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Eric Dubay does not have any cogent arguments. What he does have are a pack of lies and gross misrepresentation.

There’s no working Flat Earth Model. At all. Oh there have been attempts, but they only ever “explain” one or two observations each. And even then they largely fail.

When it comes to Dubay “debunking” science, he’s got a whole bag of “nuh uh” and sod all else.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Eric Dubay does not have any cogent arguments. What he does have are a pack of lies and gross misrepresentation.

Ad hominem

There’s no working Flat Earth Model. At all. Oh there have been attempts, but they only ever “explain” one or two observations each. And even then they largely fail.

When it comes to Dubay “debunking” science, he’s got a whole bag of “nuh uh” and sod all else.

Read 'Flat earth FAQ' then we can talk, there's also an audiobook but its hugely inferior due to there not being scientific imagery to tell a thousand more words.
https://www.amazon.nl/Flat-Earth-FAQ-Eric-Dubay/dp/1365221768

You couldn't be more wrong about what you've said, theres atleast a hundred debunkings of the heliocentric model in there, all thorough and with mathematical calculation and logic.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Not only that but the idea that they can all work together and agree on that.

They can't get peace or sort out finances or anything; but they CAN hide aliens from everyone else.

How'd the worldwide lockdowns come to being again?


Sure they can hide things from the public, for instance.. try going to the antarctic as an individual explorer and find out that there are world-wide agreements between literally all country governments to prevent you from that at gunpoint.
But that doesn't mean they "hide aliens from outer space", just that they universally hide things from the public.

I mean aside from the cruise liners that you can book a holiday on; and the land holiday trips and the fact that you can visit as an individual.
The only treaties are the whole host that agree that no one will claim the land as territory to extra resources/project power over. Even those are mostly reliant on the fact that its a huge expanse way out of the way of most nations. The only people who say you can't go there are the people who have never been and who are mostly flat-eathers.

There are international agreements, and they take a lot of work to maintain. Heck locksdowns were a nightmare within countries let alone between them. From some adopting them early; to some late; to some not at all; to others only partially; to some where they went on too long etc... And that was just a few years; consider the massive weight of elements that would have to align to preserve an alien lie decades to over a century in operation.

 Overread wrote:
But doesn't a very large amount of the computing technology that you're using right now rely on stuff NASA researched, produced and said

tneva82 wrote:

Elaborate?

The computer you use requires extensive technology developed by NASA. Heck the TV signals and GPS systems rely on systems in space to function. Even if you don't own the computer and you don't have one at home, all the computing technology around you and which allows you to, you know, access the internet, is based on that technology. Not exclusively, but a huge amount of NASA research and development is in every day life around you. It's running trains and power systems; MRI scanners; car design; mobile phones; GPS; aircraft; TV;

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Overread wrote:
But doesn't a very large amount of the computing technology that you're using right now rely on stuff NASA researched, produced and said

Besides stuff like GPS, sattelite-based weather reporting and forecasting, satellite imaging of the earths surface and so on things like the popular .mp3 file format are the result of various space programs, and let's not even get started about material sciences and related fields.

I don't even listen to music, I have a guitar for that.. or used to make my own anyway (as an ex composer)
Music is at its core cymatic in- -formation, so it's best to be careful with that, just like with what you eat or drink.

Most material sciences are based on faulty presumptions easily disproven, take gravity for instance, while buoancy and density explains such affairs much better.
weather reporting was done with equal accuracy in ancient times, satellites float about on balloons and are generally limited. Why do you think Nasa is the number 1 buyer of helium in the world? GPS is simply a substitute to human in-telligence, like most digital tools are.. as noone had problems reading maps before, and when seafaring was concerned, that was a matter of life and death.

If you are going to argue that weather reporting hasn't improved over the last 20 years let alone the last 100 then I can't help but think that you've not paid all that much attention to it. Weather reporting, the ability to track storm development and more has improved a lot. Yes a lot of regular localised systems like barometers still work rather reliably at the local level; but they cannot predict dates to weeks in advance. Of course the further out you go the more difficult it becomes; however part of the limitation is not just comprehension of the systems but also the sheer scale of the planet and the computing power required. As computers have advanced the ability for models to model weather systems has improved dramatically. Some early models had whole countries just "vanish" in the modelling system because of the rough edges that had to be applied to the data to compress it down to something the computers of the day could process.

Again scientific advance has brought increased capacity and performance and that means better reliability of data and better predictability.

Also note that many of the materials theories taught at school are often gross simplifications to convey a concept. University level and such are often much different and the models and theories used are more precise because you're shifting to teaching the current theory not just teaching a concept to grasp an element of comprehension. Indeed many school level sciences stop making sense once you delve deep enough into a subject.

To add some points, NASA has not been the single largest buyer for since MRI machines (that usually use liquid Helium to cool) became widespread, and buoyancy/densitiy does not explain observable gravitational effects that even students can measure with torsion scales.

And i don't buy pseudo-arguments like 'GPS is a tool to replace intelligence' at all: that sounds mighty impressive, but actually just avoids the question alltogether.

 Overread wrote:

I mean aside from the cruise liners that you can book a holiday on; and the land holiday trips and the fact that you can visit as an individual.

Only on the inner strip of the antarctic ring you can "book flights", I mean, try to take your own boat there and be warned once and shot at second.

The only treaties are the whole host that agree that no one will claim the land as territory to extra resources/project power over. Even those are mostly reliant on the fact that its a huge expanse way out of the way of most nations. The only people who say you can't go there are the people who have never been and who are mostly flat-eathers.

there are multiple layers of treaties, among which a total ban on unauthorized entry.

There are international agreements, and they take a lot of work to maintain. Heck locksdowns were a nightmare within countries let alone between them. From some adopting them early; to some late; to some not at all; to others only partially; to some where they went on too long etc... And that was just a few years; consider the massive weight of elements that would have to align to preserve an alien lie decades to over a century in operation.

The lockdowns were no "work" considering all heads of all states were members of the WEF and the WEF already released a lockdown guide in 2010.

 Overread wrote:


The computer you use requires extensive technology developed by NASA. Heck the TV signals and GPS systems rely on systems in space to function. Even if you don't own the computer and you don't have one at home, all the computing technology around you and which allows you to, you know, access the internet, is based on that technology. Not exclusively, but a huge amount of NASA research and development is in every day life around you. It's running trains and power systems; MRI scanners; car design; mobile phones; GPS; aircraft; TV;

I own no TV nor GPS, Nor does my Laptop has it, computer tech has been developed by the military industrial complex, funded by blackrock, so is Nasa part of that construction yes, and I am well aware of that the computer age is created for a purpose (mainly; Adam2.0 which entails the (coicedentially ..or so' the dystopia of Wh40k) merging of man and machine into the virtual, a deeply religious endeavor to create "unity" with ain sof/ein soph(singular mind), and computing systems are but a stepping stone toward a conditioning, not a grassroots invention.)

I wouldn't use an MRI personally, I don't own a car, nor a mobile phone (and never will), nor do I travel by aircraft (I have before but refuse to now.)

If you are going to argue that weather reporting hasn't improved over the last 20 years let alone the last 100 then I can't help but think that you've not paid all that much attention to it. Weather reporting, the ability to track storm development and more has improved a lot.

I believe you mean storm-creating, not reporting. There are systems in place that pull and push in current to create storms, these are not expertly "predicted" by some kind of calculative systems.., at best they are tracked. https://www.bitchute.com/video/IeuWkAmeXQ8W/

Yes a lot of regular localised systems like barometers still work rather reliably at the local level; but they cannot predict dates to weeks in advance. Of course the further out you go the more difficult it becomes; however part of the limitation is not just comprehension of the systems but also the sheer scale of the planet and the computing power required. As computers have advanced the ability for models to model weather systems has improved dramatically. Some early models had whole countries just "vanish" in the modelling system because of the rough edges that had to be applied to the data to compress it down to something the computers of the day could process.

Computers can visualize to a model, they do not calculate predictions because that is simply unnecessary (as I've supplied in the previous link) it would be like using a computer to predict where your salt canister will be put, while it has its predestined canister holder destination already provided.

Again scientific advance has brought increased capacity and performance and that means better reliability of data and better predictability.

In truth it brought dependency and surrogation.

Also note that many of the materials theories taught at school are often gross simplifications to convey a concept. University level and such are often much different and the models and theories used are more precise because you're shifting to teaching the current theory not just teaching a concept to grasp an element of comprehension. Indeed many school level sciences stop making sense once you delve deep enough into a subject.

I personally find using mainstream education as an argument of value deeply flawed in importance. Education is not meant to convey reality but to conform to encryption and impose structured mass formation to a doctrine, in most cases built on pseudoscience and houses of cards. Even the biggest misconceptions can be made to look logical as long as you ignore its trembling foundation, a good example to that principle is the idea that there exists such a thing as contagion.

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Tsagualsa wrote:
To add some points, NASA has not been the single largest buyer for since MRI machines (that usually use liquid Helium to cool) became widespread, and buoyancy/densitiy does not explain observable gravitational effects that even students can measure with torsion scales.

And i don't buy pseudo-arguments like 'GPS is a tool to replace intelligence' at all: that sounds mighty impressive, but actually just avoids the question alltogether.

Being able to measure whatever movement of whichever source does not equate to proving gravity.

Also, MRI are contributed to by Nasa, so still tied, and considering Nasa's function is exactly in relation to the endgoal of transhumanism it is in a sense a mere daughter-corporation. Or did you think that MRI itself was a discovery?.. What MRI does, was already being applied in ancient Egypt. (I did have a source on that (detailed papers, not anekdotes) but its gone from google now.. what a suprise..)

Still, Nasa is STILL the single biggest buying of Helium;
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/helium-the-most-important-resource-no-one-is-talking-about-301484471.html
"Elon Musk's SpaceX alone is planning a total of 52 launches this year. And that's nothing compared to NASA, the single biggest buyer of helium. NASA consumes approximately 75 million cubic feet annually to cool liquid hydrogen and oxygen for rocket fuel. Between tech innovation, the future of energy, and the red-hot space race, the helium market is set to increase by 11% every year through 2037. "

Even though the content of that quote is itself a lie, considering Nasa doesn't "cool liquid hydrogen and oxygen for rocket fuel" but to lift up the balloons for Sattelites (which fly around the plane under one) and whatever shenanigans they film to fool the masses to their space-travel nonsense.
Remember all those newsreports of "the chinese spy balloon" ?

Yeah,.. that was a sattelite. A plane sattelite.

Anyway, most of the allopathic practice is psuedoscience funded by the Rockefellers in partnership with H.P. Morgan, all the allopathic hospitals built are funded by them and the education of doctors was overseen by them while anyone not agreeing with the allopathic practice lost their licence. They did the same in China for one, which was known for its traditional (fytotherapeutic) medicine.

A good book to read about that subject is; Ma Qiusha, To Change China: The Rockefeller Foundation's Century-long Journey in China, Guangxi Normal University Press, January 2013

Back in the day apothecaries had its own gardens with herbs for instance. That all changed too.. and to make treatment in hospitals more expensive, big surgeries were introduced alongside tougher homeopathics (principle of introducing poison to incite a bodily response correlating to it.), which prior were unnecessary if not counter productive but created a bigger and more active market in the hospital industry.
Do note that hospital comes from the Templar faction known as the Hospitallers and Treatment actually originally meant treating - the - mind.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:
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Do note that hospital comes from the Templar faction known as the Hospitallers

Nah, the name 'Hospital' comes from the ancient greeks and has the same roots as 'hospitiality' and 'hostel', and was once a more general term for places where people could find a place to get taken care of when they were travelling, sick or infirm in a general sense. It acquired its meaning as a place to care for the sick specifically sometime around the 3rd or 4th century. The Hospital in Jerusalem was founded on papal order in 603, to care for pilgrims to the Holy Land. From 1023 on, there was a monastic order of Benedictine monks who took care of all labours concerning the hospital. In 1113, after the first Crusade, it was expanded with a large Infirmary. In 1118, an organized militia was formed from the Order's members, which was practically the founding of the Knights Hospitaler, however, they only got their official regalia and installment as a knightly order in 1130.

Effectively, the Knights are named after the Hospital, not the other way around, and the word 'Hospital' at that time had it's current-day meaning for at least 500 years.

Also, the Knights HospitalLer are not a 'fraction' of the Knights Templar, and have never been one.

Ignore the troll, they are not arguing in good faith. Just wait out the two hours of internet they have before they go back to their aluminium lined bunker and remember, they aren't a conspiracy theorist despite believing that the entire scientific field has been lying about the world being a globe since ancient Greece.

Or did you think that MRI itself was a discovery?.. What MRI does, was already being applied in ancient Egypt. (I did have a source on that (detailed papers, not anekdotes) but its gone from google now.. what a suprise..)

"I have a source, trust me bro!"
I personally cannot wait for the source that demonstrates that the ancient egyptians were capable of manipulating quantum spin states. That is surely to have been written by a legitimate archaeologist who also has a background in quantum physics and not some crackpot with a sheet of paper they printed off at home after earning their diploma from Trump University. It also will surely have been printed in a legitimate scientific journal, and not one of the many pedlars of pseudoscience who print anything as long as you pay them.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Overread wrote:

I mean aside from the cruise liners that you can book a holiday on; and the land holiday trips and the fact that you can visit as an individual.

Only on the inner strip of the antarctic ring you can "book flights", I mean, try to take your own boat there and be warned once and shot at second.

The only treaties are the whole host that agree that no one will claim the land as territory to extra resources/project power over. Even those are mostly reliant on the fact that its a huge expanse way out of the way of most nations. The only people who say you can't go there are the people who have never been and who are mostly flat-eathers.

there are multiple layers of treaties, among which a total ban on unauthorized entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica

Again, you can go there. Yes you require a permission slip, but you can go there. You can even go to the South Pole.

In fact the article notes that the increase in tourism over the years is likely to result in new legislation to curb the potential damage to the ecosystem that larger scale tourism can create. Much in the same way the Pyramids have found the need to close access to prevent erosion from footfall.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Leopold Helveine wrote:
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Do note that hospital comes from the Templar faction known as the Hospitallers

Nah, the name 'Hospital' comes from the ancient greeks and has the same roots as 'hospitiality' and 'hostel', and was once a more general term for places where people could find a place to get taken care of when they were travelling, sick or infirm in a general sense. It acquired its meaning as a place to care for the sick specifically sometime around the 3rd or 4th century. The Hospital in Jerusalem was founded on papal order in 603, to care for pilgrims to the Holy Land. From 1023 on, there was a monastic order of Benedictine monks who took care of all labours concerning the hospital. In 1113, after the first Crusade, it was expanded with a large Infirmary. In 1118, an organized militia was formed from the Order's members, which was practically the founding of the Knights Hospitaler, however, they only got their official regalia and installment as a knightly order in 1130.

Effectively, the Knights are named after the Hospital, not the other way around, and the word 'Hospital' at that time had it's current-day meaning for at least 500 years.

Also, the Knights HospitalLer are not a 'fraction' of the Knights Templar, and have never been one.

Rockefeller named the hospital after the hospitallers, that's what I meant -in reference.
As an Etymologist I know what the origin of -the word- itself is obviously.

And yes the Knights-Hospitaller are not necessarily as what is generally depicted as Knights-Templar but they are still a templar-faction in their original purpose.
They originate of monestary dwellers originally, both. The Hospitallers though were a violent and murderous bunch and to be considered the military arm and the Templar as we know them are a split off faction originally meant to simply protect pilgrims.. that was demonized because of breaking with the catholic doctrine after they had uncovered the origin of the Iesu mythos in the so called "holy land" *cough* being that of the stoned to death Nozrim leader Yaakov HaTzadik also known as James the Just and took back his head (skull) with them portraying it as the "Idol" referred to as Mahumat which translates to "false idol", thereafter they were excommunicated and hunted down with accusation of "devil worship" (no misnomer considering devil means nature through the root of devolos being dia-bolos meaning ball-of-origin/light referring to the Sun which emenates ..yes.. nature.

Hospitallers were generally deployed against the Ottoman (for other reasons than actually getting rid of them, in fact it was about capturing land rather than being an actual threat, after which they built.. yeah.. -hospitals- on the territory prior having been a calm and prosperous town.)
After capturing this land, being Malta' they changed their name to 'the knights of Malta'.

But I'll keep it at that because this thread was about extra-terrestials (extra landers) anyway.


edit: typed Saracen out of habit, meant Ottoman, sorry.


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 Overread wrote:

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Overread wrote:

I mean aside from the cruise liners that you can book a holiday on; and the land holiday trips and the fact that you can visit as an individual.

Only on the inner strip of the antarctic ring you can "book flights", I mean, try to take your own boat there and be warned once and shot at second.

The only treaties are the whole host that agree that no one will claim the land as territory to extra resources/project power over. Even those are mostly reliant on the fact that its a huge expanse way out of the way of most nations. The only people who say you can't go there are the people who have never been and who are mostly flat-eathers.

there are multiple layers of treaties, among which a total ban on unauthorized entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica

Again, you can go there. Yes you require a permission slip, but you can go there. You can even go to the South Pole.

In fact the article notes that the increase in tourism over the years is likely to result in new legislation to curb the potential damage to the ecosystem that larger scale tourism can create. Much in the same way the Pyramids have found the need to close access to prevent erosion from footfall.

Going there through (controlled) tourist transport is irrelevant to the imposition of being warned and/or shot out of the water/sky if you -go there as an individual explorer-.
Also, how deep do these tourist transports go into the south, exactly.. barely.

Ever heard of Admiral Byrd? (Not that he told the entire truth, but that aside)

There's a lot more land -known- beyond that icering, and walking on the inner bit of it doesn't equate to exploring the entire region through. I know all the arguments "its too cold therefor too dangerous", this dangerousness never seems to be an issue when climbing the everest is concerned for some reason while you can use the incremental corpses on that mount as tourist attractions at this point.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Ignore the troll, they are not arguing in good faith. Just wait out the two hours of internet they have before they go back to their aluminium lined bunker and remember, they aren't a conspiracy theorist despite believing that the entire scientific field has been lying about the world being a globe since ancient Greece.

Or did you think that MRI itself was a discovery?.. What MRI does, was already being applied in ancient Egypt. (I did have a source on that (detailed papers, not anekdotes) but its gone from google now.. what a suprise..)

"I have a source, trust me bro!"
I personally cannot wait for the source that demonstrates that the ancient egyptians were capable of manipulating quantum spin states. That is surely to have been written by a legitimate archaeologist who also has a background in quantum physics and not some crackpot with a sheet of paper they printed off at home after earning their diploma from Trump University. It also will surely have been printed in a legitimate scientific journal, and not one of the many pedlars of pseudoscience who print anything as long as you pay them.

Here's someone who has never done due dilligence and fails to grasp that the ancient world exactly knew and -educated- that the world was a flat plane.
Do you know when suddenly this changed to the heliocentric model? When Jesuits at king's court astronomer professions imposed this.
A good example being China;
"In the 17th century, the idea of a spherical Earth spread in China due to the influence of the Jesuits, who held high positions as astronomers at the imperial court.[125] Matteo Ricci, in collaboration with Chinese cartographers and translator Li Zhizao, published the Kunyu Wanguo Quantu in 1602, the first Chinese world map based on European discoveries.[126] The astronomical and geographical treatise Gezhicao (格致草) written in 1648 by Xiong Mingyu (熊明遇) explained that the Earth was spherical, not flat or square, and could be circumnavigated.[125]"

If you want pseudoscience look no further than the oil-industry of the Rockefeller - Morgan enterprise injecting it straight into the arms of the gullible since hospitals were concieved, atleast it made them a lot of money. So it helped some people.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

Here's someone who has never done due dilligence and fails to grasp that the ancient world exactly knew and -educated- that the world was a flat plane.

You might want to tell Eratosthenes that, he calculated the circumference of the Earth in around 240BC. Or is it only the ancient people who happen to fit your particular crackpot worldview that we should believe had it right?
You also fail to understand how knowledge works. The Greeks "knew" you had to sacrifice a goat to Poseidon to ensure a safe voyage, yet that particular bit of knowledge doesn't seem to have been accurate, as we now sail across the Pacific every day without needing to sacrifice a single goat to the god of the sea.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

Here's someone who has never done due dilligence and fails to grasp that the ancient world exactly knew and -educated- that the world was a flat plane.

You might want to tell Eratosthenes that, he calculated the circumference of the Earth in around 240BC. Or is it only the ancient people who happen to fit your particular crackpot worldview that we should believe had it right?
You also fail to understand how knowledge works. The Greeks "knew" you had to sacrifice a goat to Poseidon to ensure a safe voyage, yet that particular bit of knowledge doesn't seem to have been accurate, as we now sail across the Pacific every day without needing to sacrifice a single goat to the god of the sea.

Let's just... not. Nothing good can come off of this sort of demented Gish gallop, every single sentence of these utterings takes multiple sentences to a few paragraphs to adequately and comprehensively explain not only that, but also why they're wrong, and in the meantime a new heap of bullshits has been spewed. There's no way to keep up with someone freestyling a best-of of the last 30 years of conspiracy nonsense, from the Rockefellers to NASA to Anshunt Eelians and whatnot.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

Here's someone who has never done due dilligence and fails to grasp that the ancient world exactly knew and -educated- that the world was a flat plane.

You might want to tell Eratosthenes that, he calculated the circumference of the Earth in around 240BC. Or is it only the ancient people who happen to fit your particular crackpot worldview that we should believe had it right?
You also fail to understand how knowledge works. The Greeks "knew" you had to sacrifice a goat to Poseidon to ensure a safe voyage, yet that particular bit of knowledge doesn't seem to have been accurate, as we now sail across the Pacific every day without needing to sacrifice a single goat to the god of the sea.

Let's just... not. Nothing good can come off of this sort of demented Gish gallop, every single sentence of these utterings takes multiple sentences to a few paragraphs to adequately and comprehensively explain not only that, but also why they're wrong, and in the meantime a new heap of bullshits has been spewed. There's no way to keep up with someone freestyling a best-of of the last 30 years of conspiracy nonsense, from the Rockefellers to NASA to Anshunt Eelians and whatnot.

I know, but sooner or later he's going let the mask slip and mention the Jews, and then maybe he'll get banned.

So, no we are not alone.

A Town Called Malus wrote: The Greeks "knew" you had to sacrifice a goat to Poseidon to ensure a safe voyage, yet that particular bit of knowledge doesn't seem to have been accurate, as we now sail across the Pacific every day without needing to sacrifice a single goat to the god of the sea.

Hahaha. Who’d….who’d do a silly thing like that.

Oh by the way, I’ve just put my industrial sized Goat farm up for sale.

Completely unrelatedly.

Using earth as a single data point we have proof things happen.

 Adeptekon wrote:
So, no we are not alone.

Something to share?

Just regurgitating the same old long debunked Flerf Claims.

Next it’ll be “do your own research”. By which they’ll mean “watch some ropey YouTube videos by people who don’t understand the science they’re saying is wrong, because reasons”.

As I said much earlier? Conspiracy Theories revolve on that. If something can’t be readily understood or broken down into simple terms, it must therefore be wrong. Because those invested in it can’t possibly, y’know, just be a bit thick or uneducated in that field.

And don’t forget. Any evidence which directly contradicts your pet conspiracy is just, y’know, fake. C. G. Eye. The Iloomyboobyboys. The Stone Cutters. Them.

Only evidence which you’re told supports your claim, however wild and demonstrably inaccurate that claim is, can be accepted uncritically. Even, especially, when it means you’re cherry picking from the wider scientific knowledge of our species.

And whatever you do? Remember to never, ever, ever, ever stop and think “hey wait. This would require a frankly vast number of people, across many fields, careers and stations of life, to be completely complicit, and not a single one has realised blowing the whistle would ensure vast wealth from media appearances alone. Not. One.

Let's just all agree that there's a crocodile headed god called Sobek who is the lord of semen.

The Ancient Egyptians knew it to be true, and that means it must absolutely be true as that is how knowledge works, the older it is the gooder it is. Like how smoking is totally good for you, bad air causes disease, you can tell someone is a witch by pricking them with a pin, projectiles do not follow ballistic arcs but actually move in straight lines, heavier objects fall faster than lighter objects, and so on. New evidence or discoveries? Nope, the first idea is what is true.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:
Only on the inner strip of the antarctic ring you can "book flights", I mean, try to take your own boat there and be warned once and shot at second.

https://iaato.org/visiting-antarctica/information-for-yachts/

"Each year, hundreds of visitors go to Antarctica onboard sailing or motor yachts to experience this unique ecosystem."

Probabilities provide for the possibility of whatever our imagination comes up with including those gods, Gods, or God you don't particularlly care for as being a thing.

He would have to travel to verify any of that.

And travel is what turns lions into sheep.

I'm just happy we have nice cosey place in the galactic countryside of the Orion-Cygnus arm.

 Adeptekon wrote:
I'm just happy we have nice cosey place in the galactic countryside of the Orion-Cygnus arm.

So long as no-one wants to build a bypass…

Statistically, I am pretty confident there is extraterrestrial life somewhere in the universe. Possibly even complex, intelligent life given the scales involved.

Going from that to alien UFOs over Earth is a massive, massive lengthening of the odds though. Those UFO sightings almost certainly have mundane earthly explanations.

Not sure what this has to do with MRIs etc. besides a conspiracy theory rabbit hole... As a public service announcement, please get an MRI scan if you are recommended one by a healthcare professional, they are superb scans for diagnostic purposes and very safe if you don't have magnetic-sensitive implants.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

 Overread wrote:
But doesn't a very large amount of the computing technology that you're using right now rely on stuff NASA researched, produced and said

Elaborate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

What has NASA done for us?

Computer technology
Structural analysis software
NASA software engineers have created thousands of computer programs over the decades equipped to design, test, and analyze stress, vibration, and acoustical properties of a broad assortment of aerospace parts and structures. The NASA Structural Analysis Program, or NASTRAN, is considered one of the most successful and widely used NASA software programs. It has been used to design everything from Cadillacs to roller coaster rides. Originally created for spacecraft design, it has been employed in a host of non-aerospace applications and is available to industry through NASA's Computer Software Management and Information Center (COSMIC). COSMIC maintains a library of computer programs from NASA and other government agencies and sells them at a fraction of the cost of developing a new program. NASA Structural Analysis Computer Software was inducted into the Space Foundation Space Technology Hall of Fame in 1988.[7][27][29][40][41][42]

Remotely controlled ovens
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NASA Visualization Explorer
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Quite wide-reaching, then.

Not to mention putting us on the Moon, getting a Lander or two on to Mars. Showing us many many beautiful pictures of our gorgeous big blue marble in the majesty of space.

What has Flerf given us? ThE bLaCk SwAn. A…15 Degree Per Hour Drift (RIP Bob Nodel) and of course Jeranism proving the curve then lying about his experiment.

 Leopold Helveine wrote:

And yes the Knights-Hospitaller are not necessarily as what is generally depicted as Knights-Templar but they are still a templar-faction in their original purpose.
They originate of monestary dwellers originally, both. The Hospitallers though were a violent and murderous bunch and to be considered the military arm and the Templar as we know them are a split off faction originally meant to simply protect pilgrims.. that was demonized because of breaking with the catholic doctrine after they had uncovered the origin of the Iesu mythos in the so called "holy land" *cough* being that of the stoned to death Nozrim leader Yaakov HaTzadik also known as James the Just and took back his head (skull) with them portraying it as the "Idol" referred to as Mahumat which translates to "false idol", thereafter they were excommunicated and hunted down with accusation of "devil worship" (no misnomer considering devil means nature through the root of devolos being dia-bolos meaning ball-of-origin/light referring to the Sun which emenates ..yes.. nature.

Hospitallers were generally deployed against the Ottoman (for other reasons than actually getting rid of them, in fact it was about capturing land rather than being an actual threat, after which they built.. yeah.. -hospitals- on the territory prior having been a calm and prosperous town.)
After capturing this land, being Malta' they changed their name to 'the knights of Malta'.

there is so much wrong here and stuff mixed up I don't even know were to start

first of all, Hospitaller are a branch within an order, specially those running the hospitals while during the crusades they also added military task to their duties
the 3 Knightly Orders we associate today with the Hospitallers are the Johanniter, Malteser and Deutschorden, as those 3 were the ones running hospitals during the early crusades and still do today (with others vanished over time) with Johanniter and Malteser originate from the same order but split in the early 15th century in a catholic and protestant order (both are still named order of st. john but as the catholic one had their headquarter in Malta they are referred to as order of Malta). So I guess you are referring to Johanniter and not Hispotaller in general as every catholic order had a hospitaller branch (and those were not the military arm but the nursing arm)

and there is no Templar faction, you mean military/knightly orders were the Templar were one of them same as the Johanniter, Deutschorden, Mercedarians, Lazarists, and so on. Templars were the first to combined the knightly oath with the oath of the monks and swore those oath in the temple of Jerusalem (hence their name)

they are not a split off faction but literal the first military order and the other orders who were present during the crusade build the military branch based on the Templar one as while they existed before they were pure nursing orders.
and none of those was successful with the military operations in the holy land, and non of them was "deployed" as there was no higher authority that could deploy them somewhere (they basically did what they wanted even fighting against each other for political influence) which was one reason why they left and became more famous as military arm in Europe as they were fighting along regular forces there were they had more success

and the Templars were dissolved because unlike the other large orders (Johanniter and Deutschorden) they did not build up their own realm in Europe and became a state within a state which brought them into direct conflict with the king of France who campaigned against them (after they refused him membership)

so overall, ignoring the "mythical" part, your timeline is off, you are mixing names/terms that should not be mixed and if you want to get such conspiracy theories around at least base it on historical facts and not just what hollywood thinks history was

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


You might want to tell Eratosthenes that, he calculated the circumference of the Earth in around 240BC. Or is it only the ancient people who happen to fit your particular crackpot worldview that we should believe had it right?
You also fail to understand how knowledge works. The Greeks "knew" you had to sacrifice a goat to Poseidon to ensure a safe voyage, yet that particular bit of knowledge doesn't seem to have been accurate, as we now sail across the Pacific every day without needing to sacrifice a single goat to the god of the sea.

Firstly, Poseidon isn't the god of the sea but of the earth, and at best 'of the abyss' (which is exactly why his trident carried over to the christian bastardized fantasy figure known as the devil, and why this devil is black or red, and its name actually comes from devolos which itself comes from dia-bolos which translates to ball-of-origin/light (the Sun). Poseidon is an aegean gender-swapped form of the earthly mother / the black queen also known as 'Danu' or 'Isis' and later was named Asherah or Astarte depending on the side of the Levant you walked around in, greatly demonized therein like the rest of Solar symbology it is related to as the "wife of" or alchemically speaking the womb of creation, seeded by the cymatic magnetism emitted by the Sun as what brings forth physical life (also demonized by religions as "fallen" and "filth" and that one should not be of it.. and rather seek for a world to come etc etc).

Now that that's out of the way, to return to the shape of the plane (while all these things are intertwined considering mythology itself is an encryption of the alchemical conditions, history and shape of the earth.) Most so called philosophers came from/studied under a certain faction. At the beginning of all things concerning the logos of our world there were two factions at one point in time inbetween warring and intermarriage.. for the sake of simplification let's call them the sincere and free and the insincere and enslaving. SF and IE. SF referring to Freyasfolk and the IE referring to Magi.
SF spake a language that could not lie without blushing and lead a self sufficient life, IE spake a language deviced to decieve and lived off the work of others. SF was a vast people spanning a great range who dispersed and became seperated into four groups after a cataclysmic sinking of land inbetween Ireland and the mainland coast (Frisia), these seperate peoples where henceforth the Gael among which the Frisii, now seperated by water.. the Gaul and the Danes further up..

Among the northmen were the Finns who were pursued by the IE and their children indoctrinated to religion, they became mercenaries and guardians of the IE all over the world, in Asia and in the Amaruca's. The Gael at the same time had their own microfactions that were lured into this "profession" of reknown and also joined into guardsmenship all over, often interwarring because of rivalry with the Danes, and sometimes allying and intermarrying.
At the same time there was another group that had once been a powerful sea-force from the age of the sea-kings (such as Tunis for one, later mythologized as nep tunis, meaning cousin tunis) that have also been mythologised as Fomorii in the Gaelic mythos (and greatly warped by for instance the Lebor Gabala written by christians much later) who were in actuality western sahara'n peoples that themselves came of a much vaster stretched out civilization known as the Kha's enveloping both the Nubians, Hatti and Dravidians all the way into the Indus valley. These peoples were driven out by the Gael/Frisii when they (The Gael mainly) founded Egypt and the Frisii founded the Indus Aryan age, sacked Kishkinthai and imposed the Veda's.
Around the same time the Hatti were driven out by the IE which had their base of operations in Akkad, under Anitta' founding the Hittites who then moved into Canaan and became Hittite Canaanites and lastly moved into Egypt and became Canaanite Hyksos (Apophis).

Apophis allied with the Nubians and fought mainly against the older Egyptian families (from the bloodline of King Scorpion II which was Gaelic founded, and fought the Nubians instead.)

At this time Babylon was being attacked by those who stayed behind in Hittite land, but they failed miserably, were utterly destroyed by Assur and a pincer made by the Aegean Frisians known as "Phrygians" (military arm of the sea peoples) and went under, later to come back to the surface as the Chaldeans.. this time actually managing to with the help of the Elamite King take it over completely, reuniting with their foundation; the akkadian IE.

The Sea peoples not being a single faction also warred against Egypt, while falling into fractions such as the Phoenicians (mercantile arm) and the Sha-danu (settlers, through Egypt) who became the tribe of Dan and the Philistines. Babylon then turned its leer toward Assur, but Assur had the providence of another party to have come to the table; the Caucasoid Gaul who had moved down from the Caucasus into Media and founded Persia. They there fought vigorously against the IE and this is mythologised as the "Ahzi Dahaka" folklore which refers to the vileness of the IE. Now, Wikipedia (being incorrect as usual) claims that "the Zoroastrians were the same as the IE (Magi)", while in reality.. they were opponents, as many scholars have established and I personally have validated and vindicated in my own decades long studies and documentaries.

The aforementioned tribe of Dan, along with Levite groups (egyptians who were grafted into the Atenist culture (atenism being an akkadian/hittite/canaanite form of the Taaru/Tharapitha/Thor culture which came with the Danes that were trading with Thuthmose III, practically hijacking it into a priesthood rather than a communal thing.., Thutmose, translated as djehuty moses or "david moses" means "born of thoth/david" and his royal scribe was called "djehuty" without an appendix meaning Thoth', which is moreof a scribal title than an actual name considering Thoth is the "god of writ".) went to Babylon aswell where they were united with the Median faction of the collective IE.

Then, a misjudged figure came to power, born in Media.. bolstering his power in Elam..
Median-Elamite king Cyrus, who came to the aid of the IE (Magi/Chaldeans) in Babylon, which were losing against Assur at this point in time.
He "freed" the aforementioned Danites and Levites to return to the Canaan.
Very well, that all behind us I'll explain why this could possibly in any way have to do with the shape of the earth..

Because the second group (IE) is a group that seeks to control language, language at the foundation of all our history being SYMBOL.. not writ.
Symbols used to convey the state of our earth and its history, but this group distorted it into a language of deception; writ.
This language of deception is the core of mythology. Mythology and its pantheon and its worship and relgions are a layer of ingenuity and incryption of alchemical principles, attributes and most importantly; meaning.
Meaning of alchemy is THE target of this group which I personally tend to simply call "the priestclass" considering it always moves itself as the authoritative clergy over whichever religion.

The meaning of alchemy is not a mystery itself, it is known and taught in Zoroastrianism (hugely misunderstood generally as a religion itself) in the following principle; Ahura Mazda (the supreme state of genuity, or just call it creator for what I care) emenated itself into the first light; Spenta Mainyu' in order to be able to judge genuity from ingenuity (bastardized into "right or wrong" later by people who don't grasp this subject), the supreme state of ingenuity being called Angra Mainyu (or Ahriman, not to be confused with Aryaman).

To translate this very important part; The absolute by its own will emenated itself into what we know as the -visible creator- being the SUN.. which from that point emenates into the abyss (womb/earthly mother/waters below) the cymatic magnetism (light/sound/frequency) which then' again -by the will of the absolute- created physical reality.

Now the version of the priestclass; The absolute is shattered into a thousand points of light, by whatever space-based mistake or tragic cataclysm.. and against its will is -trapped- into the "void" as in "darkness", its "body of light" fallen and enveloped in an opaque layer of filth (nogah or'lah) and this fallen demiurge (yaldabaoth) is keeping by its own ignorance everything stuck in physical reality, degrading incrementally the value of the light.

This is a hidden war behind all of our history, fought from the conception of the Sun up till today.. something nigh inconcievable to most..

The reason that the truth of our planar reality is ongoingly veiled and ridiculed is because there is an ancient conspiracy in this magi endeavor which endeavors the following principle; 'rectification of nature' (as in -fallen-nature-) translating into; a war against carbon (which is the building block of physical reality) and the Sun.
Now, one cannot possibly war against the Sun if the Sun is a gigantic mammoth of a thing in the depths of space, such a concept would be ridiculous.

One can however war against the Sun if the Sun is in truth much much smaller and moving in a set spiral pattern across our plane..

This is why the deception of the plane exists in the first place.
This Magi priestclass has been and is in overdrive working on the following; bringing into being ain sof/ein soph which translates to -singular mind- (transhumanism, the internet of things and bodies) to replace the natural world (equally incrementally) with a -kingdom of light- as in .. -the virtual-.. until most if not all ensnared in that.. are so demoralized about their own physicality that they care nothing about giving it up and that is quite visible in the world of today allready.

All virtual life is in essence -substitution- and -surrogation- of the natural world demonized ongoingly. It is also hardly still possible to use most of the symbols of nature, because many of those have been demonized aswell. Nature peoples have been hounded down and genocided, take the herbalists (demonized as witches) the druids (demonized as human sacrificers) and the amaruca's natives/indians (demonized as savages).. natural medicine has been outlawed from practice and its sciences ridiculed. Do you see the pattern?
Do note that Symbols are not merely memento mori.. they are also cymatically laden.. so the outlawing of certain shapes and symbols has much greater an impact on our world than one might think initially.. Telurric currents for one tend to converge in such cymatic patterns.
Also the colors of nature itself are ongoingly demonized and repurposed.. but I will conclude for now.. because knowing that this thread is supposed to be about extra-terrestials (as in extra-landers).. there is another layer to it.. which is hard to even get to when you try to explain the true history in relation to it.

Religion has its paradigm, in which most people are convinced without even realising that its part of it..

When you move away from that paradigm of religion(encryption of alchemical reality) there arise different potentialities.. I for one cannot possibly prove what lays behind the ice wall, and at best we have the moon map to give us an impression.. but that would never suffice for science..
Science demands exploration made impossible and until that is made possible we are left with speculation.

So at the end of all this.. all we can do is use Etymology and Symbology to get somewhat of an impression, Etymology for one also quickly teaches you that there was a specific point in time where language changed; the so called Pallas Athene group (Athene shakes her spear at the profane) which was lead by none other than Francis Bacon. That's a long story though.. I would rather not vanilla-type-down as I did all the above..

Kind regards regardless, wether you think of me lowly or not, all I just explained is a treasure trove for anyone that has the character to entertain thoughts not agreed with.

-Leopold Helveine.




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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not to mention putting us on the Moon, getting a Lander or two on to Mars. Showing us many many beautiful pictures of our gorgeous big blue marble in the majesty of space.

Yes showing you pictures that are CGI, there isn't a single "picture" of that "blue marble" that is an actual photograph you know.. even mr. blue marble himself said that it was photoshopped "because it has to be".

And putting us on the moon in a paper box with a single wrap of aluminium foil and some ducktape (officially admitted to have been its material), you believe that?.. Please explain why every single picture of the moonlanding is full of artifacts too.

Sorry man, but the moon landing is no different than believing in jesus.


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 kodos wrote:
there is so much wrong here and stuff mixed up I don't even know were to start

first of all, Hospitaller are a branch within an order, specially those running the hospitals while during the crusades they also added military task to their duties
the 3 Knightly Orders we associate today with the Hospitallers are the Johanniter, Malteser and Deutschorden, as those 3 were the ones running hospitals during the early crusades and still do today (with others vanished over time) with Johanniter and Malteser originate from the same order but split in the early 15th century in a catholic and protestant order (both are still named order of st. john but as the catholic one had their headquarter in Malta they are referred to as order of Malta). So I guess you are referring to Johanniter and not Hispotaller in general as every catholic order had a hospitaller branch (and those were not the military arm but the nursing arm)

and there is no Templar faction, you mean military/knightly orders were the Templar were one of them same as the Johanniter, Deutschorden, Mercedarians, Lazarists, and so on. Templars were the first to combined the knightly oath with the oath of the monks and swore those oath in the temple of Jerusalem (hence their name)

No I mean that they are a templar faction because they were in Jerusalem for a single purpose all and that was to protect the temple.

they are not a split off faction but literal the first military order and the other orders who were present during the crusade build the military branch based on the Templar one as while they existed before they were pure nursing orders.

the Knights Templar split off exactly as I described because they became "heretical" to the doctrine of the Catholic church.

and none of those was successful with the military operations in the holy land, and non of them was "deployed" as there was no higher authority that could deploy them somewhere (they basically did what they wanted even fighting against each other for political influence) which was one reason why they left and became more famous as military arm in Europe as they were fighting along regular forces there were they had more success and the Templars were dissolved because unlike the other large orders (Johanniter and Deutschorden) they did not build up their own realm in Europe and became a state within a state which brought them into direct conflict with the king of France who campaigned against them (after they refused him membership)

so overall, ignoring the "mythical" part, your timeline is off, you are mixing names/terms that should not be mixed and if you want to get such conspiracy theories around at least base it on historical facts and not just what hollywood thinks history was

There was no timeline mentioned in my explanation kept simple to not write a whole book like I almost did with the earlier post' this quote will probably get placed undernearth in when I click submit. Its not about timelines to begin with, its about the simple line -Rockefeller based his hospitals on the hospitallers', which is a statement that has nothing to do with the etymological origin of hospital preexisting or I would've said "the word hospital's etymology comes from the hospitallers' I didn't say that, I said that -that hospital came from the hospitallers.

That's a lot of words that don't actually offer any reasoning for why you believe the Earth is Flat, round, oblong nor indeed any shape. Other than you believe that a group of people believe in the Borg/Matrix and are engineering humanity toward that goal because reasons.

 Overread wrote:
That's a lot of words that don't actually offer any reasoning for why you believe the Earth is Flat, round, oblong nor indeed any shape. Other than you believe that a group of people believe in the Borg/Matrix and are engineering humanity toward that goal because reasons.

It does, however, explain succinctly why White Dwarf did not accept his article submission