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Manchu wrote:
Wow. Just go ahead and read the first dozen pages ITT.

Why? It is easier to just state there was no lead up.

I suspect another reason they may not be able to show stuff (for unlocks where there is no render yet) or maybe even rules or tiles is that they may need to get whatever they do signed off by the licence holder

so the do the work, ship/email it over to Fox, and wait, and wait etc

(and certainly the re-do on the Predalien suggests Fox has strong opinions of things)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
(and certainly the re-do on the Predalien suggests Fox has strong opinions of things)

Agreed, and this should make for a better end product- the new PredAlien is so much nicer!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
so the do the work, ship/email it over to Fox, and wait, and wait etc

Surely all of this kind of thing would be finished before beginning a KS drive?

Only for the initial offerings, not the stretch goals (or at least, that's the case here). They said they got the sculptor working on the stretches as soon as it was clear they'd be hit (i.e. Alien Warriors at 100K).

 RiTides wrote:
Only for the initial offerings, not the stretch goals

So you make an extra short KS for stuff you haven't even received permission to make?I mean, I get that they have permission to a sculpt of X, Y, and Z but ... what the customers want to see is an actual sculpt (or at least render) rather than a representation that the sculpt will eventually be done ... you know, after we have your money.

I'm still of the opinion that they should have probably had rough ideas nailed down before putting them as stretch goals. YMMV. I'm still very excited for this overall though.

Have been having a look round these series of tubes to find Warzone figure reviews, was initial looking for battle reports and such, ordered a set of these guys (below) just to see what the Quality is like.
If they scale well with the game I could imagine these being good for a mercenary type stand in for marines, private guards etc. If not they are cool in their own right. Lots of really very nice Warzone miniatures... run wallet... run!

I was originally attracted to these by their "not Pulse Rifles".


Capitol Infantry

Well, I want to sculpts more than anyone . Everything I am pledging for, other than the PredAlien, currently doesn't have a sculpt shown. Hopefully, that will change before the campaign is over! But I also don't want them to rush the sculpts, so maybe just a WIP.

I don't think it wasn't that they'd received permission- it sounded like they had permission to make anything and everything. I think it's that, they didn't have the funds... and as soon as it was clear that they would, they got the sculptor going.

I'm not saying that's the right way to do it... I'm saying that's how it is

 RiTides wrote:
I think it's that, they didn't have the funds... and as soon as it was clear that they would, they got the sculptor going

Seems a bit weak. I doubt the sculptor would need a KS to reach 170k GBP+ before starting on at least sketches. This isn't an unknown property we're talking about.

Manchu wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
I think it's that, they didn't have the funds... and as soon as it was clear that they would, they got the sculptor going

Seems a bit weak. I doubt the sculptor would need a KS to reach 170k GBP+ before starting on at least sketches. This isn't an unknown property we're talking about.

And correct me if I'm wrong here, as I know very little about the field. But surely once they have the software, there is no additional costs other than man hours to create the computer animated rends?

I don't think it's known that they do the sculpts in-house (my expectation was that they did not). So, they have to pay the sculptor to do the work.

From what I can see, they have used no "sketches" in this campaign, only digital sculpts (likely based on the wealth of existing art that exists for these creations).

 RiTides wrote:
So, they have to pay the sculptor to do the work.

No money before KS starts; no money before KS ends. Nothing has changed because Prodos hypothetically has $170k+ (-Amazon's cut).

But a sculptor who may not be prepared to work for....

'we've got a great idea, we're sure it will sell well and you'll get paid when it does.....'

might well be happy to work for

'we've got a great idea up on KS, and it's funded and we've hit loads of stretch goals and you'll get your cash 2-3 weeks after it ends...'

Updates from the KS comments:

Prodos wrote:guys, the game play video will be up tomorrow/ Sunday.

Prodos wrote:@Williams, the vid will include basic info about army construction for Board game (optional and Wargame). Before end of this KS we will issue full set of "army" construction rules + "making your own Hero" rules.

Prodos wrote:@william bidleman - Saturday night (UK time) or Sunday morning (UK time)

Prodos wrote:@the Dave, also the points values

*Fingers crossed*

Very much looking forward to this.

Same here, it will come, in due time.

Next Xenomorph Stretch goal is the Crusher apparently:

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Crusher

The Crusher is a type of Praetorian thought to be evolved from a runner rather than drone. Although other fluff suggests it is unique like a queen and is created by a mutated queen chestburster. So either way it's big.

Nice, DaveC! Source:

Prodos wrote:@Rob, next one is Crusher, but keep it for your self ;]
@ Slim, yes ;]
@jelly we are working on this one as well ;] (referencing an alternate Alien heads comment)

Prodos wrote:@wiliam, there is arounf 200 skills to be taken, Aliens gets "Hive" upgrades - every model in the have gains the special skills (based on level of collective experience collected during the game), Predators are different, each model gains experience and its own special skills, for Marines, the experience is collected by Squads (so each squad member gets more skills once they level up) More in the video. There is about 200 special skills to pick from! 200! per side!
2) Me might get Heavy Infantry in the future (post KS) or during if we get approval (long process it is! ;] )
Jarek

That second comment also seems to be referring to the "create your own hero" rules, I think.

Also interesting to know that they need approval before putting something into the Kickstarter, so they don't have a totally blank slate!

I recall the crusher being quite big from the Colonial Marines trailer. An interesting route and one that makes me think the Marines might be hopelessly outgunned unless they get something big.

Does it just flatten its enemies with that big thing on the back of its head?

Basically yes it's just a big mobile battering ram they can take out an APC.

Prodos are being very chatty tonight

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 5 minutes ago

well, canon approach would not work for the board game as its creating some limits to game construction.. in terms of points values, it depends on initial level of your models, for instance, if you plan to start with experienced Squad of Marines (lvl 3) it will cost you 50 pts each model, a Marine without experience, it's approx 10 pts per model ( depending on type: M56, M41, Medic with M260, or Squad Commander)...

So some more sculpts are done but they need final approval (presumably from Fox)

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 1 minute ago

The Female Predator is in the physical model form, We have ready renders for Praetorians (I keep calling them Royal Guard ;]) , all this is awaiting approval, once we have it we will publish the pictures images, I must say that Rolay.... Praetorian looks so COOL!

Looks like the die-hard deniers can no longer ignore Colonial Marines if the Crusher is in!

They need to be chatty. When they were quiet all day the total pledges and dollars pledged dipped.

Apparently the render of the Praetorian is ready, just awaiting approval to show!

Prodos wrote:@Steve: The Female Predator is in the physical model form, We have ready renders for Praetorians (I keep calling them Royal Guard ;]) , all this is awaiting approval, once we have it we will publish the pictures images, I must say that Rolay.... Praetorian looks so COOL!

Where's RiTides gone they answered his question

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 1 minute ago

the plans are to increase to approx 12 different types of models per faction + vehicles!

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 1 minute ago

@RiTides- warriors where ready, i mean renders, awaiting approval as well, same for Predator's mission tokens, we should have green light soon! (next week)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
But a sculptor who may not be prepared to work for...

They're both just promises.

 DaveC wrote:
Where's RiTides gone they answered his question

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 1 minute ago

the plans are to increase to approx 12 different types of models per faction + vehicles!

I was just gonna say - if the Charger/Crusher is 10' tall on all fours - there is an APC coming...

APC folks!!!!

Manchu wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
But a sculptor who may not be prepared to work for...

They're both just promises.

absolutely, but the first is a promise with no real date attached, the second lets the sculptor 'see' the money arriving and gives them a solid timescale when it will get to them

 DaveC wrote:
Where's RiTides gone they answered his question

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 1 minute ago

the plans are to increase to approx 12 different types of models per faction + vehicles!

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 1 minute ago

@RiTides- warriors where ready, i mean renders, awaiting approval as well, same for Predator's mission tokens, we should have green light soon! (next week)

Whoa, 12 models/faction? Preds have, what, 6 at most right now (3 box ones, fem, zerker, dogs... so actually 7?).

If they are going by types, the other factions don't seem that expansive either...

Weird.

Again, that's so weak. A sculptor presented with a real business plan and a real license of this magnitude would realize that sculpts could only drive the KS. There's no incentive to say, come back to me when thousands of people have promised you money that you still don't have at that point.

I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just not a great explanation and if it is true it speaks to rather ... amateurish negotiation on someone's part.