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It sounds like some people mostly don't like cmon... mostly.

 Necros wrote:
It sounds like some people mostly don't like cmon... mostly.

Oh dear Lord Jesus, this ain't happening, man... This can't be happening, man! This isn't happening!

I to do not want to put anything more into CMON's coffers, even if they have nothing to do with me living in England. Will have a serious look at this project and then decide. BUT this is the wrong time of the year for me I'm afraid, I'm already struggling to find funds for the Battlesystems KS!

 Kroothawk wrote:
Will there be an AvP box available in retail before Christmas 2013?

I'd also like to see that clarified.

Man this will be some hard weeks to come.
I only have the money to back 2 projects and I know i will stay in Total Extinction (one of the few non "pre-Order" KS).
Journey is in the same boat but it's a coop game and in my experience, it will never be played with my gaming groups... so Journey or AvP.
Do i really want to give Cmon more Money?I think it depends on the game AvP wants to be...(really what is this? A coop game ....versus, skirmish TT!?)

+1 on december shipping

Man, between this, Shadows of Brimstone, the GnG battle boards, and possibly the Hero Quest re-release I think I'm going to have to make some seriously tough choices in the next month or so.

I'm Prodos. Prodos Games. I work for the company [CMON]. But don't let that fool you, I'm really an okay guy.......

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
I'm Prodos. Prodos Games. I work for the company [CMON]. But don't let that fool you, I'm really an okay guy.......

That's probably...unnecessary.

These guys took the time and trouble to sort out the biggest single KS complaint (overseas shipping/customs) and this is how they are rewarded? Wow.

I have my issues with New Wave/CMoN too, but Prodos is taking unearned gak here, in my opinion.

~Eric

It's also pretty amazing how this thread has gotten so much attention. Looks like this line could be a huge hit for them, if they do it well!

I agree that having CMON distribute their US rewards isn't too big of a deal. It might have swayed me away if I was on the line, but I'm likely just an interested observer on this anyway- too many Kickstarters and I already have aliens coming from trollforged someday

Honestly, considering how successful most CMoN-related/touched campaigns tend to be, I don't think it will harm them at all, especially considering the property we're talking about.

It also opens them up to wider exposure on gaming news sites (something Warzone had less of).

They may lose a few folks with bad blood to CMoN, but the amount of people they gain just by popping them on as distributors (with all of the upsides that brings) will likely outweigh that. And since CMoN wont be touching the game itself outside of putting it on shelves there are likely to be less hold-ups in terms of production.

But having a NA partner with a string of very successful KS campaigns is probably doing more good than bad. So I wouldn't let the ranting of a bunch of grognards (and I include myself since I did my share of kvetching over it ) mean too much in the long run. Some of us just have memories too long for our own good. But in the end, the good will I have for Prodos easily outweighs my feelings about the previous owner of NWG. I'll be interested to see what the possibility of USD mixed with cheaper shipping on this side of the pond (mixed with having access to CMoN's advertising network) will do for this one.

I would love to hear whether we will be seeing the retail box on shelves around Christmas though. It would certainly make a nice something something to hint about to the wife.

If CMON is the american distributor only will it be running via the CMON $ KS account

(where CMON would end up being the only one able to send out updates etc)

or via the Prodos £ account ?

from what they've said I'd be more inclined to guessed the latter

Produs account. CMON won't have any involvement except distribution.

That's a shame. KSes in USD typically earn more than those in GBP.

Glad to hear CMON is handling the North American distribution.

Here's hoping for favourable shipping then!

I don't think the end result of involving CMON will be negative in terms of the final pledged amount. There are enough general scifi fans that will pledge based on the strength of the underlying IP who will be ignorant of any past CMON issues to make up for the "hardcore" minis kickstarter backers soured on CMON. I'm aware of the issues that commonly plague CMON KS (and minis KS in general) but I'll still likely pledge if the value compared with retail is there. This is blatantly just a pre-order mechanic (stating the obvious, not making a judgement call on the "morality" of using crowdfunding for it) so I'll treat it as such and determine the worth of it based on the discount. If the value is there compared with retail, I'll pledge directly with them; otherwise, I'll just buy it locally. I've never been burned by CMON but I did have some moderately annoying experiences with the previous incarnation of New Wave (my shortest order time was 3 weeks and my longest was over 2 months till delivery).

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Honestly, considering how successful most CMoN-related/touched campaigns tend to be, I don't think it will harm them at all, especially considering the property we're talking about.

It also opens them up to wider exposure on gaming news sites (something Warzone had less of).

They may lose a few folks with bad blood to CMoN, but the amount of people they gain just by popping them on as distributors (with all of the upsides that brings) will likely outweigh that. And since CMoN wont be touching the game itself outside of putting it on shelves there are likely to be less hold-ups in terms of production.

But having a NA partner with a string of very successful KS campaigns is probably doing more good than bad. So I wouldn't let the ranting of a bunch of grognards (and I include myself since I did my share of kvetching over it ) mean too much in the long run. Some of us just have memories too long for our own good.

The CMon bad blood generated with sedition wars and zombicide is a recent issue that's still on going so I don't think it's "long term grognard memory" unless you expect gamers to have a 5 second momeory akin to goldfish. Referring to the issues with Wave or whatever they used to be yeah that's rather old news, but CMon still has plentyof recent and current issues related to their Kickstarters that have gotten people more than a bit POed at them.

They've been delivering on the goods that were promised in the kickstarters but the delays, communication, and quality issues are what people are upset about.

How are people going to buy this locally in the US?

I'm not aware of any of my local FLGS' using CMON as a distributor. They all stick to "real" distributors, GW and Battlefront. Or that's what they admit to anyway.

I'm sure if they want distributors like Diamond, et al will want to sell "Aliens vs Predator" stuff though. But if they don't get into that distribution chain I won't see it on the shelves at the three FLGS' I go to.

I think they've got some nice miniatures but I can't play the Kickstarter game until after Xmas.

 Consul Scipio wrote:
How are people going to buy this locally in the US?

I'm not aware of any of my local FLGS' using CMON as a distributor. They all stick to "real" distributors, GW and Battlefront. Or that's what they admit to anyway.

I'm sure if they want distributors like Diamond, et al will want to sell "Aliens vs Predator" stuff though. But if they don't get into that distribution chain I won't see it on the shelves at the three FLGS' I go to.

I think they've got some nice miniatures but I can't play the Kickstarter game until after Xmas.

Doesn't CMON have exclusive distributor rights to several games beyond just kickstarter offerings? I'm not sure but Dark Ages and/or Malifaux come to mind.

 paulson games wrote:

unless you expect gamers to have a 5 second momeory akin to goldfish.

That's actually a myth:

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/goldfish-memory-minimyth.htm

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/02/18/1203190696599.html

Reason for posting?

To get you guys to lighten up a bit...!

Jesus.... nerds and internet arguing...let's have another round of "what angle do the Millennium Falcon's mandibles cant inwards?"

http://www.therpf.com/f11/fm-1-72-millennium-falcon-mandible-surgery-159331/

@yxalitis: Thanks for your enlightening critical appraisal. But heads up, this is actually a site dedicated to discussing war games.

hi there, just to confirm, at this stage, CMON will only be used as distributor of KS orders only (mainly to make sure that backers wont have to pay custom charges).

KS is Prodos owned, not CMON, in £ as we are based in UK.


I don't see any problem to ship product via other channels than CMON if Backer wish so. In this case some custom fees might be applicable.

Any news on a start time yet? and given it's priced in £ what's the "sweet spot" likely to cost. Thanks for any info you can give.

Can we please quit pretending there are any actual "issues" with Zombicide 2? There aren't. Just a bunch of pissy people that shipping 9000 copies of a game, all with unique orders, is taking longer than they want it to.

And they've made it clear: CMoN is only responsible for shipping. So any missed deadlines made by the game designers like with Relic Knights is on prodos and not CMoN, though I'm sure we'll find a way to blame them regardless.

Welp, got me a copy of the 6 disc Alien Blu Ray Anthology incoming for an absolute bargain price, and will probably pick up the Predator Trilogy set next week.

Even if I end up unable to back it, so close to Xmas, it has at least inspired me to upgrade my blu ray collection!

Good point Azreal. I have all of the above lying around here too, a marathon session could be on the books! Might have to keep the fast forward handy for Resurrection and the AvP's though ; p

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
hi there, just to confirm, at this stage, CMON will only be used as distributor of KS orders only (mainly to make sure that backers wont have to pay custom charges).

Do you answer any question in this thread with "CMON is just a distributor"? Even the ones about the retail release date of the starter box?
This is getting weird.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
hi there, just to confirm, at this stage, CMON will only be used as distributor of KS orders only (mainly to make sure that backers wont have to pay custom charges).

Do you answer any question in this thread with "CMON is just a distributor"? Even the ones about the retail release date of the starter box?
This is getting weird.

May/June for retail box + add ons , and yes, "CMON is just a distributor" ... for Kickstarter orders only ;}

So, both releases are released in June, then?

 Manchu wrote:
@yxalitis: Thanks for your enlightening critical appraisal. But heads up, this is actually a site dedicated to discussing war games.

*waves hand dismissively

that's OK, buy me a drink sometime.

So this gets released in Summer 2014?

Fantastic. Wake me then...