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Burning Star IV wrote:

This reeks of every other cliched Chaos list out there, except it's trying to be different, and it isn't working. The Defiler is severely out of place, being your only vehicle in a 2000 point list, and the Lashes are gonna give you no conceivable advantage, because your Oblits will die.

The reason it's so cliched is because that the 6 to 9 Oblit + Lash DPs list is the only competitive one. It isn't the codexes fault it was gutted.

I think the 1ksons are fine, because if someone's depending on cover, you can lash them out of it and let them have it with the 1k sons. That takes care of the 5th edition cover saves problem, usually.

The defiler + lash combo being dismantled by someone destroying the defiler's battle cannon is a problem. If you really like the idea, you may consider a vindicator with possession - about the same points, not useless versus terminators or other 2+ saves, and 1 more point of armour. It's also got a smaller profile, making it easier to get cover saves.

Your terminators going plasma heavy may be a problem. Perhaps if you want more anti-tank, make all those plasmas into meltas? As you use them, you can make the "duds" be the casualties if you take fire, and keep on using the spares on other tanks as you go. Problem is that you use a 10-man squad of terminators to eliminate one tank at a time. Splitting them up into two squads of 5 may serve you better. Or if you don't want to buy two marks of nurgle, try a squad of 7 with the mark and a squad of 3 without, consisting of an autocannon, chainfist, and 2 meltaguns. Deepstrike it, nuke a tank, and then let it be an annoyance to the enemy.

tbh i have advice and i changed it i like it and also people in my local gamesworkshop aint like realy competive we play more fun games so read the title i did'nt say rate competeive army list i think this be a fun list to play and would do pretty well against space marines, chaos space marines


also


i rate the player not the army a crap player could do badly with a good army same with a good player with a bad army

so dont say i could beat this with my sisters army cause you never played me so you cant say this

Xav wrote:tbh i have advice and i changed it i like it and also people in my local gamesworkshop aint like realy competive we play more fun games so ur just being stupid i think this be a fun list to play and would do pretty well against space marines, chaos space marines

then dont ask for advice on an internet forum. especially then dont call people stupid because they did what you asked of them. if you weren't going to change the list anyway them why did you post here and waste everybodies time?

and use full stops. they are betweeen the right-shift key and the apostrophie key.

i have changed the list and im now happy with it now thats what im saying so people stop posting on this thread DAMNIT!

I give it a 3 for having no real cohesion, and for including a defiler.

It takes a poster like this, to make me come out of my many months of lurking.

Its hard to believe that someone could post a list and ask for advice, and then
shoot down every bit that he gets. All the while putting down those that have
offered the advice.

If there is one thing I can say about the people who post here, it's that I've
learned more about the rules and tactics of Warhammer 40k here than on
any other forum. Also the people that post here generally are genuine and
hand out critisism in a way so as not to put one down.

Perfect, I will second:

On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being My Chemical Romance and 10 being Michael Phelps, I would give it a meh.

How about an 11 for Falco, with "ROCK ME AMADEUS!"

yeah
I'm looking at the most recent list with 5 edits. I Kinda agree with the general feeling towards the list:
I'd split the terminators into two squads of five and switch to all meltas for better tank hunting,
and drop the terminators mark of nurgle and save the points.
and split the PMs into two squads and buy another champion PF and Plasma guns
Maybe change the defiler for a preditor annihilator or more oblits...

marks outta 10 = 7

PaniC..

panic you say to do all this i havnt got the points. The combi-plasmas are for rapid fire 10 plasma gun shots are more effective then say 5 melta shots im going to change 1 combi-plasma to a combi-melta

Yeah,
but that's list building isn't it!
you'll find points by dropping a few things like the mark of nurgle
scrimp and save here and spend there...

PaniC..

aug the reason ive been ignoring advice is cause i dont want to have 3x3 obliterators and split up my plague marines i like the termies mark of nurgle and stuff people on here are good its just i think i got a good base for this army lol you should have seen my original list ive changed it so much and im pretty happy with it.

and i get so much mixed opinion i like the defiler and some people say its good others "scrap it" in this thread i asked for a rating and people have given me a rating of 1 cause im apparently ignoring advice that other people have warned me against also they should read the title i asked for a rating they also say i could could beat it with this army or this well you dont know that you havnt played me.

sorry if i seem like im ignoring advice but ive had alot of mixed opinion

I think everybody has actually told you to scrap the devfiler.

lol people on different threads said keep it

tbh il keep it see how it goes if its terrible il swap it with someone for a predator with twin-linked las and heavy bolter SP or one with all las probaly all las as im pretty much lacking in anti-tank but il be 30 points over im 15 over now lol

I would give it a 1.5 cuz its probably a 1 but im nice but not nice enough to give it a 2. You obviously have no idea what you are doing:

-Terminators (10)
-4 combi plasma,4 combi melta,2 reapers,2 chainfists
-Mark of nurgle.
-460

does not make any sense. with the plasma, ur equipping it to kill MEQ, with melta and chainfist for heavy tankbusting, and with the reapers for GEQ killing/light tank busting. If you are using them for one of these roles you are completely wasting its potential for the other roles, for example if you fire at a rhino you are wasting the melta and chainfists (because they would be better used for taking down a land raider)

Also, you have not taken into account at all the possiblity of facing a horde. You do not have a single flamer, and can only pack a max of 32 shots per turn, and will get vastly overwhelmed by orcs in melee... imagine 80+ boys for the points of ur thousand sons, ripping them apart in a furious melee. Oh, and another 80 against ur termies, here the mathammer:

Termies: 20 attakcs x .5 chance to hit x .5 chance to wound = 5 of 80 boys dead = 30 pts of dead ork

Lets say they can fit 1 mob of 30 into combat with you

Boyz: 60 attacks x .5 chance to hit x.5 chance to wound x.1666 chance to fail save = 2 or 3 dead termies =100 pts of dead CSM

100 divided by 30 is more than 3 to one ratio of loss

Don't even think about trying to wipe them out in shooting- you dont have a singel flamer

.01 actually cuz you need more obliterators

I would give it a 6. You don't need to have so many troops. You just need to worry about killing the other persons troops. Take some chosen or more obiltes. Also lose the Demon Prince because they are way to easy to kill in 5th. You should take some Psy commanders and put them in a squad to make the less easy to get too.

Please lock this thread, it gets more and more weird.
Xav, why do you want rating for a fun list, a list that is not even fun to play.

james blake you forgot i got the battle cannon for hordes the termies will go after whatever i want them too i can kill light vehicles with the reapers plasmas for rapid fire on vehicles or killing other termies meltas and chainfist taking down the big tanks

and james you also forgot i can just lash the hordes back

a big squad of 25 orks lash once lets say 5 inches back next lash another 6 inches

and weust i think this list will be fun to play

and also all you people if ur so good at making army list you re-create this one keeping the plague marines defiler and 1 sqad of thousand son in cause the guy who gave me a 1 back there on the first page looked at one of his army lists it was crap

JamesBlake wrote:

Termies: 20 attakcs x .5 chance to hit x .5 chance to wound = 5 of 80 boys dead = 30 pts of dead ork

Lets say they can fit 1 mob of 30 into combat with you

Boyz: 60 attacks x .5 chance to hit x.5 chance to wound x.1666 chance to fail save = 2 or 3 dead termies =100 pts of dead CSM

100 divided by 30 is more than 3 to one ratio of loss

Don't even think about trying to wipe them out in shooting- you dont have a singel flamer

well,you forgot one important fact:the "No retreat" for fearless units.

orks will suffer additional wounds after lose the combat.every unit of the lost side which just engaged in the combat will suffer it.

so the ork player would not make himself into a multi-combat.it would make the casaulty change-ratio for the termies looks better.(but i also think that the termies still cannot get back their costs)

lol but first thing i would'nt put the termies in combat against a mob of 30 orks into there weakened second thing they have the mark of nurgle so the orks be wounding on 5s

also i do have flamers on the obliterators

i give you a 1 for sportsmanship , a 1 for painting score since ive sen no pics, a 1 for your general score since this army sucks, and a 1 for intelligence by telling people to make a better list keeping in all the units they told you to scrap

JamesBlake wrote:
Termies: 20 attakcs x .5 chance to hit x .5 chance to wound = 5 of 80 boys dead = 30 pts of dead ork

Lets say they can fit 1 mob of 30 into combat with you

Boyz: 60 attacks x .5 chance to hit x.5 chance to wound x.1666 chance to fail save = 2 or 3 dead termies =100 pts of dead CSM

100 divided by 30 is more than 3 to one ratio of loss

Don't even think about trying to wipe them out in shooting- you dont have a singel flamer

Blake your math is off a little, those 30 Boyz will have 120 attacks to maul his termies with 2Base+1Additional CCW+1charging=4

120*.5 (to hit)*.5 (to wound)*(1/6)(Termie saves)=5

Should be enough to wipe out a termie squad all together.

Should we be incorporating grammar into our scores?

Well since the original post has been deleted by the OP in an attempt to close down the thread I can't give it a score.

I for incomplete then!