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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
hi there, just to confirm, at this stage, CMON will only be used as distributor of KS orders only (mainly to make sure that backers wont have to pay custom charges).

Do you answer any question in this thread with "CMON is just a distributor"? Even the ones about the retail release date of the starter box?
This is getting weird.

May/June for retail box + add ons , and yes, "CMON is just a distributor" ... for Kickstarter orders only ;}

Good to finally get a time frame for the release. Thanks.

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
I'm Prodos. Prodos Games. I work for the company [CMON]. But don't let that fool you, I'm really an okay guy.......

Lets hope no one gets fethed over for a goddamn percentage.

If nothing else I am loving the aliens quotes in this thread.

I sincerely hope the kickstarter has a pledge level with loads of minis called "they're coming out of the god damn walls!"

 Medium of Death wrote:
So this gets released in Summer 2014?

Fantastic. Wake me then...

Well, he said "May/June 2014", so hopefully before Christmas 2014, if we're lucky. No chance of it actually being on time. I don't know why they bother even attempting to pretend there'll be a 6-month timeline.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/10/28/further-avp-miniatures-information/
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The game will be story driven. It is set between Alien and Aliens and takes inspiration primarily from the Alien and Predator films as opposed to the crossovers.
The initial release will be with a boxset ala Space Hulk. The initial boxset release will be before the end of 2013 with an initial expansion wave of up to a dozen new models planned for early 2014.
Prodos will be drawing in elements from the expanded universe so there will be plenty of different Alien/Predator/Colonial Marines/Civilian variants. Look out of an Alien from the old AvP Arcade Game!
The gameplay will be based off the Prodos Games engine used in their other game, Warzone Resurrection.
The game will support solo and multiplayer games. The initial boxset will come with a board for more contained focused play but there is also potential for further open combat.
There will be unique “hero” units.
The license does not include Prometheus.
Prodos will be showing off the game at various game conventions as well as a potential inaugural event to celebrate the release.

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
May/June for retail box + add ons , and yes, "CMON is just a distributor" ... for Kickstarter orders only ;}

Less than two weeks ago Prodos said the game would be released this year. I was rather surprised, as I thought that it was a fast launch. Now they are saying mid 2014. The comment about the 2013 release was really dumb on their part.

I guess this project is going to be much more successful than they thought. I bet they are really regretting using resin at this point. You want plastic injection machines producing boatloads of this stuff, rather than people fiddling with resin molds.

I imagine the Christmas 2013 comment was a miscommunication - they meant the Kickstarter would end before Christmas, not that the game would be released to retail then.

Gotta admit it's going to be hard to stay away from this one, especially now I've invested in terrain that just begs to have this game played on it ....

biggusdoggus wrote:
Gotta admit it's going to be hard to stay away from this one, especially now I've invested in terrain that just begs to have this game played on it ....

Did you invest in this terrain? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-sci-fi-modular-terrain

absolutely. I'm in for it to use for Sedition Wars, Necromunda, and Space Hulk/40k CoD, but it's so versatile there's a list as long as your arm of games that could be played, and anything remotely along the lines of the Alien franchise is a positive shoe-in.

That modular terrain is absolutely stunning.

Assuming I back AvP i'll have to pick that up aswell.

Toying with ducking out of MA atm

I'm also backing the battle systems kickstarter, and I'm hoping that the onset of the AVP KS will feed it new pledgers, and vice-versa. There are some KS campaigns that feel justifiably nervous about the launch of AVP, but the AVP and Battle Systems campaigns complement each other to a remarkable degree. If I were Prodos / Battle Systems, I'd set up some cross-promotion photo shots.

Horrible thought - Battle Systems terrain - with edited graphics to represent the "secreted resin" stuff from aliens. Would have to get at least a set of that too ; p

Right - backed that modular Terrain to keep me informed on updates.

It's all reliant on how big a game AVP takes up space wise now (& if it's any good) 2x2 maybe 3x3 would be ideal.

vs if Mars Attacks can hold my interest.

Got balance concerns for MA which is why I'm sort of looking at this now

Ala. Martians look more fun to play which won't make for as fun a game as the 2nd player.

Gerinako wrote:
Got balance concerns for MA which is why I'm sort of looking at this now

Ala. Martians look more fun to play which won't make for as fun a game as the 2nd player.

MA is still what, 9 months out? Plenty of time for balancing.

Not balance as in game play

balance as in fun for both parties

Martians look overloaded on fun toys humans not so much

Gerinako wrote:
Not balance as in game play

balance as in fun for both parties

Martians look overloaded on fun toys humans not so much

Humans get a ton of special characters though...

Still no - it's clearly not hitting my fun bone atm so no point trying to make it.
I'll still give it till the last day though.

AVP / Battlesystems just in my head has so much more potential win to it for me.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
So this gets released in Summer 2014?

Fantastic. Wake me then...

Well, he said "May/June 2014", so hopefully before Christmas 2014, if we're lucky. No chance of it actually being on time. I don't know why they bother even attempting to pretend there'll be a 6-month timeline.

hmm, why so sceptic? ;]

We have commitment to FOX that the game will be out mid next year, if we get for Salute 2014 that is a bonus.

Let mi give you some insight how Prodos operates: 250 different models designed, posed, manufactured in 7 months, 6 fully playable faction with range of 12-14 different units, each with unique rule set, 450 unique cards design in 7 months, 300 page top quality book in 7 months,
to translate this blood and tears to what we want initially for AvP, (with approx range of 20% of Warzone) and taking in consideration that starter models are made... the May should not be any problem.

Oh yes, do this right and it will be a glorious example of how preparing for a KS should go.

 BrookM wrote:
Oh yes, do this right and it will be a glorious example of how preparing for a KS should go.

Pfft... Palladium got $1.4 million for Robotech and were 90% done prior to the kickstarter! Now 6 months later, they still haven't finished that last 10%, refuse to post any proof of real progress, and just delayed the kickstarter delivery for the first of likely many times... Ok, maybe they're a better example of how *not* to do it. :(

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
So this gets released in Summer 2014?

Fantastic. Wake me then...

Well, he said "May/June 2014", so hopefully before Christmas 2014, if we're lucky. No chance of it actually being on time. I don't know why they bother even attempting to pretend there'll be a 6-month timeline.

hmm, why so sceptic? ;]

We have commitment to FOX that the game will be out mid next year, if we get for Salute 2014 that is a bonus.

Let mi give you some insides how Prodos operates: 250 different models designed, posed, manufactured in 7 months, 6 fully playable faction with range of 12-14 different units, each with unique rule set, 450 unique cards design in 7 months, 300 page top quality book in 7 months,
to translate this blood and tears to what we want initially for AvP, (with approx range of 20% of Warzone) and taking in consideration that starter models are made... the May should not be any problem.

I LOVE when a company parts the veil, and gives us a peek at their inner-workings.... especially when it helps factually shut-down some hate. ;-)

Prodos... you have my axe. ;-) I cannot WAIT to throw money at this game. Plus.... 20% of the range of Warzone? WOW.... That is a LOT more diversity of models than I was expecting initially. The implication is that the three initial factions would have... oh.... 6-7 types of units each sounds awesome for a new and generally more self-contained game.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Let mi give you some insides how Prodos operates: 250 different models designed, posed, manufactured in 7 months, 6 fully playable faction with range of 12-14 different units, each with unique rule set, 450 unique cards design in 7 months, 300 page top quality book in 7 months,

... any chance you might be willing to give Palladium and Ninja Division some pointers?

They seem to be in need of a little help.

Possibly a lot of help.

 warboss wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Oh yes, do this right and it will be a glorious example of how preparing for a KS should go.

Pfft... Palladium got $1.4 million for Robotech and were 90% done prior to the kickstarter! Now 6 months later, they still haven't finished that last 10%, refuse to post any proof of real progress, and just delayed the kickstarter delivery for the first of likely many times... Ok, maybe they're a better example of how *not* to do it. :(

well, I can only talk about Prodos and state only facts based on Prodos achievements.
Personally, and this is my own opinion not Prodos ;], looks like like some KS money getting reinvested into other stuff, because I cannot believe, that after generating 1$mil USD+ the team cannot delivery what needs to be within 6 months, taking in consideration variety of the product (board game + 20 models + rules ..., that should not take longer than 4 months if the team have at least 50% done, and I can base this on my own experience as miniatures manufacturer).

Current starter for AvP, = designing of models, cast and corrections + board design + game mechanic = 2 months for team of 3 peoples, one printer, 3 PCs, some skills and passion. (and 1 of team member is part timer ;] ).

Prodos can turn over 1 model in 3 days. Have look on our latest KS update for Warzone, Crucifier, due to manufacturing issues was redesigned, from scratch, in print as we speak, and master mould tomorrow.

Plastic injection tooling takes 60 days from CAD to tool, and it holds 35 components per tool in average.

So, I must say, that some delays on KSs, from my experience, are very difficult to justify ,unless collected money where invested into something else that KS project. But again, my perception of things might be wrong....

 Forar wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Let mi give you some insides how Prodos operates: 250 different models designed, posed, manufactured in 7 months, 6 fully playable faction with range of 12-14 different units, each with unique rule set, 450 unique cards design in 7 months, 300 page top quality book in 7 months,

... any chance you might be willing to give Palladium and Ninja Division some pointers?

They seem to be in need of a little help.

Possibly a lot of help.

I was more thinking of Raging Heroes.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

hmm, why so sceptic? ;]

We have commitment to FOX that the game will be out mid next year, if we get for Salute 2014 that is a bonus.

Inteerrreeesssting.. hmm... Can we speculate why 20th Century Fox would like a release for next year? No other Aliens or Predator films in the pipeline (as far as I know), although didn't they make a release during the summer about 'something big is coming' or some such like, but then never revealed what that big thing was?

Fox has a ton of licensed stuff for these franchises slotted for 2014. New novels, new Dark Horse comics, new card games, etc.

 cincydooley wrote:
That's a shame. KSes in USD typically earn more than those in GBP.

Glad to hear CMON is handling the North American distribution.

I'm much happier that Prodos will run the campaign- CMON is terrible about updates after a campaign ends!

So no time for the start tomorrow?
will you have some kind of countdown on FB?
I really don't want to stay up all night for nothing (not again ^^)...

Still i can't read between the lines what game this wants to be?!
Mortheim/deadzone skirmish (because someone mentioned something about models gaining exp.)
A real wargame ala Warzone(not really fitting in my opinion)
Or a coop survival game?!
A Boardgame story driven with objectives for each side?! ("story driven" was mentioned)
Can't wait for tomorrow....

I hope it's something like Mortheim/deadzone for 3 Players (love the hole experience/lvl up stuff)

xeper wrote:
So no time for the start tomorrow?
will you have some kind of countdown on FB?
I really don't want to stay up all night for nothing (not again ^^)...

Still i can't read between the lines what game this wants to be?!
Mortheim/deadzone skirmish (because someone mentioned something about models gaining exp.)
A real wargame ala Warzone(not really fitting in my opinion)
Or a coop survival game?!
A Boardgame story driven with objectives for each side?! ("story driven" was mentioned)
Can't wait for tomorrow....

I hope it's something like Mortheim/deadzone for 3 Players (love the hole experience/lvl up stuff)

Tonight 12.00 GMT ;]

tonight 12:00 GMT as in midnight or tomorrow midday?

tonight? wow. is it going to be AVP or alien vs predator? and do you actually have any idea just how amazingly awesome this is?