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 Medium of Death wrote:
Anybody have any of their own personal experience with Warzone stuff (if they've got it yet)? I know there was one guy earlier in the thread that had problems with the stuff he'd received. Felt the details on some of the Warzone figs at the time looked soft, hopefully this didn't turn out to be the case (bar maybe a couple of slip ups).

There is a Warzone thread over in Misc. Minis that has a few people posting reviews of their stuff (and it all sounds fairly positive), I'd have to go fishing around various blogs or the official forums for more. Still waiting on mine though.

As to the AvP KS, honestly, I'm not seeing this as being that pricey. But if you are waiting for the retail version then it definitely is cheaper at £60. And since retail is coming out regardless, there is no real harm in waiting if the KS exclusive box doesn't push your buttons.

But then, Prodos did kind of market this as an exclusive, limited edition box. So considering that, the current price point, to me, fits. It is a low model count game and comes with card terrain and a bunch of other stuff in the box alongside resin minis. Don't have the dosh for it either way, of course. But $120 for 23 resin minis and a board game isn't really beyond the pale. This is squarely for the people who are really in to the property. My guess is that it will get to be a better deal over time (Warzone certainly did), but Prodos tend to be fairly cautious on the outset. They will not over-promise in order to gamble on more early pledges. For a limited run of the box, this was what was economical for them. With more pledges down, they can probably sweeten the pot as they did with Warzone (where we ended up with cheap international shipping and 30-40% off).

But if the KS were to end today and they were forced to print 250-300 boxes with a budget of £40k, then they would be able to do it (and likely on time) as they played it safe and promised what they could deliver at the price they knew wouldn't drive them in to bankruptcy.

The basic level funds a fairly self-contained set (the LE box) so that its success or failure wont adversely impact the retail box. If it ends up doing better than they need it to (and it probably will) then its success can start sweetening the deal and laying the groundwork for more stuff on the premium-minis side.

But at the end of the day, if you want to wait for something cheaper, the retail box sounds like it will be £60/$100 and comes with what you need to play. No harm in waiting on this one. Of course, because it hasn't broken $1mil in half an hour I'm sure people will moan about how slow it is. Par for the course really. I'm sure Prodos are happy because it it has already made as much as WZ did in six days of being up on KS (and it has only been up a few hours). Considering the scale of company, that shows pretty good growth. And I'm sure I'll wake up tomorrow to a stretch or two being knocked down. This thing already looks pretty damn successful. Should beat out WZ pretty handily and has a shot of going higher.

I'm a little sad I don't have the $120 to spare right now.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

But at the end of the day, if you want to wait for something cheaper, the retail box sounds like it will be £60/$100 and comes with what you need to play.

Which should hopefully also get a discount from online discounters - $80 would be much more attractive if still somewhat dear price, depending on what's in it. It's a shame neither set will use multi part plastic models, the choice being multi part resin (which never comes with a large number of options) or single part plastic.

I backed it mainly just to follow the progress and see what they come out with, but I may end up pulling out before the campaign ends if I don't think its going where I'd like it to go.

I swear to god all anyone does on this forum is complain complain complain. I bet if you each were offered a 1000 dollar billed you'd complain it wasn't in 20's. The figures look great and they are coming in resin. Don't want to spend money on quality roll on over to Mantic and have a field day. You get what you pay for as countless Mantic KS backers have learned. Figures on the cheap? That's exactly what you get. Cheap.

Or we could all go and back Sedition Wars again. Ya that was some quality right there.

 Forlorn wrote:
I swear to god all anyone does on this forum is complain complain complain. I bet if you each were offered a 1000 dollar billed you'd complain it wasn't in 20's. The figures look great and they are coming in resin. Don't want to spend money on quality roll on over to Mantic and have a field day. You get what you pay for as countless Mantic KS backers have learned. Figures on the cheap? That's exactly what you get. Cheap.

Or we could all go and back Sedition Wars again. Ya that was some quality right there.

Or, you know, we all have an idea of what comparable products cost. And as such, this is high.

Even comparing sedition wars is silly. 3 times the models for less cost, and the models are perfectly fine, despite what Mr. Internet Hater would have you believe.

But nice try.

 Forlorn wrote:
I swear to god all anyone does on this forum is complain complain complain.

 Forlorn wrote:

I am bitter over the entire venture. I am so tired of people attempting to defend this it makes me seriously want to find them and give them a pain threshold punch to the nuts. From having to put parts in hot water to bend them back into place, to warped boards, to off center tokens, to missing parts, to a rulebook that doesn't seem to have been play tested, to mold lines that chew up blades faster than a fat kid on candy, to Wave 2 figures that aren't even comparable in size to Wave 1, to having to buy a rulebook for the updated rules if I don't want a PDF. Seriously?

This will forever be stuck with me...

A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!

What a god damn disappointment.

You've got a point there buddy!

Seriously though, I've pledged, for the updates, and I'll stick with this until the last few days, but I'm actually less excited for it now than before the KS launched.

Will have to wait and see how it evolves I guess.

Appreciate Az for linking that other criticism.

Maybe this hobby isn't for you if you can't bend pieces back into shape or trim mould lines.

Wow like 10 pages of posts in an hour...

I gotta say, I know it's a new kickstarter and all, and I know things will get better, but I'm not impressed so far. You don't seem to get a lot. But the resin rooms are very impressive.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

That was pretty funny, actually!

 Forlorn wrote:
I swear to god all anyone does on this forum is complain complain complain. I bet if you each were offered a 1000 dollar billed you'd complain it wasn't in 20's.

I always find the irony in posts complaining about complaining to be...pretty amusing!

I'm a bit confused on the stretch goals, are they going to be added to the box set or are we going to have to purchase them as add-ons?

blingman wrote:
Talk about disapointed...... It just does not seem much for my money compared to others (MA)
Looks like mantic will get decembers pay packet instead of my kids this year, looked like it was going to prodos there for a while too.

But how does it compare to when Mars Attacks first started their kickstarted.

Bit harsh to compare a Kickstarter at the end of it's run where it is full of its addons and extras to one that is less than 24 hours old. That is apples and oranges territory right there.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Forlorn wrote:
I swear to god all anyone does on this forum is complain complain complain.

 Forlorn wrote:

I am bitter over the entire venture. I am so tired of people attempting to defend this it makes me seriously want to find them and give them a pain threshold punch to the nuts. From having to put parts in hot water to bend them back into place, to warped boards, to off center tokens, to missing parts, to a rulebook that doesn't seem to have been play tested, to mold lines that chew up blades faster than a fat kid on candy, to Wave 2 figures that aren't even comparable in size to Wave 1, to having to buy a rulebook for the updated rules if I don't want a PDF. Seriously?

This will forever be stuck with me...

A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!

What a god damn disappointment.

You've got a point there buddy!

Seriously though, I've pledged, for the updates, and I'll stick with this until the last few days, but I'm actually less excited for it now than before the KS launched.

Will have to wait and see how it evolves I guess.

Well played sir. Well played.

Ima go back to eating my chicken now.

Wow, 75 quid for what seems like not a lot of stuff, I'll pass!

overtyrant wrote:
Wow, 75 quid for what seems like not a lot of stuff, I'll pass!

As previously noted, not a lot of stuff right now.

This is a Kickstarter campaign.

It might end up being a nice deal.

It might not.

But we'll see at the end!

Welp, we've been sitting past $45k for a little while now. Hope we see the predatrice soon.

 cincydooley wrote:
Appreciate Az for linking that other criticism.

Maybe this hobby isn't for you if you can't bend pieces back into shape or trim mould lines.

 Vain wrote:

blingman wrote:
Talk about disapointed...... It just does not seem much for my money compared to others (MA)
Looks like mantic will get decembers pay packet instead of my kids this year, looked like it was going to prodos there for a while too.

But how does it compare to when Mars Attacks first started their kickstarted.

Bit harsh to compare a Kickstarter at the end of it's run where it is full of its addons and extras to one that is less than 24 hours old. That is apples and oranges territory right there.

Except that we have another Kickstarter from the same company to compare this with and the same complaints were quite common there. Not many freebies, slightly worse "value" compared with simply buying it from the warstore, and the vast majority of the unlocks were paid purchases. If they follow the same progression (which the start has been matching), there isn't going to be much of a difference in the per fig price for each pledge level and the unlocks will generally increase variety but not value. They could obviously deviate from their previous offering though...

The value is the resin multipart figures and the box upgrades we will likely see, if you wait for retail then decide you would like to upgrade to resin minis then It will cost you more than the kickstarter version.

Also for people complaining about the North American shipping saying that savings aren't being passed on, work out how much your customs bill would be, that's the saving they are passing on.

Personally I'm fine with the value and happy with the quality of the warzone minis I received so have confidence in the quality they will provide. For me this is an IP too good to pass up on.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Someone in the comments noticed something a bit puzzling: 3 Predators purchased ala carte are twice as expensive as 5 of anything else. That seems... odd.

My guess is that Predators are bigger.

Maybe the trio pairings are intentional since according to the fiction the Predator hunting parties arrive in groups of three.

While I am not really opposed to the pricing, I hope Prodos will sweeten the deal a bit for those who are with at least a few unlockable upgrades to the limited edition.

So far, only one thing irks me: the game is billed as "self-contained" but contains no dice. It seems "self-contained" is used in a different sense than "complete," which is fair play I suppose. Just a little thing and it doesn't bother me too much since I have my fare share of d20s and may get some of those cool customs anyhow.


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 paulson games wrote:
My guess is that Predators are bigger.

Definitely the case:

@manchu in the contents pic there appear to be a pair of black dice.

LOL three of em even -- thanks for pointing that out.

I swear they were predator-cloaked a moment ago.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@manchu in the contents pic there appear to be a pair of black dice.

Aye, they just aren't listed in the contents listing.

Like the Rulebook.

Can anyone makes sense of what this is supposed to mean: "ᖘᴀʏʙᴀᴄᴋ ᴛɪᴍᴇ" and "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" rewards

wtf??





Edit:
Want some candy?

 Manchu wrote:
While I am not really opposed to the pricing, I hope Prodos will sweeten the deal a bit for those who are with at least a few unlockable upgrades to the limited edition.

So far, only one thing irks me: the game is billed as "self-contained" but contains no dice. It seems "self-contained" is used in a different sense than "complete," which is fair play I suppose. Just a little thing and it doesn't bother me too much since I have my fare share of d20s and may get some of those cool customs anyhow.

Honestly, I'm getting mad deja vu between this and the Warzone campaign. Same concerns about pricing being "a bit to high" (or "ludicrous" for the more hyperbolic amongst those complaining). And eventually that was turning out sweet-spot pledges with 35-40% off of retail (even if you included shipping on to it). I got loads of stuff off of that KS for a better price than I could have ever expected.

Only thing to do is sit back and wait to see what they do. Though considering how much faster this one is going than their last, my only hope is that they have stretches planned well in advance and don't go overboard. Their last KS started slow and ended a great value.

This one has done in a few hours what it took a week for the last one to do. Even with a significant amount of slowdown in the coming days (and it will be hard to beat the WZ rollercoaster for that) it will still probably outpace Warzone by a good margin through its run. It will be interesting to see what they have planned for this.

 paulson games wrote:
Can anyone makes sense of what this is supposed to mean: "ᖘᴀʏʙᴀᴄᴋ ᴛɪᴍᴇ" and "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" rewards

wtf??

It refers to previous backer levels included in a given level. The Anytime level is the limited edition rules. Payback time includes the game, £60 in add-ons and the Anytime level (i.e. the book).

So the last level includes the 100 custom heads, the game, £60 in add-ons and two copies of the book (since the Payback level includes Anytime and it also includes Anytime as well). Mostly that just seems to be the generous backer level.

Not sure what's up with the font though. That is kind of weird.

 paulson games wrote:
Can anyone makes sense of what this is supposed to mean: "ᖘᴀʏʙᴀᴄᴋ ᴛɪᴍᴇ" and "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" rewards

wtf??

Anytime is the 10p pledge level, Payback Time is the 125p pledge level.

Anytime means pdf?

And Payback Time means 100 USD of add-ons?

Anytime I think refers to the PDF tabletop game rules and the other to the discounted ad ons.

Edit:ninjas everywhere!

 Cyporiean wrote:
10p

I don't think this indicates ten pounds in British orthography

 Manchu wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
10p

I don't think this indicates ten pounds in British orthography

Eh? Has British television lied to me that 'Ten Pee' doesn't mean Pounds?