Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Imposter101**

gunslingerpro wrote:
Imposter101 wrote:
I like the idea of the multiple Alien sub-species, but I do hope the other models follow the more traditional design. The current ones looks pretty poor over all, though I hope that they introduce more traditional designs into the game.

poor? In what way? What do you consider traditional? They've already said smooth and textured heads are in.

The models shown look like generic stunted space aliens. They have a bannana shaped head and look way too organic.

**Ktulhut**

For those of you wanting a "dog" Alien, please direct your attention to this already released image:

**Azreal13**

Can't we all just agree we don't want this?!!

**happygolucky**

azreal13 wrote:

Can't we all just agree we don't want this?!!

Does that have a... men's happy place... in well... a woman's happy place... all on the same being? ya know whatever that pink stomach is...

**Ktulhut**

azreal13 wrote:

Can't we all just agree we don't want this?!!

Spoiler:

**Azreal13**

Just for clarity, the pic I posted is the hybrid from Resurrection, it has every possibility of being legitimately included.

Rather than get bogged down in the minutiae of the different iterations of warrior, let's all get behind making sure this doesn't happen,

**Manchu**

azreal13 wrote:
let's all get behind making sure this doesn't happen

Hear hear!

**Imposter101**

happygolucky wrote:
azreal13 wrote:

Can't we all just agree we don't want this?!!

Does that have a... men's happy place... in well... a woman's happy place... all on the same being? ya know whatever that pink stomach is...

This wasn't used in the final cut, it was deemed too graphic.

**Ktulhut**

OTOH, if they're not making named characters (yet), they won't be making the Newborn either (yet).

And the different types of Alien thing is hardly minutiae. Look at the difference between the Alien3/dog/runner Alien and the AvP/warrior Aliens that we've already seen. There is literally that big a difference between all the types of Alien (except for the first two who only have different heads/hands).

**Imposter101**

Ktulhut wrote:
OTOH, if they're not making named characters (yet), they won't be making the Newborn either (yet).

And the different types of Alien thing is hardly minutiae. Look at the difference between the Alien3/dog/runner Alien and the AvP/warrior Aliens that we've already seen. There is literally that big a difference between all the types of Alien (except for the first two who only have different heads/hands).

The species in the fourth movie weren't even pure Xenomorphs, they where genetically modified and cloned from mixed DNA. The only reason the torso and head look the same in Res and the first AVP film is because they used the same moulds to cut costs.

**Azreal13**

Ktulhut wrote:
OTOH, if they're not making named characters (yet), they won't be making the Newborn either (yet).

And the different types of Alien thing is hardly minutiae. Look at the difference between the Alien3/dog/runner Alien and the AvP/warrior Aliens that we've already seen. There is literally that big a difference between all the types of Alien (except for the first two who only have different heads/hands).

Mate, you're speaking as a fan, speaking as a layperson, who just quite enjoyed some of the movies, they ain't all that different.

That's why you can show a picture of any Alien from any movie to any person with a passing acquaintance with them and they'll go "ooh, that's an Alien from those movies"

**Manchu**

So is the argument that Prodos should make different kinds of xenomorphs because people who aren't fans won't notice the difference?

**Imposter101**

Manchu wrote:
So is the argument that Prodos should make different kinds of xenomorphs because people who aren't fans won't notice the difference?

That just sounds like the no true scotsman fallacy to me. I just want some badass Giger/Cameron Xenomorphs, and if they can do the Predators like that (and by that high detail sculpts) then I'm fairly sure they'd be able to do some of the more biomechnical elements of the xenomorphs in their later designs.

**Ktulhut**

azreal13 wrote:
Ktulhut wrote:
OTOH, if they're not making named characters (yet), they won't be making the Newborn either (yet).

And the different types of Alien thing is hardly minutiae. Look at the difference between the Alien3/dog/runner Alien and the AvP/warrior Aliens that we've already seen. There is literally that big a difference between all the types of Alien (except for the first two who only have different heads/hands).

Mate, you're speaking as a fan, speaking as a layperson, who just quite enjoyed some of the movies, they ain't all that different.

That's why you can show a picture of any Alien from any movie to any person with a passing acquaintance with them and they'll go "ooh, that's an Alien from those movies"

Broadly speaking yes, but since they've pretty much said they'll be making each type, it's moot anyway. I'm just saying that there are, in fact, easily noticeable differences between the designs. Even my dear old dad can tell that not all Aliens are created equal.

**Yonan**

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
To be more specific we WILL have at leas one model from following sources:

Spoiler:

Alien from Alien - Infant Warrior
Alien from Aliens - Warrior
Alien from Aliens 3- Stalker (in fact ,concept based on Alien vs Predator Arcade Game 1994)

More concept taken from:
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Aliens: Colonial Marines ;]
Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 Video Game 1999 and 2001
Predators Movie !!!!
Alien vs Predator Arcade Game

I endorse your choice of sources! Hope there's a big focus on the whole aliens / colonial marines thing. The latest PC game sounded pretty poorly done sadly, but I love that setting.

azreal13 wrote:

Mate, you're speaking as a fan, speaking as a layperson, who just quite enjoyed some of the movies, they ain't all that different.

I disagree wrt alien vs dog alien. Having only seen the first two movies before that (ie.l no comics etc.) I wasn't a huge fan, but on the spot it was very much "awesome, it takes on aspects of its host!". Alien 1 vs Aliens however yeah, I didn't know of the distinction. I like it now I've heard it though!

**Azreal13**

Manchu wrote:
So is the argument that Prodos should make different kinds of xenomorphs because people who aren't fans won't notice the difference?

No, they will obviously need different sorts in order to expand the game past the most basic starting point, but when the essence of every iteration is basically similar, with a few details changed, this discussion of which version is "better" when they all, to my casual inspection, look basically the same, just seems a bit daft.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Yonan wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
To be more specific we WILL have at leas one model from following sources:

Spoiler:

Alien from Alien - Infant Warrior
Alien from Aliens - Warrior
Alien from Aliens 3- Stalker (in fact ,concept based on Alien vs Predator Arcade Game 1994)

More concept taken from:
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Aliens: Colonial Marines ;]
Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 Video Game 1999 and 2001
Predators Movie !!!!
Alien vs Predator Arcade Game

I endorse your choice of sources! Hope there's a big focus on the whole aliens / colonial marines thing. The latest PC game sounded pretty poorly done sadly, but I love that setting.

Those aren't my words mate...

**RiTides**

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
RiTides wrote:
Well, as a non-rabid fan of Aliens, I'm looking forward to whatever comes out here . I think it's a little similar to dealing with comic books- you can only please the hardcore fans so much, you've got to cater to the masses who honestly probably can't tell much difference between which alien came from which movie, etc.

That is about right ;]

To be more specific we WILL have at leas one model from following sources:

Alien from Alien - Infant Warrior
Alien from Aliens - Warrior
Alien from Aliens 3- Stalker (in fact ,concept based on Alien vs Predator Arcade Game 1994)

More concept taken from:
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Aliens: Colonial Marines ;]
Alien vs Predator 1 and 2 Video Game 1999 and 2001
Predators Movie !!!!
Alien vs Predator Arcade Game

So quite a lot ;]

Fantastic, thanks

**Yonan**

azreal13 wrote:
Those aren't my words mate...

Messed up a double quote, check now ; p

**Azreal13**

Ooh, just thought, Facehuggers and Chestbursters!

**Ktulhut**

azreal13 wrote:
Ooh, just thought, Facehuggers and Chestbursters!

Here's hoping they make 'em, and that it's easy to stick 3-6 on a 40mm base. Even though ripper swarms are pants and keep getting worse with each codex, I want to do that simply for the aesthetics.

**Azreal13**

Yonan wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
Those aren't my words mate...

Messed up a double quote, check now ; p

Agreed, in direct comparison, there are obvious differences, which will allow Prodos to produce distinctly models for different unit types, but they all share an aesthetic which is instantly recognisable and a substantially part of all the variants.

**Earth Dragon**

I think the hardcore fans shouldn't be the only ones they cater too, most certainly in this case. There seems to be so many varied layers of where the lines are drawn of what the hardcores want, you aren't gonna please them all.

On the other hand, someone like myself is more likely to get a pack of aliens and have them around if you give me some bull aliens, warriors, dog aliens, a Queen, and so on because it's a nice variety. Just like I'd like a good mix of Predators, even if they have to take some liberty in making up some new stuff. The more static you make the Alien line, the less likely I will be tempted to buy into this.

**Warzone Resurrection**

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/10/28/further-avp-miniatures-information/
:

The game will be story driven. It is set between Alien and Aliens and takes inspiration primarily from the Alien and Predator films as opposed to the crossovers.
The initial release will be with a boxset ala Space Hulk. The initial boxset release will be before the end of 2013 with an initial expansion wave of up to a dozen new models planned for early 2014.
Prodos will be drawing in elements from the expanded universe so there will be plenty of different Alien/Predator/Colonial Marines/Civilian variants. Look out of an Alien from the old AvP Arcade Game!
The gameplay will be based off the Prodos Games engine used in their other game, Warzone Resurrection.
The game will support solo and multiplayer games. The initial boxset will come with a board for more contained focused play but there is also potential for further open combat.
There will be unique “hero” units.
The license does not include Prometheus.
Prodos will be showing off the game at various game conventions as well as a potential inaugural event to celebrate the release.

**Pacific**

Really happy with the miniature list - think this is obviously going to be a tough gig for Prodos, but it sounds like they are making an effort at least!

azreal13 wrote:
Ooh, just thought, Facehuggers and Chestbursters!

Definitely! There could be all kinds of interesting scenarios with their use, and I'm sure the designers can come up with a cool (but horrifying!) mechanic for their use..

**inqscott**

Okay, Lets get a date so it can go on my Christmas list.

**DaveC**

So definitely not a KS and out before Christmas good to know (and onto the Christmas list it goes

)

**edlowe**

All we need now is a price?

**Azreal13**

Well, the going rate for this sort of thing seems to be in the £50-75 bracket, I'd peg this at the higher end.

**Ktulhut**

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/10/28/further-avp-miniatures-information/
:

The game will be story driven. It is set between Alien and Aliens and takes inspiration primarily from the Alien and Predator films as opposed to the crossovers.
The initial release will be with a boxset ala Space Hulk. The initial boxset release will be before the end of 2013 with an initial expansion wave of up to a dozen new models planned for early 2014.
Prodos will be drawing in elements from the expanded universe so there will be plenty of different Alien/Predator/Colonial Marines/Civilian variants. Look out of an Alien from the old AvP Arcade Game!
The gameplay will be based off the Prodos Games engine used in their other game, Warzone Resurrection.
The game will support solo and multiplayer games. The initial boxset will come with a board for more contained focused play but there is also potential for further open combat.
There will be unique “hero” units.
The license does not include Prometheus.
Prodos will be showing off the game at various game conventions as well as a potential inaugural event to celebrate the release.

Excellent. Looking forward to seeing what Mr. Perry has written for you too. Too bad about not getting the Prometheus license though, I'd have loved some Engineer models.
Gotta say, I'm monitoring this thread, the one over at AvPG and your Facebook page. I've not been this excited for a miniatures release, ever. Keep the info coming guys!

**AgeOfEgos**

More open game = standard tabletop game? I was worried it would be too restrictive in SpaceHulk Aliens version--but this sounds promising (plus how would they capture the Predator feel)?