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**Tawnis**

Prometheum5 wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't have a dog in this fight, but Kingdom Death really feels like a pyramid scheme at this point.

Three years? Is he sculpting each and every model by hand individually?

Haha, same. I check this thread out of morbid fascination, is there even a real game to play? The whole thing seems like a scam people complain about.

I've got the base game (which is quite well designed and a lot of fun), but didn't have the money to buy into the expansions.

From what I've seen by following this over the years, is it's kinda like the old Blizzard model (before WoW), nothing gets sent out until it's perfect, unfortunately, with Kickstarter, most people are paying advance for something that will be delayed for many years because of this. This is somewhat offset by the fact that if you get in at the beginning, you're paying for the original idea, and you end up getting WAY more than you bargained for without having to pay the higher prices that come along later with the increase in scope. The downside is that you have to wait literal years to get your game.

I think that by now, most people are aware that this is the way KDM works and just decide to support or not based off that.

All that being said, the base game is still a lot of fun and can be purchased off the KDM store, which I do highly recommend, it's one of my favourite games of all time (second only to Twilight Imperium). I haven't gotten any expansions yet as they are rather pricey, but I hope to one day.

**Tannhauser42**

Got the earlier notice to pay shipping for the Black Knight. Paid the shipping. Just got a shipping notice that not just the Black Knight is on the way, but several other kits from this wave are on the way, too.

Edit: just checked the email, and it says one of the things that was shipped is the Gambler's Chest? But I already got that. Guess I'll see what I get when the package gets here later this week.

**Alpharius**

Ronin_eX wrote:
Prometheum5 wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I don't have a dog in this fight, but Kingdom Death really feels like a pyramid scheme at this point.

Three years? Is he sculpting each and every model by hand individually?

Haha, same. I check this thread out of morbid fascination, is there even a real game to play? The whole thing seems like a scam people complain about.

There is actually a game at the centre of all of it. Someone in my regular group backed it and we played it a grand total of once.

It is one of those sort of long-form campaign games that's a pain to organize and get everyone in on. If you don't make it the thing you are playing exclusively, then it is kind of a bust. Given that only one person in the group playing is likely to actually own the thing it can be tough to actually get a group to buy-in on the concept of playing a psycho-sexual horror village building/monster-hunting boardgame where only one person in the group is likely to even remember what is going on from session to session. The rest of the group ends up just being along for the ride and that gets old quick.

It is definitely one of those things he regrets backing because of that (plus the wait times). It's one of those old-school KS super-projects that used to be all the rage writ large(r). It was huge, laden with bonuses and scope creep, it was such a good deal... that will sit in a corner gathering dust for most of the people that backed it. Everything trickled out so slowly that most people were done with the actual game part before most of it even got released.

Not a scam, but an abject lesson in why project management is an important skill and why KS backers need to beware of highly successful KS campaigns. Even when they succeed and deliver, there is an even chance that you saved money on a bunch of plastic you end up having no use for.

I'm glad I learned my lesson on these things after only a couple of mistakes, and those were ones that all fully delivered in a much more reasonable time-frame than KD:M.

So very, very well said!

A cautionary tale indeed.

It is a niche within a niche product to be sure - I've got a lot, never had a chance to open, play, etc. that I'd love to sell, but I don't think there's an actual market for it...

**chaos0xomega**

Personally I hope that they don't do another kickstarter ever again. They don't need to. Their monthly release cadence probably makes them more than enough money to fund operations and continued development.

**NAVARRO**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Personally I hope that they don't do another kickstarter ever again. They don't need to. Their monthly release cadence probably makes them more than enough money to fund operations and continued development.

I think that would be a problem for our grandchildren to resolve.

**chaos0xomega**

NAVARRO wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Personally I hope that they don't do another kickstarter ever again. They don't need to. Their monthly release cadence probably makes them more than enough money to fund operations and continued development.

I think that would be a problem for our grandchildren to resolve.

“A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.”

**Loopstah**

Black Knight arrived today. Didn't even get a dispatch notification.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Mine showed up too, which was nice

**BrookM**

I don't think future KS projects would ever be as successful or even fund after these ones.

**chaos0xomega**

You say that, but theres plenty of idiots out there that would still throw more money at Poots if he were to run another campaign, even knowing how poorly managed this campaign has been. I know, because I'm one of them.

**NAVARRO**

chaos0xomega wrote:
You say that, but theres plenty of idiots out there that would still throw more money at Poots if he were to run another campaign, even knowing how poorly managed this campaign has been. I know, because I'm one of them.

Brilliant this sums up perfectly all my engagement with the miniature world

Makes no sense but we do it everyday.

**Tannhauser42**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Personally I hope that they don't do another kickstarter ever again. They don't need to. Their monthly release cadence probably makes them more than enough money to fund operations and continued development.

Of course they won't do a Kickstarter. All the big boardgames are doing Gamefound now.

**ImAGeek**

Loopstah wrote:
Black Knight arrived today. Didn't even get a dispatch notification.

Mine too, was pretty surprised.

**Loopstah**

chaos0xomega wrote:
You say that, but theres plenty of idiots out there that would still throw more money at Poots if he were to run another campaign, even knowing how poorly managed this campaign has been. I know, because I'm one of them.

Similar to how everyone is frothing at the mouth for Legion Imperialis or The Old World despite GW doing the worst possible job of providing stock of miniatures. If you are into it, you're into it and damn the wait or cost.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Sign me up as another idiot.

Kingdom Death was the first, best, and greatest valued kickstarted I ever did. The second campaign as well.

My black knight shows up this weekend, just got started on painting Xell, and we have the new Butcher vignette about to drop in a matter of hours.

I'll be eating good for Kingdom Death content for a good while longer it seems.

**Manfred von Drakken**

Loopstah wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
You say that, but theres plenty of idiots out there that would still throw more money at Poots if he were to run another campaign, even knowing how poorly managed this campaign has been. I know, because I'm one of them.

Similar to how everyone is frothing at the mouth for Legion Imperialis or The Old World despite GW doing the worst possible job of providing stock of miniatures. If you are into it, you're into it and damn the wait or cost.

There's a difference between not being able to keep up with demand and not being able to keep up with your plan.

**ced1106**

NAVARRO wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
You say that, but theres plenty of idiots out there that would still throw more money at Poots if he were to run another campaign, even knowing how poorly managed this campaign has been. I know, because I'm one of them.

Brilliant this sums up perfectly all my engagement with the miniature world Makes no sense but we do it everyday.

Exactly. And I still have Reaper Bones I mini's to paint, haven't entirely removed the shrinkwrap from KDM, and still have D&L I boxes to paint.

And for games, I have a ton of games, not to mention campaigns untouched. I was going to replay some solo miniatures games (because I get to play with the mini's I painted!), then Gloomhaven: Crimson Scales came along, and now I'll be playing that for months, and am painting a batch of miniatures for that game.

Yeah, I get it that KDM is taking forever. But I'll White Knight that you should have seen that coming, with and entire Dakka thread of how Poots handled that Lantern whatever expansion. And I'll Grey Knight (: that I only went for the base game and Gambler's Chest, because that was the min/max for both $$$ and time.

Let's see... Gloomhaven miniatures coming in 2026 or later. I think I know of a game I can paint and play while waiting for those mini's to come in...