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I hated the concept of the Predalien having facehugger capabilities. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Ugh, you guys have reminded me again of that awful movie.

Agreed, AvP aliens are closer to the Pumpkinhead end of the spectrum ... trading more on the reputation of the xenomorph than creating/bolstering that reputation.

I wonder if they will use some of the stranger Alien designs from stuff like AVP: Extinction, with stuff like Praetorians and Carrier Xenomorphs.

Did I dream it were there some aquatic aliens in the comics once?

It'd still be nice (for many people) to have more "types" of aliens, not just alternate poses of one type, though.

Edit: Whoops, ninja'ed... like 5 times

 edlowe wrote:
Did I dream it were there some aquatic aliens in the comics once?

They swim pretty well in Resurrection but they are not specifically shark-aliens or some such Kenner-inspired nonsense.

 RiTides wrote:
It'd still be nice (for many people) to have more "types" of aliens

Variety is not always a good thing. I'm sure someone out there would love for Prodos to make MLP versions but it's not really in keeping with the brand identity. That's an extreme example but it gives you, presumably a non-fan, a sense for the feelings involved here among fans. Now, I concede the brand in question is AVP rather than Alien or Aliens so those feelings specifically regarding this product may be a little misplace.

Knew I didnt dream it!


not that im asking for them tho!

Ugh!

There you go, RiTides. Obviously I don't need a MLP example in light of that ... thing.

I'm fairly sure the Alien's would be able to swim effectively without having to have an entire sub species.

If I remember correctly it was an entire ocean planet with some floating kelp farms. Tho I did read it in whsmith's when I was much younger!

 Imposter101 wrote:
I'm fairly sure the Alien's would be able to swim effectively without having to have an entire sub species.

You are correct:

 Imposter101 wrote:
You act like people only want one variant of the Alien in one pose and design. You can still have variety with posing, which is pretty much what the Aliens are made for, movement. Climbing down walls, pipes, out of vents, all sorts of stuff could be done with one sculpt alone.

You seemed to have missed it the first time (perhaps it was covered in alien goo on your screen) so I'll quote it here again...

 warboss wrote:
It's fine. I wouldn't worry about it. All the alien designs look pretty darn cool and the vast majority of even die hard fans won't confuse their dislike of an entire movie with dislike of a single design. I like the variety you'll be introducing to the aliens and look forward to hopefully some "dog" aliens as well. I don't care how "great" one design from a single movie is in a wargame as even a great design will look boring if you have to cut and paste the same exact thing (albeit with different poses) over and over again.

If I go in on this, I plan on making a wargame army out of the aliens. If they're making different types of aliens with presumably different stats (a logical assumption for a tabletop minis game), I want the minis to be recognizable as that unit/type/subspecies from a glance. I don't want to have them all be first "Alien" movie aliens and then have to specify that the guys on ledges are this where as the guys on the ground are that but the ones leaping are a third type. I'd rather have the "infants" be the hormugant-style young aliens with poorer stats where as the later crested head ridge AVP aliens be the more experienced/grown varients like Genestealers whereas the dog aliens (if they'll exist) are the superfast movers of the horde like gargoyles.

I doubt Prodos is catering to people who want to use their models for something besides playing an AVP game ... but we've already been over that. Now variety for the sake of the AVP game is another matter.

 Manchu wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
It'd still be nice (for many people) to have more "types" of aliens

Variety is not always a good thing. I'm sure someone out there would love for Prodos to make MLP versions but it's not really in keeping with the brand identity. That's an extreme example but it gives you, presumably a non-fan, a sense for the feelings involved here among fans. Now, I concede the brand in question is AVP rather than Alien or Aliens so those feelings specifically regarding this product may be a little misplace.

I'm with the last line, though- this is specifically "Alien vs Predator" so, on that note, it really isn't likely only to have the original Alien design, since the movie it's licensing came later... right?

 Manchu wrote:
I doubt Prodos is catering to people who want to use their models for something besides playing an AVP game ... but we've already been over that. Now variety for the sake of the AVP game is another matter.

But I need my Predorks!

And there should be Xenomorph variety.

Egg -> Facehugger -> Chestburster -> Warrior -> Queen -> Egg
etc

 Manchu wrote:
I doubt Prodos is catering to people who want to use their models for something besides playing an AVP game ... but we've already been over that. Now variety for the sake of the AVP game is another matter.

It was simply an example... unless you really think they're not going to have different stats for different looking models. I actually thought about putting in a disclaimer about that but ended up coming to the (wrong) conclusion that no one would just jump to the wrong conclusion about it. If the rules for the game are good, I'll use them in the game. If they suck, I'll use them else where. If some universal game gets big in my local area, I'll use them there as well. With a variety of alien subspecies, I can do that. With the same Alien1 design copy pasted into different poses, I can't. My existing aliens army has outlived the original game(s) they were meant for and I couldn't be any happier.



Prodos should make the best and most useful aliens they can for *THEIR* game. I simply think that a variety of types of aliens will help that significantly more than one monolithic human size species.

 RiTides wrote:
on that note, it really isn't likely only to have the original Alien design, since the movie it's licensing came later... right?

It's a bit confusing. The AVP movies did not distinguish between infants and mature aliens as Prodos seems to. Also, Prodos seems to be relying on James Cameron's views, which have nothing to do with AVP as I understand it.

I like the idea of the multiple Alien sub-species, but I do hope the other models follow the more traditional design. The current ones looks pretty poor over all, though I hope that they introduce more traditional designs into the game.

 warboss wrote:
It was simply an example... unless you really think they're not going to have different stats for different looking models

No clue what you are on about. I don't know where we disconnected but I agree with you here:

 warboss wrote:
Prodos should make the best and most useful aliens they can for *THEIR* game.

And not so much here:

 warboss wrote:
I simply think that a variety of types of aliens will help that significantly more than one monolithic human size species.

At least insofar as we're going with RiTides "variety can't be bad" approach. Two or three variants outside of what we saw in Aliens isn't terrible, depending on what they are.

Well, as a non-rabid fan of Aliens, I'm looking forward to whatever comes out here . I think it's a little similar to dealing with comic books- you can only please the hardcore fans so much, you've got to cater to the masses who honestly probably can't tell much difference between which alien came from which movie, etc.

You know, that's what Michael Bay said about Transformers. And while that approach may work with a bazillion dollar summertime popcorn movie I doubt it's quite as sound with a niche market like tabletop wargamers. On the other hand, wargamers have been dealing with miniatures that look far less like xenomorphs for a long time. What Prodos has shown already may not be perfect but it's better than previous similar products. But they do have the license so why not be totally accurate?

 Imposter101 wrote:
I like the idea of the multiple Alien sub-species, but I do hope the other models follow the more traditional design. The current ones looks pretty poor over all, though I hope that they introduce more traditional designs into the game.

poor? In what way? What do you consider traditional? They've already said smooth and textured heads are in.

I just want multipart xenomorphs and predas... the scale is irrelevant on those and multipart can cover pretty much anything.

Only thing I'm worried about is the material and how strong will it be for things like facehuggers and aliens tails or preda teeth etc.

I'm all for variety, any of it!

The humans I dont need those to be honest.

 RiTides wrote:
Well, as a non-rabid fan of Aliens, I'm looking forward to whatever comes out here . I think it's a little similar to dealing with comic books- you can only please the hardcore fans so much, you've got to cater to the masses who honestly probably can't tell much difference between which alien came from which movie, etc.

That is about right ;]

To be more specific we WILL have at leas one model from following sources:

Alien from Alien - Infant Warrior
Alien from Aliens - Warrior
Alien from Aliens 3- Stalker (in fact ,concept based on Alien vs Predator Arcade Game 1994)

More concept taken from:
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Aliens: Colonial Marines ;]
Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 Video Game 1999 and 2001
Predators Movie !!!!
Alien vs Predator Arcade Game

So quite a lot ;]

Suits me, as long as Kenner isn't on the list.

 Manchu wrote:
Suits me, as long as Kenner isn't on the list.

You mean you dont want a batlien?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Well, as a non-rabid fan of Aliens, I'm looking forward to whatever comes out here . I think it's a little similar to dealing with comic books- you can only please the hardcore fans so much, you've got to cater to the masses who honestly probably can't tell much difference between which alien came from which movie, etc.

That is about right ;]

To be more specific we WILL have at leas one model from following sources:

Alien from Alien - Infant Warrior
Alien from Aliens - Warrior
Alien from Aliens 3- Stalker (in fact ,concept based on Alien vs Predator Arcade Game 1994)

More concept taken from:
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Aliens: Colonial Marines ;]
Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 Video Game 1999 and 2001
Predators Movie !!!!
Alien vs Predator Arcade Game

So quite a lot ;]

That sounds like a very satisfying bit of variety!

So it looks like the two different types of Predator and the Predator hunting hound could be in this if they can use Predators as well.

primalexile wrote:
You mean you dont want a batlien?

I had one as a kid and even then I thought it was ridiculous.


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 DaveC wrote:
So it looks like the two different types of Predator and the Predator hunting hound could be in this if they can use Predators as well.

Imagine how tall the super preds will be.

Well, your gonna be making Alien sculpts from the Ailens movie so I will be pretty happy alongside the Marines