching the free shipping threshold and me ending up never buying it
So with this latest release and the fact that I have STILL not gotten some stuff I ordered at the initial release (via FLGS here in Ohio) I have re-evaluated my LI plans. I gave up on the game entirely for a few weeks ( not that it mattered as nothing came in). Now I have gotten back to just buying some stuff I want rather than 1 of everything.
Hopefully I will some day get all these:
Kratos
Basalisks x2
Both support boxes
A box of Dire Wolves
And as a treat, I finally ordered a Warbringer.
Anyone want to take bets if I even get all this before 2025. :(
xttz wrote: Something I've spotted while reading the rulebook is the repeated use of product box art. These images have a very specific style; landscape pictures in a similar colour palette showing two or more of a specific unit, with any other unit types obscured or otherwise out of focus
...
More interestingly we also have these guys:
I still have fond memories of the old metal termites for Epic. If I buy these, I will be compelled to make a homage of one of those from at leat one of these. They were partially submerged, with only the drilly front bit poking from the ground.
Also, looking forward to seeing this one in 28mil in the near future
Wonder if they’ll have rules for driving through Buildings?
If memory serves, the old Hellbore (the honking great version, which could carry a Company of Imperial Guard) could surface under a building with relative safety, bringing it down around it?
Even if it’s a suicide move for the Termites, might make them appealing to some.
leopard wrote: they look nice, rules to be in yet another book that will presumably be impossible to get hold of
At the rate they’re going we’ll have four books in a year. That was a big part of me abandoning LI, not into chasing books, at least not when they’re hard to find expensive hardbacks. The other big part was I still don’t like the overly complex rules.
leopard wrote: they look nice, rules to be in yet another book that will presumably be impossible to get hold of
At the rate they’re going we’ll have four books in a year. That was a big part of me abandoning LI, not into chasing books, at least not when they’re hard to find expensive hardbacks. The other big part was I still don’t like the overly complex rules.
not to bothered with the rules being too complex, 100% agree on book chasing though. its a small scale game, it needs a rulebook thats portable, the idea it needs more than two books is borderline none-starter. Especially when its not like HH where yes there are a few but you don't overly need to lug too many about to actually play it.
those books are not lightweight and not keen on lugging them about.
GW seriously need to go to a ring binder concept for all this
Malika2 wrote: Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?
don't have one, don't really have an interest in getting one, and find it somewhat frustrating playing against people who have things that seem to take far longer to flip through than a book, assuming the battery hasn't gone flat.
just think a hole punched book where you can quite easily leave the fluff bits or unrelated bits at home and just bring the bits for the army you have is useful
leopard wrote: they look nice, rules to be in yet another book that will presumably be impossible to get hold of
At the rate they’re going we’ll have four books in a year. That was a big part of me abandoning LI, not into chasing books, at least not when they’re hard to find expensive hardbacks. The other big part was I still don’t like the overly complex rules.
not to bothered with the rules being too complex, 100% agree on book chasing though. its a small scale game, it needs a rulebook thats portable, the idea it needs more than two books is borderline none-starter. Especially when its not like HH where yes there are a few but you don't overly need to lug too many about to actually play it.
those books are not lightweight and not keen on lugging them about.
GW seriously need to go to a ring binder concept for all this
Am I really the only one that does not care about books and prints just the datasheet of the units I am interested in? (i.e. Malcador Infernus, Dracosan)
Hopefully by the time the next book is out, we’ll have all the other revealed kits which currently have rules on sale. Or at least released and pending a restock.
For Marines? That’s non-Thunderhawk Flyers, Fast Attack box, Dreadnought Drop Pods, Predators and Sicarans - which remain locked to the big box.
For Solar Auxilia? Leman Russ, Malcadors, probably some flyers?
If memory serves, the old Hellbore (the honking great version, which could carry a Company of Imperial Guard) could surface under a building with relative safety, bringing it down around it?
Even if it’s a suicide move for the Termites, might make them appealing to some.
Article said they'll have deep strike. So they're pods with better value per box seemingly.
guess they can assault buildings (if they get the right keywords) to damage them. some specific rule though would help, like a significant CAF boost fighting anything unable to move
tauist wrote: I still have fond memories of the old metal termites for Epic. If I buy these, I will be compelled to make a homage of one of those from at leat one of these. They were partially submerged, with only the drilly front bit poking from the ground.
Also, looking forward to seeing this one in 28mil in the near future
If you can slice them diagonally cleanly enough, you can double your # of models with half going down and half coming up.
I'm hoping there's a bit more to them than just another flavor of drop pod, at least the value is there compared to the drop pod box but a disappointment that they won't be transport options for both factions as hh 2.0 seems to be moving away from that.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Presumably they’re multiple use drop pods, as once arrived they should be able to at least move about above ground.
I guess the only difference is perhaps they can't arrive turn one if deep striking maybe. But its also that you get twice as many in a box compared to pods so they also seem to sorta compete on the value front as well.
I just wish they would A) get the core astartes infantry box back in stock, and B) release more of the core astartes support units. (It's wild to me you can't buy the Siceran/Predatrs seprately yet) I need them for my mini-hammer. Turns out Li models are a perfect 1/3rd scale and can be used to play Oldhammer games on a table that fits in a typical briefcase.
Malika2 wrote: Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?
Ah yes, so make the barrier to entry several hundred dollars more in needing to buy an ipad
But given how GW writes rules (4 paragraphs to say 1 thing, and rules spread across 4 different books/files) I feel like reading rules off an ipad mid-game would be a pain in the arse.
I do like my e-reader for novels, I don't particularly want something like that for rules though.
tauist wrote: I still have fond memories of the old metal termites for Epic. If I buy these, I will be compelled to make a homage of one of those from at leat one of these. They were partially submerged, with only the drilly front bit poking from the ground.
Nothing a few swipes with a razor saw wouldn't fix...
ProfSrlojohn wrote: I just wish they would A) get the core astartes infantry box back in stock, and B) release more of the core astartes support units. (It's wild to me you can't buy the Siceran/Predatrs seprately yet) I need them for my mini-hammer. Turns out Li models are a perfect 1/3rd scale and can be used to play Oldhammer games on a table that fits in a typical briefcase.
Agreed, LI models make for great 40K & HH proxies. The smaller scale works wonders for table sizes
I've been looking to buy another set of Astartes infantry, you kind of need 2 minimum to get anywhere with a marine army in LI, and they only seem to be available fro GW direct
seem to remember, maybe bad memory though, that the tunneller transports had a purpose in that if they had sight of the target surfacing location the scattering was reduced
which also provided incentive to try and kill the otherwise largely unarmed static transports
Malika2 wrote: Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?
Ah yes, so make the barrier to entry several hundred dollars more in needing to buy an ipad
But given how GW writes rules (4 paragraphs to say 1 thing, and rules spread across 4 different books/files) I feel like reading rules off an ipad mid-game would be a pain in the arse.
I do like my e-reader for novels, I don't particularly want something like that for rules though.
Beats having to bring half a library with you just for playing a complete army of ONE faction. :p
Just seems like an odd and greedy business model. Same happens with Necromunda for which by now you’ll probably need half a dozen books just to play a campaign…
Anything I've missed from the below in terms of what we know should be coming?
Announced but not released:
- Termites x 8
- Sicarans x 4
- Predators x 6
- Dreadnought Drop Pods x 4
- Astartes Fast Attack box
- Malcadors x 2
- Leman Russ (battle tanks & vanquishers) x 8
- Shadowsword/Stormsword/Stormblade x 2
- Dracosans x 6
- Stormhammer x 1 (/2?)
Existing models not yet reprinted for LI:
- Xiphons
- Storm Eagles
- Fire Raptors
- Thunderbolts
- Avengers
- Some Knights? Not really up on these
Seen in rulebook interior artwork but not announced:
- Leman Russ variants (specifically, executioner and exterminator - any more seen?)
Plus at least one more book.
Anything I've missed?
I'm working on a Solar Aux army, but my wish list is all Astartes - Stormbird, Mark III Infantry and plastic Primarchs! Probably shouldn't get my hopes up.
leopard wrote: Necromunda is one that seriously needs version control adding
though its not too bad. base book and your gang book and you can get by, the rest are more "so long as someone has one if it matters"
besides its a lot easier to make stuff up
but again, another that seriously needs someone with OCD to go through and organise it
Genuine but admittedly somewhat of a cop-out opinion? The Necromunda Books are more serving suggestions to me. I’ve a copy of every book released, barring the latest rule book. The variants campaigns are food for thought, not something I’d necessarily serve as is. Because for me, that’s what Necromunda has always been. Homebrew City, where GW offers meal kits and condiments, but I’m gonna make my burger my way, and adjust the seasoning to the taste of players.
leopard wrote: Necromunda is one that seriously needs version control adding
though its not too bad. base book and your gang book and you can get by, the rest are more "so long as someone has one if it matters"
besides its a lot easier to make stuff up
but again, another that seriously needs someone with OCD to go through and organise it
Genuine but admittedly somewhat of a cop-out opinion? The Necromunda Books are more serving suggestions to me. I’ve a copy of every book released, barring the latest rule book. The variants campaigns are food for thought, not something I’d necessarily serve as is. Because for me, that’s what Necromunda has always been. Homebrew City, where GW offers meal kits and condiments, but I’m gonna make my burger my way, and adjust the seasoning to the taste of players.
yup quite, indeed all games are really like that, a base framework and suggestions
Also, without encroaching on the opinions of others? If a drip release of books and associated kits is what it takes to make the games financially worthwhile for GW? Whilst quite the assumption, I’d rather that than the boom and bust of old Specialist Games.
Though they have taken the piss with so many Necromunda rule books in such a short space of time. Evolution is one thing. Rampant mutation is another.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Also, without encroaching on the opinions of others? If a drip release of books and associated kits is what it takes to make the games financially worthwhile for GW? Whilst quite the assumption, I’d rather that than the boom and bust of old Specialist Games.
Though they have taken the piss with so many Necromunda rule books in such a short space of time. Evolution is one thing. Rampant mutation is another.
How very Imperial of me!
I’ve always considered the various Necromunda books to be directly equivalent to DnD setting and splat books, for whatever that’s worth. The game has always been about role playing your gang, after all.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Also, without encroaching on the opinions of others? If a drip release of books and associated kits is what it takes to make the games financially worthwhile for GW? Whilst quite the assumption, I’d rather that than the boom and bust of old Specialist Games.
Though they have taken the piss with so many Necromunda rule books in such a short space of time. Evolution is one thing. Rampant mutation is another.
cerebaton wrote: Anything I've missed from the below in terms of what we know should be coming?
Waiting for the following...
- Knight and Titan bundles.
- Porphyrions and Cerastus( Castigators & Acherons ).
- Iconoclaust Titan.
...I'm hoping that GW will see sense and release a new Titanicus book when this lot comes back in, or failing that a proper Legions Imperialis book that allows players to migrate from Titanicus. Not announced, but If Titanicus is staying then the following two kits would be sensible...
Malika2 wrote: Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?
Ah yes, so make the barrier to entry several hundred dollars more in needing to buy an ipad
But given how GW writes rules (4 paragraphs to say 1 thing, and rules spread across 4 different books/files) I feel like reading rules off an ipad mid-game would be a pain in the arse.
I do like my e-reader for novels, I don't particularly want something like that for rules though.
Beats having to bring half a library with you just for playing a complete army of ONE faction. :p
I have an even better solution, don't give GW money for writing gakky rules
But yeah, I've gone back to building Epic armies using old Epic rules and proxies. If they turn around LI, then I might revisit it, but I'm going to guess we have 4 books before the game hits 1 year old
So did anybody get their hands on the drop pods already and could get pictures of the sprues? Since GW never added them to the webstore and apparently not a single person in the world got some for an unboxing.
Matrindur wrote: So did anybody get their hands on the drop pods already and could get pictures of the sprues? Since GW never added them to the webstore and apparently not a single person in the world got some for an unboxing.
Matrindur wrote: So did anybody get their hands on the drop pods already and could get pictures of the sprues? Since GW never added them to the webstore and apparently not a single person in the world got some for an unboxing.
Matrindur wrote: So did anybody get their hands on the drop pods already and could get pictures of the sprues? Since GW never added them to the webstore and apparently not a single person in the world got some for an unboxing.
Found this pic online, not mine:
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Interesting, looks like quite a dense sprue until you realise most of it is the runners
Malika2 wrote: Beats having to bring half a library with you just for playing a complete army of ONE faction. :p
So maybe needing that is the problem, no matter the format you actually consume its contents...
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Malika2 wrote: Just seems like an odd and greedy business model. Same happens with Necromunda for which by now you’ll probably need half a dozen books just to play a campaign…
Matrindur wrote: So did anybody get their hands on the drop pods already and could get pictures of the sprues? Since GW never added them to the webstore and apparently not a single person in the world got some for an unboxing.
Found this pic online, not mine:
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Thanks alot, I was wondering if they could have fit more pods on the sprue if the doors weren't movable but it doesn't seem like much space was wasted for that. Even if they could have combined some parts if they made the doors permanently open, with the level of detail they wanted, it looks like they could have only maybe squeezed one more on the sprue for a total of 6 per box. And I doubt even that would have fit. So unless they put more than 2 sprues in the box 8 was pretty much impossible
Matrindur wrote: So did anybody get their hands on the drop pods already and could get pictures of the sprues? Since GW never added them to the webstore and apparently not a single person in the world got some for an unboxing.
Found this pic online, not mine:
Spoiler:
Thanks alot, I was wondering if they could have fit more pods on the sprue if the doors weren't movable but it doesn't seem like much space was wasted for that.
Even if they could have combined some parts if they made the doors permanently open, with the level of detail they wanted, it looks like they could have only maybe squeezed one more on the sprue for a total of 6 per box. And I doubt even that would have fit.
So unless they put more than 2 sprues in the box 8 was pretty much impossible
Having the missile variant seems to have taken a bit of space, and the side structure looks like some space was wasted. Just lots of runners between parts that feel like they didn't need runners between them.
those drop pod kits look insane for what is basically a one & done model on the table, and one you need a fair few of. this is one occasion when "forgeworld resin" would be better
solid model of the thing closed, then maybe a two part model (base and upper) for it open.
Was building my Astartes Tarantula Batteries and realized the turrets can be mounted on Predator chassis for those classic, RT looking epic scale Whirlwind & LC Razorbacks!
Now I wish I had spare Rhinos.. I got two spare Predator chassis, but they have those sponson holes on the sides, I'd need Rhino side plates..
Sketched how those two bashes could look like (minus Rhino side armorplates)
Hopefully Whirlwinds will be about at some point in the rules as well, that shows they should look pretty good and that for GW its really just slicing the spures as the CAD is essentially done.
hopefully the sprue also includes a Damocles radar dish as well. while a bit pointless in HH at this scale that sort of command vehicle could perhaps prove a lot more interesting.
and if nothing else its a transport for the commanders
Damocles could be included with a whirlwind sprue as a sort of artillery command unit. The sprue could have whirlwinds, hyperios or Damocles as options?
zedmeister wrote: Damocles could be included with a whirlwind sprue as a sort of artillery command unit. The sprue could have whirlwinds, hyperios or Damocles as options?
exactly, becomes just a small antenna on the sprue really. thing is there needs to be a way to use it, e.g. say eight models in the box, needs a way to run units of four, units six and units of eight - specifically so you could have six artillery and two command from the box
I’m at a little over 3,000 points for my Dark Angels. All painted too. Right now? I don’t feel the need to add more of the existing kits to enlarge my collection.
So there, yes demand has dropped, from me at least. I’m not buying more Infantry, Legion Support, Kratos etc because for now I have an elegant sufficiency. Between my various purchases, I can run a Demi-Company, Armoured Compant and a Garrison Company.
But, once the Predators and Sicaran are out? And the Speeder set? Those I’ll be back for. And I’ll also be in the “not insanely priced” market for some Xiphon and those gunships in due course, too.
In the meantime I’ve a Civitas set to build and paint, and the same for two Civitas Ruins.
In the future? I’m game for a Mechanicum army too. And there’s always the possibility I’ll find the sense to revise my ‘no Titan or allies’ stance going forward.
The ruins & civitas terrain sets came back into stock for UK 3rd-party retailers in March, and pretty much all of them had sold out of the stock within a week. So uh, perhaps not.
Oh yeah, forgot to say that also the Astartes LI cards, which were supposed to be sold out altogether, are also back in stock at my discounter. So new stock is more than likely IMO
Not sure how many Sicarans and Malcadors they'll sell since the big box has been out so long. I wonder if they scaled back production of those to avoid a glut?
Funnily enough, its looking like my Epic scale Marine army is going to be complete before my 28mm one, despite HH 2.0 being out a lot longer than LI
Now, I'll just be waiting for Land Speeder Proteus's and Dreadnought Drop Pods to release in plastic for 28mil.. which might take forever for all I know..
Breotan wrote: Not sure how many Sicarans and Malcadors they'll sell since the big box has been out so long. I wonder if they scaled back production of those to avoid a glut?
Hard to say. They’re both fairly bread and butter units, and whilst Anecdote, the sale and trade listing I’ve seen on FB tend to be all the models of one side from the big box, so it may be there’s a fair few folk happier to wait for a separate release than get an arguable discount when you risk being stuck with models you didn’t want.
This time around I’m in for a box of Sicarans for my Armoured Company, and three boxes of Legion Fast Attack to add Vanguard to existing detachments, and the option of a Vanguard Detachment.
I need two superheavy tanks to lead Armoured Companies, I think Baneblade design is far more better than Stormhammer. I still hope there will be a Stormlord kit... ( I prefer a smaller tank, sadly Valdor is not a superheavy tank )
I have decided to limit my choices to rulebook armylist, so Dracosan, Valdor and Infernus Malcador could be represent Malcador tankhunter variants.
Breotan wrote: Not sure how many Sicarans and Malcadors they'll sell since the big box has been out so long. I wonder if they scaled back production of those to avoid a glut?
Only so many rulebook and warhounds one can sell. Those are pretty much entire discount so better get rid of them or not much of discount.
I guess it’s possible, but I kind of doubt it. At this scale and the rules of the game, there’s not as much space for relatively subtle differences. For instance, Neutron Laser Predator vs Twin Lascannon Predator.
Wouldn’t say no though, even if it’s just variant models.
General Kroll wrote: Makes me wonder if the Predators and Russes will be a different kit to the big box, with new turret options etc.
We've already had a leak for the core box russes:
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A bunch of them appeared for sale online around January, which may be the result of a shipping container getting lost / damaged / recovered and would explain the delay.
We have also seen box-style artwork like this for plasma Russes in the LI core book, prompting speculation about a second kit in the future. Presumably that would come with more of the turret options used for the 28mm version.
A second Russ kit down the line is almost an inevitability, considering we don't currently have the classic Demolisher turrets available either. If that also includes the Exterminator and other variants, all the better.
Artworks on books are not realiable. Look at the boxes: Velataris troopers with wolkite charger everywhere, with old Forge World armour. It's merely a copy&paste from other Horus Heresy books.
At the same time, I think it's very easy to replace the main cannon on Leman Russ turret with other weapons, we are full of optional weapons.
Now I'm thinking to replace Stormblade plasma gun with volcano mega requiem of Warhound kit to get Stormlords.
The thing with plasma executioner leman russ artwork in the core rulebook is that it looks exactly like a box artwork would - it is very much in the same style as the regular leman russ, which is also in the same book, it turned out later to be actual artwork on the box. So the suspicion that the executioner leman russ might come out in the future based on that isn`t that far fetched.
There are also plenty other examples in rulebook of the artwork that later appeared on the boxes - arvus, rhinos, warhounds, spartan, kratos, land raiders, and possibly others I missed. They use a very distinct style of artwork for the box art, and the executioner is in that style.
Kretualdo wrote: They use a very distinct style of artwork for the box art, and the executioner is in that style.
Yeah exactly. The style involves (typically) a pair of models displayed front & centre to draw attention, while anything else in the battle is out of focus or otherwise unclear. Scroll back a few months in this thread and you'll see posts predicting termites & plastic arvus announcements from seeing obvious examples of this art style.
There's still several others yet to materialise, and while we some of them may well just be concept or cancelled ideas, I'll bet we do see several more:
A second (or even third as we got both plasma and autocannon russ art) box is very likely and while it won't be in the same box as the current options as that box was already leaked a while ago, it would still make sense if they want to release all options at the same time in the same way both Warhound options where released at the same time.
That would explain why the russes haven't appeared yet.
But I wonder if this would also mean that we get another Predator version too even thought they don't have any additional art?
Kretualdo wrote: They use a very distinct style of artwork for the box art, and the executioner is in that style.
Yeah exactly. The style involves (typically) a pair of models displayed front & centre to draw attention, while anything else in the battle is out of focus or otherwise unclear. Scroll back a few months in this thread and you'll see posts predicting termites & plastic arvus announcements from seeing obvious examples of this art style.
There's still several others yet to materialise, and while we some of them may well just be concept or cancelled ideas, I'll bet we do see several more:
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The Sabre Tanks are even seen in silhouette as part of the formation options.
General Kroll wrote: The Sabre Tanks are even seen in silhouette as part of the formation options.
There's several silhouette's that hint at future units. Arquitor's for one but even more surprising, in the Great Slaughter card deck, there's a silhouette for a destroyer tank hunter for SA. So we may see those and thunderer siege tanks
General Kroll wrote: The Sabre Tanks are even seen in silhouette as part of the formation options.
There's several silhouette's that hint at future units. Arquitor's for one but even more surprising, in the Great Slaughter card deck, there's a silhouette for a destroyer tank hunter for SA. So we may see those and thunderer siege tanks
The skies the limit really with the amount of variety and number of both Guard and Marine tanks that have been made over the years by Gw/Fw.
Kretualdo wrote: The thing with plasma executioner leman russ artwork in the core rulebook is that it looks exactly like a box artwork would - it is very much in the same style as the regular leman russ, which is also in the same book, it turned out later to be actual artwork on the box. So the suspicion that the executioner leman russ might come out in the future based on that isn`t that far fetched.
There are also plenty other examples in rulebook of the artwork that later appeared on the boxes - arvus, rhinos, warhounds, spartan, kratos, land raiders, and possibly others I missed. They use a very distinct style of artwork for the box art, and the executioner is in that style.
Thanks for the explanation.
So three new Leman Russ boxes will come in the future:
1) Strike with battlecannon/Vanquisher cannon
2) Demolisher/Executioner
3) Exterminator/...? Maybe Conqueror? (=these count as light tanks?)
Will probably be going for a box of Dracosans out of this release. Don't much care for the Stormhammers, a shame they're not releasing the Stormblades sooner!
Kretualdo wrote: The thing with plasma executioner leman russ artwork in the core rulebook is that it looks exactly like a box artwork would - it is very much in the same style as the regular leman russ, which is also in the same book, it turned out later to be actual artwork on the box. So the suspicion that the executioner leman russ might come out in the future based on that isn`t that far fetched.
There are also plenty other examples in rulebook of the artwork that later appeared on the boxes - arvus, rhinos, warhounds, spartan, kratos, land raiders, and possibly others I missed. They use a very distinct style of artwork for the box art, and the executioner is in that style.
Thanks for the explanation.
So three new Leman Russ boxes will come in the future:
1) Strike with battlecannon/Vanquisher cannon
2) Demolisher/Executioner
3) Exterminator/...? Maybe Conqueror? (=these count as light tanks?)
Since there was no reveal yet, we can`t be sure they are coming. But based on previous experiences, and the fact that all 3 you listed (battlecannon, executioner, exterminator) appear as box style artwork in rulebook, and the basic battlecannon variant was already leaked/sold (probably illegaly) on ebay with the exact artwork on the box from the book, it is reasonable to assume that the other two might be coming in the future.
I don`t expect any main leman russ variant count as light tank, people have speculated that maybe carnodon will be a light tank, but we have no confirmation yet.
Yeah, it’s also swapped four TL heavy bolters in turrets for the “bay window” of six sponson guns. I think what actually happened was that the Forge World team tried to replicate the original armament in 40K scale and discovered it looked OTT even for 40K so they tweaked it a bit.
Eumerin wrote: The original Stormhammer - that time when the Imperium's vehicle designers took advice from Orks.
Heck a good many old school epic/tl ork vehicles were quite well built. The old Battle Waggon was very much a traditional tank with a deathroller on the front and didn't look ramshackle at all. If anything Orks have become cruder designers over the years
Loved that old Storm hammer! It had thicker armour on the sides as well IIRC so you could get stuck right in with that 1+ armour save and not worry too much about being flanked.
The Storm blade came along last of all didn't it, I can't ever remember seeing that one being used in anger on the tabletop.
Interesting bits are that the "flight stands" for the Jet bikes and Proteus Land Speeders are already molded to the body, only the Javelin one has to be glued on. Also it looks like you might be able to switch the Bike and Jetbike riders around for more visual variation? Dracosans and Javelins seem to have enough bits to choose which weapons you want, Proteus have the bottom gun molded to the body and only one of each of the top one so no choice.
Proteus not coming with options is disappointing, particularly given the way its upgrade option is configured in the rules.
It is hard to understand how inconsistent they are with this (on the same sprue in this case!); some kits have not just come with options but with the spare turrets to be able to build all of them rather than choose (which is awesome) and then others don't even give you any of the options at all.
Some of these Legion sprues also really highlight how much of what you're paying for is just their super chunky sprue runners too.
Maybe it just comes from having been outside the GW ecosystem for a while, but I really want to like this game and they keep making that hard to do!
Mr_Rose wrote: It’s a pity the “modern” one doesn’t have the missile rack anymore.
Tempting to take the missile rack off a manticore and mount it on the side of a modern storm blade.
It's probably fairly trivial to kitbash something with the spare missiles from Aeronautica flyers too
Imperial Armour did some handwaving about how the missile racks were removed because of cases of the missiles being hit and causing the destruction of the entire tank. However, since when did the Imperium care about such things if it meant more firepower? I mean they are the ones issuing hand held plasma weapons that have a reasonable chance of blowing up and killing the operator.
Well, when it’s a rare super heavy chassis which is resource intensive to repair at the best of times, and presumably only a relative handful of Enginseers are allowed to conduct extensive repairs/rebuilding on
It's one thing for a plasma gun wielding marine to not throw his gun away before it blows him up; its another for your Super Heavy Tank to blow its whole rack of missiles and suddenly you've a massive hole in your defence line.
Or worse a ripple effect and suddenly all those super heavies are gone, as is a good chunk of your battleline and army!
Looks like maybe the hype has worn off a bit for LI? One of the largest Australian online sellers (TCC) put up 200 kits of the new LI stuff an hour ago, and so far they've only shifted a handful of boxes. Normally for the popular releases somewhere between half and all of the boxes would be gone by now.
Similar story at Gap, not a lot of product moving, but it seems TCC maybe overestimated popularity, Gap has put up far less stock.
Ha, probably, the last release seemed to have good availability (or poor sales depending on how you look at it ).
Most kits haven't been too hard to find out here other than the initial launch IF you're prepared to pay full retail, they sell out fast at discounters though. This release isn't even selling out fast at the discounters.
Many UK 3rd-party retailers are listing the dreadnought drop pods with a delayed shipping date of some kind, including EG, Dark Sphere, Wayland, and Alchemists. Looks like there's been a stock issue with that specific kit.
xttz wrote: Many UK 3rd-party retailers are listing the dreadnought drop pods with a delayed shipping date of some kind, including EG, Dark Sphere, Wayland, and Alchemists. Looks like there's been a stock issue with that specific kit.
Interesting, the dread drops are available in Oz, but in addition to that the regular drops got a ninja launch this week because they never came out back when they were originally supposed to.
Got a fast attack box preordered from my regular discounter one hour after preorders were announced. Most of the LI kits seem to be in stock as well, so the inventory problems seem to be over for now, at least in the EU
A pity regarding the Land Speeders, I will be swapping out the fixed flight stands for some proper translucent ones for sure, same for the jetbikes
Here's an interview with the winner of the last Warhammer World LI tourney. He didnt bring any vehicles to the games besides Rhinos and a Warmaster, and a lot of the talk in this video revolves around the thought that in LI, if you want to play competitively, vehicles are trash and Dreads and walkers are king
tauist wrote: Lets discuss LI meta at lenght, shall we?
Here's an interview with the winner of the last Warhammer World LI tourney. He didnt bring any vehicles to the games besides Rhinos and a Warmaster, and a lot of the talk in this video revolves around the thought that in LI, if you want to play competitively, vehicles are trash and Dreads and walkers are king
nice to see there is nothing in any way broken or in the least bit overpowered about marine heavy support detachments and integrated heavy weapons teams in tactical units.
I mean no way twin shot ignores cover gaks would cause any issue or the massed single shot AT krak missiles would cause problems is there?
if only oneone had point this out shortly after the book was released
Am I missing something? Malcadors and Sicarans weren't available for pre-order in the US. RoW seem to have them. Shipping problem? Or problem with the US warehouse?
Breotan wrote: Am I missing something? Malcadors and Sicarans weren't available for pre-order in the US. RoW seem to have them. Shipping problem? Or problem with the US warehouse?
Not sure if that was already in the preorder article last Sunday or if it was edited later but at least now it says Malcadors and Sicarans are delayed in US and Canada
Breotan wrote: Am I missing something? Malcadors and Sicarans weren't available for pre-order in the US. RoW seem to have them. Shipping problem? Or problem with the US warehouse?
Not sure if that was already in the preorder article last Sunday or if it was edited later but at least now it says Malcadors and Sicarans are delayed in US and Canada
It was in the article at the time. I noted it to a friend shortly after he linked me the article. It was, however, in a non-obvious asterisk and footnote. IIRC, Australia also had a delay of a different thing noted in it.
I have to admit the idea of drop podding an astartes command into position via a drop pod in order to be able to change an order in a critical spot during a game sound genius. Legion trait shopping for double shoot and infiltrate sound questionably brtoken however..
I like the HQ podding idea so much, I'm even considering adding it to my 28mm army fluff. I'm thinking dropping one support combat squad along with 2 deathstorms for clearing out the immediate proximity threats sounds quite doable, and isn't terribly points intensive either
Not surprised to see the tournament winner favouring a Warmaster titan, given that it only costs 150 points more than a Warlord for +6 shields, 2 extra weapons, +4 CAF, +1 wound and +1 better save. I would expect a future FAQ to increase it's points to at least 1,000.
Not going to write an essay on it, but I reckon that this edition of Legions has been considered a bit of a ballsup, and GW has kept on both AT and AI a little bit longer than planned until they can do a soft-relaunch.
By 2026, Legions will see it's "2nd edition" and both AT and AI will have been discontinued.
SamusDrake wrote: Not surprised to see the tournament winner favouring a Warmaster titan, given that it only costs 150 points more than a Warlord for +6 shields, 2 extra weapons, +4 CAF, +1 wound and +1 better save. I would expect a future FAQ to increase it's points to at least 1,000.
900pts would make more sense so it fits perfectly as the 30% for 3000pts games. But I doubt we'll see it changing points, GW releasing a Imperator-class Titan for 900pts seems more likely to me (still unlikely but feels more likely than the Warmaster going up to 900pts)
tauist wrote: Lets discuss LI meta at lenght, shall we?
Here's an interview with the winner of the last Warhammer World LI tourney. He didnt bring any vehicles to the games besides Rhinos and a Warmaster, and a lot of the talk in this video revolves around the thought that in LI, if you want to play competitively, vehicles are trash and Dreads and walkers are king
Thoughts?
I posted the same months ago. Infantry and Dreads are OP in points efficiency.
Being a GW tournament, there wouldn’t have been non-official models. Or at least not noticably non-official.
So, given a lot of models have rules but not freely available models, the meta is somewhat restricted right now. So there’s still plenty of scope for that to change as things come out.
Me? I’ve just ordered a bunch of new toys. Second squadron of Sicarans, and three boxes of Legion Fast Attack, as I have some potentially interesting plans for the nippy lads. Outriders in particular seem quite interesting. Two guns per base, one of which is Light AT with an accurate 4+ to hit. So whilst they’re small squadrons (maximum six bases), combined with their speed and Jink, they seem decent hunters. Sure Light AT isn’t great, but if you let me get behind your armour? I can do a surprising amount of damage.
If we see Marine Infantry retooled into a new kit, perhaps with a greater number of Assault Marines, Dark Angels players are going to have a whale of a time kicking people out of garrisoned buildings, because between Jump and Phosphex? All your troops are going out the nearest window, on fire and all hacked to bits.
You would be surprised Doc - an acquaintance of mine had his 30k army, which barely featured a mini without 3rd party bits and conversions/printed stuff, had a load of the staff fawning over it and got put on display in the cabinet in WHW. So I think unless you made a big deal out of it ("I printed my army, what are you going to do about it lol?") and force the staff to take action, ultimately they are hobbyists themselves and I honestly don't think they care. At least that has been my experience.
On the subject of tournaments, I don't think it's suitable as a competitive/cut & thrust game. The fact that within a few games you are finding stuff that is obviously imbalanced for the points (or otherwise are a waste of time to include), and I'm not even trying, mean that anyone who really spends time trying to break the game to make dirty tournament lists will not struggle to do so. I know this won't stop people playing the game like that (I mean, look at 30+ years of 40k tournaments, and people still trying to treat it like a professional sport) but for me I am just sticking to narrative and softer events. Means I can use the minis I want to even if they are not 'optimal' and hopefully I will play against someone who feels likewise. If not, at least I get to pack up early
We also don’t know what lists this guy was coming up against, or the relative player experience involved.
Whilst well rusty, I still have decade old experience of Epic HTH based around CAF to draw on. Likewise I’ve some residual knowledge of how to select orders, and predict what I think my opponent is gonna try on that turn.
For all we know, this chap had opponents of little to no experience, who might’ve missed tricks, or were overly risk adverse.
Other factors? What was the terrain like? Was the Warmaster stomping around a world of single story buildings? Was their much in the way of ruins for enemy units to seek cover in and become much harder to winkle out?
This isn’t to simply call him jammy and write off his achievement. It’s just that there’s more to it than “my list is really strong”. And without the more detailed information about make or break rolls, decisions, deployment etc, we can’t come to any firm conclusions. Especially where Orders, done carelessly, absolutely can hamstring your army.
Which is why I’ve always loved the Order System in alternating activation. They remove my ability to freely react. I can’t just wait and see how your movement is shaping up overall. I need to decide what my unit won’t be doing in a given turn, and from there what risks that’s exposing me to.
The Warmaster is of course massively powerful. But at 3,000 points it’s 25% of your army. 25% which can’t control objectives. So whilst risky to let it go entirely unmolested, I can play keep away via terrain, and put the pressure on by grabbing objectives. Or at least, y’know, try to. The important thing is I don’t have to engage it.
The Warmaster is of course massively powerful. But at 3,000 points it’s 25% of your army. 25% which can’t control objectives. So whilst risky to let it go entirely unmolested, I can play keep away via terrain, and put the pressure on by grabbing objectives. Or at least, y’know, try to. The important thing is I don’t have to engage it.
There is this wrong idea that titans can't control objectives. Yes they can. What they can't do is contest them.
And the Warmaster was the least broken thing in that list. Way below missile launchers and dreads.
schoon wrote: So... LI is on the mid-May preview list.
Any thoughts on what might be announced?
The next book is a pretty save bet. The actual question is if and how many of the accompanying models they show. Currently we only have the Termites and three detachments via the Shadowsword box. TGS had 9 different kits that gave us 17 different detachments so there should be quite a bit more to see for the next expansion.
My crazy guess is a teaser for Mechanicum. As HH has them teased already and they might want to release them in the same timeframe for LI like they did SA we could even see a teaser for them at this event. And while I would be happy if we just get more models, that can also just happen via HH Thursdays when they come back but something back like a new faction would fit a reveal show
Stuff that has rules and no commercially available models, and slots with nothing to fill them.
1. Space Marine Flyers. The models for these pre-exist Legions Imperialis. And that’s a significant set of options currently unavailable commercially.
2. Space Marine Artillery. No units in rules or models.
3. Space Marine Light Armour. No units in rules or models.
So there’s definitely room for more, and I dare say demand (I’m certainly in, though one tosspot a market does not make). In terms of the next supplement wave? Just give me my artillery and light armour.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Stuff that has rules and no commercially available models, and slots with nothing to fill them.
1. Space Marine Flyers. The models for these pre-exist Legions Imperialis. And that’s a significant set of options currently unavailable commercially.
2. Space Marine Artillery. No units in rules or models.
3. Space Marine Light Armour. No units in rules or models.
So there’s definitely room for more, and I dare say demand (I’m certainly in, though one tosspot a market does not make). In terms of the next supplement wave? Just give me my artillery and light armour.
The fact we will have everything from the first expansion while still waiting for both Aeronautica and Titanicus rereleases is crazy.
My wish for the next expansion would be at least one option for every Detachment type. So Light Armour (Sabre) and Artillery (Arquitor) for SM and Light Armour (Carnodon?) for SA After that I would wish for SM super heavies and Despoilers as a CC focused troops choice
I for one am looking forward to fielding a properly maxed out Demi-Company. I’ve maxed out the infantry options (one with Missiles, one with Plasma, one just Bolters) as well as the Assault Marines, Dreadnoughts and Terminators (Dreadnoughts of all three flavours too).
But if I’m to field Just A Demi-Company? I need those missing options!
Who knows. Mechanicum as an army option would be nice. The Mastodon would be a nice centerpiece kit as would the Leviathan. The Forge World catalogue/models of yore means there are loads to choose from.
New terrain? Actual fortifications, for that Siege of Terra look? I'll get the one-in-a-million chance for Orks and Eldar out of the way here too.
schoon wrote: So... LI is on the mid-May preview list.
Any thoughts on what might be announced?
The next book is a pretty save bet. The actual question is if and how many of the accompanying models they show. Currently we only have the Termites and three detachments via the Shadowsword box. TGS had 9 different kits that gave us 17 different detachments so there should be quite a bit more to see for the next expansion.
My crazy guess is a teaser for Mechanicum. As HH has them teased already and they might want to release them in the same timeframe for LI like they did SA we could even see a teaser for them at this event. And while I would be happy if we just get more models, that can also just happen via HH Thursdays when they come back but something back like a new faction would fit a reveal show
As I said in the other thread, with it being on a preview stream I reckon it's going to be a milestone release rather than unveiling just the next expansion / single kits as they did on the Thursday articles.
Given the release approach for regular scale HH I think it's plausible that additional LI infantry kits could be first launched via battleforce boxes containing a mix of new & old kits, similar to the Mk3 marines last year & Solar Auxillia this year. That seems like an appropriate product to show off on a preview stream, as it also doubles up as another starter box for the game to pick up new players that weren't keen on the mixed starter set.
With marines & solar confirmed in supplement #2 and some obvious range gaps to complete, AdMech are probably more likely to wait until at least supplement #3. However there is a possibility that we'll get the Mechanicum themed knights released in plastic in advance of that. We've seen potential box art for Styrix & Atrapos kits. There are several core kits still to release separately which could almost fill a release wave alone (russ / predator / aircraft / knight & titan boxes). What if they upgraded a couple more existing resin units to plastic at the same time via a June/July release wave, before supplement book #2 arrives around August?
I did a little conversion of the standard Veletaris as a tribute to the early edition Guard assault troops and that artwork. Also so I can use them in SM 2nd Epic/NetEpic as they have a longer move in that game. When playing Legions, these guys just jump out of the Arvus It was a simple conversion just scraped the backs of the minis flat and stuck on a jump pack conversion but from Vanguard Miniatures
seasider wrote: Has anyone else noticed that in the upcoming price rises, there are a few items of interest for Legions Imperialis?
It appears the Predators and Leman Russ are both about to be released in their own box sets, along with a re release of the Great Slaughter cards.
Where is this list? The only confirmed one I've seen contained online-only items, had the LI bases at no price increase. None of the rest of the range was listed.
Lots of nice models shown in the preview! I 'm also going hard on Sabres when they are released.
Not sure how I feel about customising units with Battle Honors at this scale, though.
CorwinB wrote: Lots of nice models shown in the preview! I 'm also going hard on Sabres when they are released.
Not sure how I feel about customising units with Battle Honors at this scale, though.
Battle Honours are surely a campaign thing, where such things have a better home to begin with. I'm happy with them at Epic scale, if they're reasonably conservative with their effects, as troop quality and training across larger formations is indeed one of the decisive factors in real combat. An individual soldier of superlative skill is a nice thing to have, but an elite company is an actual asset that usually does get its own statline in historical games.
The post-reveal chat on Warhammer Community all but says it's just for campaigns.
Kind of disappointed at the lack of new stuff in the campaign book. I know they want to spread things out to maximise book sales, but the Solar Auxilia in particular feel a bit thin on the ground when all they're getting are what amount to new turret options for tanks that're already out. You'd think they'd throw in the Aurox or Carnodon to mix things up a bit.
Screen grabs pinched from Canterbury Crusaders’ FB feed, showing some of the rules off.
Sicaran Arcus seem quite nice. Not great on Range, but the multiple shots, even with Anti-Tank, means it can mess up infantry pretty well with the missile launcher. Ripple Fire allows you to re-roll 1’s to Hit when on First Fire orders. Which seems OK.
So exactly as expected anything with a boxart like image in the books got a kit (though two more LR kits are still slightly unexpected)
Are there any more images left that didn't get a kit yet?
I can only remember the Mechanicum knights which if they get a plastic one instead of just staying resin will likely only come with a future Mechanicum expansion
Still no marine superheavies? That's the main thing I want to see.
But, I dunno, I just can't get excited for this, another campaign book so soon? I'd rather see them wrap up the main core forces, release a rulebook that includes all those forces, and move on to other things like Mechanicum.
I wonder if we'll get more marine infantry boxes, the preview included things like Terminator formations in Land Raiders, at the moment to do that would require buying a few tons of other infantry.
So from a number of kits perspective we currently have 6 kits coming for this expansion (the 4 revealed yesterday and the Terminates and Shadowsword box) The Great Slaughter meanwhile had 9 kits plus the rules for the Cyclops that is in the same box as the corebook SA support stuff
If we are instead using the number of detachments we have 3 from the Shadowsword kit as we already saw the Shadowsword card in the video and it doesn't have the other two guns on it like the Baneblade/Hellhammer combo so all three versions are likely getting their own detachment. The Termites and Sabres should be one each but again the cards for the Demolisher LR and Sicaran Arcus only have their guns and not the other versions on it so should be another 4 detachments from these two kits. No card for the Exterminator/Annihilator LR kit but likely the same so another 2 detachments. So in total we currently have 11 detachments from the 6 upcoming kits. Meanwhile TGS had 16 detachments (not counting the Palisades and counting the Cyclops)
So we currently both have less kits and less detachments for this book which makes it possible there is going to be about two more kits for this book that haven't been revealed yet
Breotan wrote: Or, it may be as simple as each expansion not intended to have the same number of kits.
Sure just saying there could be more.
Personally while the Sicaran and LR versions are nice they are still just alternate weapon versions for already existing kits, especially the 2 additional LR kits.
So just three unique new kits for an expansion book just kinda feels too low to me
Sabres are very welcome, being our first Light Armour unit for Astartes.
Sicaran variants also welcome, as they’re our third and fourth Armour option. From the rules I shared above, the Arcus may best compliment the Demi-Company, as it can do effective AA, and with Heavy Bolter sponsons it can kick out 6 shots against Infantry, which is nothing to be sniffed at.
Sabres are very welcome, being our first Light Armour unit for Astartes.
Sicaran variants also welcome, as they’re our third and fourth Armour option. From the rules I shared above, the Arcus may best compliment the Demi-Company, as it can do effective AA, and with Heavy Bolter sponsons it can kick out 6 shots against Infantry, which is nothing to be sniffed at.
Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.
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schoon wrote: New book and more miniatures. Both are welcome in my eyes.
Agreed. We want continued support for the game, new models and a book are very welcome in my eyes.
Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.
SA don't have the Chimera or any of those chassis variants, the only thing that could probably fit the light slot is the Carnodon
Breotan wrote: Or, it may be as simple as each expansion not intended to have the same number of kits.
Sure just saying there could be more.
Personally while the Sicaran and LR versions are nice they are still just alternate weapon versions for already existing kits, especially the 2 additional LR kits.
So just three unique new kits for an expansion book just kinda feels too low to me
Indeed, with the preview stream I was expecting something more substanial like a battleforce box with new infantry. We already knew about Termites, Shadowswords, and that another expansion book is coming, so the only truly brand new things here were the sabres and extra weapon options for existing units.
Something GW marketing have been pretty consistent about in recent years is to only show off contents of a book/codex/battletome once all the related models have been unveiled. Sadly that strongly implies this will be all of the new units coming.
I think the only realistic hope for more stuff in this wave would be:
a) There's more terrain coming
b) They plan to upgrade some more of the resin units from the core book like the Arvus into plastic kits, as those don't need new unit entries. Still have my fingers crossed for Armigers / Styrix / Atrapos in plastic...
Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.
SA don't have the Chimera or any of those chassis variants, the only thing that could probably fit the light slot is the Carnodon
They have their Chimera-equivalent IFV in the Aurox, but that should fill a similar slot to the Rhino really. It's not there to zip around without infantry. Carnodons would fill that role, yeah.
Unrelated to minis, is this the first book to actually address Tallarn? For one of the most famous battles of the Heresy from before the novels, it seems to have been getting very little attention in them.
I'm clearly not the target audience here (3rd edition player), but the reveal was rather underwhelming. Though I am pleased to see the demolisher....but is this the first stand alone leman russ kit we've seen?
The release overall has been spotty, I've not been keeping up with it fully. Its seems littered with expansions but kits are out of stock or unavailable. I want to spend money on it, but GW are making it very difficult. I've gone over the webstore (which is extremely awkward now for LI) and either half the stuff is missing or not been made available.
Still- the best thing on the reveal was the plastic Mechanicum in HH big scale which gives me hope we'll see them in tiny scale next year. I have a loads of tiny robots already from vanguard minis, but if we get plastic triaros and castellaxs in epic scale then hopefully GW will make it that I can give them my money for them. All my moneys. All I've ever wanted since citadel journal 21 is lots and lots of teeny tiny robots to blast away with. (And not have to hunt down the old chaos androids for horrible amounts of ebay money)
RexHavoc wrote: Still- the best thing on the reveal was the plastic Mechanicum in HH big scale which gives me hope we'll see them in tiny scale next year. I have a loads of tiny robots already from vanguard minis, but if we get plastic triaros and castellaxs in epic scale then hopefully GW will make it that I can give them my money for them. All my moneys. All I've ever wanted since citadel journal 21 is lots and lots of teeny tiny robots to blast away with. (And not have to hunt down the old chaos androids for horrible amounts of ebay money)
Hopefully the next big preview is the opposite- Tiny Mechanicum and full scale Sabres, Sicaran variants, SA superheavies, and Termites.
I'm not sure that what this game needed, as in what it simply couldn't do without, is yet another heavy book to carry
the newer models look nice, but the number of models with rules per book is terrible
this seriously needs to shift to faction books for a "2nd edition" such that its a rule book (smaller than at present), your faction book and then maybe a scenario/campaign book
as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it
Then you don’t actually have an army. You have an AT army.
Titanicus has lost it's model range to Legions, and those terminals and cards are only a low effort gesture while they transition over to the newer system. In the last year the only specific release for Titanicus has been dice. Thats it and the game is on it's way out. Unless GW have an announcement they'd like to share with us...case closed.
But the point I'd like to make is that - yes - it sucks that we can't just have army books, but this is the first edition of Legions Imperialis and the range has to be built up over time. Horus Heresy on the other hand is on it's second edition and seems to be largely replacing existing FW kits, so having army books makes sense as players already have the models to use.
Getting back to Knights, its ridiculous because they were effectively ready to go with only the need for Armigers - a single plastic kit to provide the basic troop option. Afterall, in the sister game Heresy - which Legions is clearly meant to complement - you only have a Knight for at least every two Armigers. No reason at all why they couldn't have done the same for Legions and boast a 3rd faction with the lowest effort possible. Or so it seems...
This is why I recommend going into Legions slowly and not trying to build a large collection too fast; I strongly believe that Legions will be softly relaunched either next year, or at the latest 2026, and we'll see a revision of balancing and probably see the introduction of collected army books. At the same time, both Titanicus and Aeronautica will be discontinued.
I'm guessing that something didn't go according to plan with the development of Legions Imperialis as it was supposed to launch in August, but delayed to November. GW also recommended a standard game is 3K points but the reality turned out to be 1.5K points, with 3K points being the realistic budget to comfortably include Titans. Both AT and AI are pretty much abandoned games, but still on sale with just the release of bases and dice. I'm guessing that GW slightly alterered course and are plaining a revision of the game, and have kept both AT and AI around to fill the gap and adjust Legions to reflect that; Titans and Knights are either in their own exclusive mode or very limited support. On top of all this, there are clear issues with balancing which prevent it from being a tournament-worthy game, which GW cannot leave unaddressed...
So for the time being...we should just see it as a good thing that Epic is back and focus on just slowly getting up to speed and making more of 1.5K battles. Any book purchases made with the clear intention of being replaced by compendiums, and sent to the charity shops...
Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.
leopard wrote: I'm not sure that what this game needed, as in what it simply couldn't do without, is yet another heavy book to carry
the newer models look nice, but the number of models with rules per book is terrible
this seriously needs to shift to faction books for a "2nd edition" such that its a rule book (smaller than at present), your faction book and then maybe a scenario/campaign book
as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it
I just got my Fast Attack box and while I always knew that the bikes and jetbikes are on bigger bases I somehow never realized that those are 32mm and not 40mm. (There goes my plan to use my 2 left over 40mm from the 2x4 new bases I ordered for my 6 Questoris knights to get two more bases of bikes with only 2 per base, oh well)
But that got me thinking, 40mm was already in use by the Questoris for AT so they had to produce them anyways but 32mm isn't used anywhere else for now (Armigers are on 25mm right?) Producing a mold just for the few bases for that single kit and especially one big enough for 5 (maybe 6 but I only got 5) different designs seems wastefull to me. They could have just changed the numbers of models per base or put them on the already exiting 40mm bases. Personally I think the bikes look a bit cramped anyways.
That makes me think that these won't be the only models to use 32mm bases. Which in turn brings me to the question, what else is there in the range that could use 32mm bases? I can't think of anything in the Space Marine or Solar Auxilia ranges that would be big enough while still using bases?
For Mechanicum there is the Thanatar for example but is there anything in the other factions that I'm missing that could also use those bases?
Yeah I’m looking forward to the Sabre tanks. They look adorable. I wonder what the light option for guard would be? Hellhounds? Chimera and variants? Salamander? Or maybe the buggy thing the old Elysian FW army used to have.
SA don't have the Chimera or any of those chassis variants, the only thing that could probably fit the light slot is the Carnodon
They don't have now. They have the moment gw says they do.
leopard wrote: I'm not sure that what this game needed, as in what it simply couldn't do without, is yet another heavy book to carry
the newer models look nice, but the number of models with rules per book is terrible
this seriously needs to shift to faction books for a "2nd edition" such that its a rule book (smaller than at present), your faction book and then maybe a scenario/campaign book
as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Well, with the Diddy Sentinels out for AoD, I could see those being two to a base for 32mm?
I’d think three to a base if they’re on 32s – they really are tiny.
Solar Auxilia don’t have rough riders or an equivalent do they?
Unrelated I just noticed that the Spartan hatch crew are in Mk VI armour while the Proteus crew are all in Mk III and it’s fascinating that I can tell that at all.
leopard wrote: I'm not sure that what this game needed, as in what it simply couldn't do without, is yet another heavy book to carry
the newer models look nice, but the number of models with rules per book is terrible
this seriously needs to shift to faction books for a "2nd edition" such that its a rule book (smaller than at present), your faction book and then maybe a scenario/campaign book
as it is this is shaping up to require lugging far too much paper about to play it
It's part of the sales/marketing model though Leopard. I should think the return on these books is pretty good - no artist costs, most of the background material is just regurgitated from other sources and a few new kits, some of which are just new variations on existing models.
I guess the good news for the longevity of Legions is that the game is perhaps doing well enough that you can drip-feed a new release and book like this, and they don't see any need to bring in new factions or any other really big system sellers yet (Admech, Primarchs etc, the scope of the setting is huge)
may well be part of the marketing stuff but enjoy the game as I do GW have essentially killed it locally through poor model availability and now they are essentially pushing the buy in cost ever higher
They're kind of a must-have for oldhammerists..
By this rate, I'll be playing AT18 & 1st Edition Space Marine this autumn at the earliest.. For all I know, KT24 will be out by then 
