Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Manchu wrote:
ETA 8.11.2013?

In American 11/8/13

So is this a Prodos or CMoN run KS because the CMoN part could be a deal breaker for a lot of people but it was one way of getting a US based KS I guess.

Haha, thanks for the translation there ... this whole KS thing has me pretty confused. Looking forward to clarity on the 8th!

CMON are just doing US distribution, according to Life Invader.

CMON are going to help Prodos with distribution in NA and SA. In Europe and ROW Prodos will handle distribution. And Prodos will be manufacturing.

Good to hear that this a Prodos KS and not CMoN now off to cancel Mars Attacks.

@prodos, what time (uk) will you be launching?

 edlowe wrote:
@prodos, what time (uk) will you be launching?

TBC

I'm more curious about the 17 hours to extraction.

Argh.. I was really hoping this would happen later after the holidays. Oh well, games like this are why god invented credit cards

Prodos wrote:
17 hours to extraction...

A date. a date, finally a date! I don't feel teased anymore.

17 hours to extraction? B...b...but that's not Friday?

 Medium of Death wrote:
17 hours to extraction? B...b...but that's not Friday?

Apparently Prodos forgot how to use a calendar or they forgot that they delayed the "announcement" of a future announcement from Friday to Monday.

Surely the '17 hours' is a reference to Hudsons line in Aliens? If i am remembering it correctly.

It's days. 17 days 'til extraction. He then goes on to say that they wont last 17 hours.

Also I'd be interested to know what direction Prodos plan on taking the Predalien if they have been told to change the design.

Yeah that's an Aliens reference.


What's the apprehension with CMON? That actually makes me feel better about distribution.

Well, at least with CMoN this will be one they can put up with a USD price tag and cheap North American shipping (which was actually a major complaint for many during the Warzone campaign). And with USD campaigns doing better than GBP it should do fairly well.

I am leery of CMoN, but if they are just running distribution, then I can look the other way for the guys who brought Warzone back.

Here's hoping I have money to spare for something from this. But I am still stretched a bit thin from the summer rush. Can't wait to see more.

Oh man, and I have the DCM Forge World order in already. This is going to be a kickstarter? I better find those funds somewhere.

Prodos, what does "in association with CMoN" mean? They're going to be publishing? They're going to be distributing? Just dealing with money? Inquiring minds and all that...

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Prodos, what does "in association with CMoN" mean? They're going to be publishing? They're going to be distributing? Just dealing with money? Inquiring minds and all that...

Oh come on now. The answer is on the same page as your question!

Prodos wrote:
CMON are going to help Prodos with distribution in NA and SA. In Europe and ROW Prodos will handle distribution. And Prodos will be manufacturing.

CMON did well on Zombicide for Guillotine Games. I suspect they will do will on this too.

Having paid for the shipping on Warzone, US distribution is going to be a huge boon!

The CMON involvement may offput some, but that gives me hope of quick delivery.

As long as the material question is settled out of the gate, and actual pictures are shown of actual miniatures using said materials, all will be well!

And since Prodos is handling the production, I think most of those questions have already been answered?

 Manchu wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Prodos, what does "in association with CMoN" mean? They're going to be publishing? They're going to be distributing? Just dealing with money? Inquiring minds and all that...

Oh come on now. The answer is on the same page as your question!

Prodos wrote:
CMON are going to help Prodos with distribution in NA and SA. In Europe and ROW Prodos will handle distribution. And Prodos will be manufacturing.

My bad, poor scanning abilities. Thanks, though.

Well, this will be fun to watch take off

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
Yeah that's an Aliens reference.


What's the apprehension with CMON? That actually makes me feel better about distribution.

CMON has pretty much taken using ks projects as sales platforms to mixed results. They have a.... rep.

I really do hate them, but the game here is really putting a hesitation on the hate.

Don't understand some of the talk about the sideways way in which they want to use KS AND send out the game on its own. That's using KS as a... sales platform.

I just want the game, why not let this one sell itself and call it a success? Not that there wouldn't be a serious market hard one for it.

KS? Why?


Double stuffed orkcon is missing here.

Actually, I think most of those who have issues with CMoN tend to be thinking back to the days of New Wave Games (ironically, they misplaced a bunch of Mutant Chronicles/Warzone stuff I had ordered prior to them going up). Some people likely dislike 'em for being behind umpteen different KS campaigns in one way or another. But the initial ill will is from their connection to New Wave Games and its checkered past.

But since Prodos is handling all the nitty gritty and CMoN is basically just making sure it gets to the Americas, I can feel confident about that.

As for material questions and production shots (since Alpharius mentioned it), Prodos were awesome with that during the Kickstarter. They may not have won awards for photography, but they always put up a lot of production photos of actual minis once they had them ready to go. The greyish/blueish stuff is their house resin mix used in Warzone. If you see any deep blue minis in their photos those are (I believe) masters. I'm largely certain we wont be seeing hard plastic on this one considering the time they have, though the material they are using has been fairly well received and QA issues have been fairly low. A few problems with thin pieces (which is more of an issue with sculpting and something they seem to have improved on over time) and only one post I know of complaining about the quality. Which seemed to be a case of a bad batch of minis that got through QA (happens to everyone). So no real worries on that end, we already know the stuff isn't original recipe restic or finecast.

As a first showing for a brand new company, Prodos did an excellent job with Warzone despite a few hiccups and setbacks along the way. I have little doubt their second endeavour will be even better.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Actually, I think most of those who have issues with CMoN tend to be thinking back to the days of New Wave Games (ironically, they misplaced a bunch of Mutant Chronicles/Warzone stuff I had ordered prior to them going up). Some people likely dislike 'em for being behind umpteen different KS campaigns in one way or another. But the initial ill will is from their connection to New Wave Games and its checkered past.

Isn't CMON the publisher behind the troubled Relic Knights and Sedition Wars kickstarters? If so, I suspect a whole new generation of gamers dislike them for their involvement with those (whether or not they were directly responsible).

Good point, though I couldn't remember how much input CMoN had on those, so it may be down to the actual creators in those case. All I know is that the guy in charge of CMoN owes me for some Mutant Chronicles RPG supplements that never reached my doorstep.

Which reminds me, Mophidius are going to be doing the Mutant Chronicles 3E KS soon. Man, I guess I don't need to eat that much.



Either way, Prodos are only 5-6 months out from their initial estimate on Warzone (which is never going to be accurate, since it is made before stretch goals happen) which puts them fairly well on track in my eyes. I don't think they'll have many issues unless CMoN the bed on the distribution side of things (though I can find Zombicide in my Podunk LGS, so they may have a good handle on that). Since CMoN's part in this is relatively minor and I have good experiences with Prodos, I'm pretty confident on this one (unless we start hitting $1mil or more, then all bets are off). But if they set it up with the boxed game being like Wave 1 then they should be able to mitigate added-stuff-itis when stretch goals start coming out. If they are doing a retail-only version, then they can even mitigate scope-creep from the KS and make all those folks who like doing the retail thing happy. Should work out well, I hope.

for me, CMON is a great site, and an amazing store, but then i never got burned by New Wave...
i actually got what i ordered from them, back in the day...

since they reinvented themselves, and became CMON, they have always completed my orders, with no hassles...

the site itself has some amazing artists in the gallery, and the forums have some really great people...

i understand the new dislike for them with all of the Kickstarters, which have had a couple serious delays and problems...
if i were a Sedition Wars backer, or a Relic Knights backer, i would be pretty upset, too...

the point is, they are not scammers, and are completely legit, in my experience...

since they are only distributing, i think that the savings on shipping for North America is a good thing, and not something to worry about in the same vein as the SW and RK delays and issues...
seems like a good move...

cheers
jah