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2013/11/16 15:16:13
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
CptJake wrote: Forcing players to measure instead of using squares/hexes is going to hurt the retail version more than this version. A lot of folks are in the KS for the figures and their use in the 'wargame'. The retail version should be something typical board gamers will love. I suspect now it turns into a source of cheaper minis for the 'build an army' gamers out there.
Very interesting decision on Prodos part. I suspect it has to do with reusing Warzone mechanisms, even for the board game.
It does make me rethink how much (or if) I back this project. I was actually looking forward to a Space Hulk type game with cool Aliens figures, that I could enjoy with my daughter. Making it a 'you must measure' game likely slows it down and complicates it just enough that she won't enjoy it.
Right, there's a few comments from backers who really aren't happy with this game play mechanics and are threatening to drop out... I haven't seen the Warzone rules, but it almost sounds more like a Necromunda / roleplay type of game - a very niche market. Also note that there's no mention of a measuring stick in the box contents...
What is still disappointing me is that there's no hardcopy of the rules in the box, I know we get a digital copy (Anytime reward), but I don't want to always need my laptop powered on to flick through the PDF. There is talk of a hardback rule book stretch goal, but I'd like to see a soft back free add-on option at the least
Watching this vaguely... Seems like the main box is ok if you want to play the game and want a lot of aliens? Seems light on the other two factions (though predators probably can manage on their own, eh). So... still not interested, but I guess its good to see more going into the main box for those who are
2013/11/16 17:03:52
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
I think people should not get their hopes up for the Queen, too much.
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With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
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2013/11/16 17:05:52
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
CptJake wrote: Forcing players to measure instead of using squares/hexes is going to hurt the retail version more than this version. A lot of folks are in the KS for the figures and their use in the 'wargame'. The retail version should be something typical board gamers will love. I suspect now it turns into a source of cheaper minis for the 'build an army' gamers out there.
Very interesting decision on Prodos part. I suspect it has to do with reusing Warzone mechanisms, even for the board game.
It does make me rethink how much (or if) I back this project. I was actually looking forward to a Space Hulk type game with cool Aliens figures, that I could enjoy with my daughter. Making it a 'you must measure' game likely slows it down and complicates it just enough that she won't enjoy it.
Right, there's a few comments from backers who really aren't happy with this game play mechanics and are threatening to drop out... I haven't seen the Warzone rules, but it almost sounds more like a Necromunda / roleplay type of game - a very niche market. Also note that there's no mention of a measuring stick in the box contents...
What is still disappointing me is that there's no hardcopy of the rules in the box, I know we get a digital copy (Anytime reward), but I don't want to always need my laptop powered on to flick through the PDF. There is talk of a hardback rule book stretch goal, but I'd like to see a soft back free add-on option at the least
Not to be argumentative, but given what has been said here (fair notice, I haven't checked the comments section), how is this actually a board game at all?
The sides are assembled with a point system (different experience levels, different potency) and played (we now hear) with measuring rather then a board.
It seems like this is really a skirmish game level table top game, marketed as a board game in order to attract more money (as board games are indisputably a bigger market then mini campaigns).
For someone that was interested in this as a board game (which to be fair I am not), this is almost bait-and-switch level of misleading.
Fake edit: wait, the game doesn't come with any rules in it at all? Whaaaa?
Fake edit: wait, the game doesn't come with any rules in it at all? Whaaaa?
Previously we had people bitching that the game didn't come with dice, despite the picture of box content showing dice.. and just not listing them.
Now its the rulebook.
the game must not come with those little barricades either, since those aren't listed.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Additionally, I suspect the reason for a lack of 1" grid on the tiles is that the game is using Round Lip bases which are 30/40/50mm.. and thus won't fit in a 25mm square.
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Imposter101 wrote: I think people should not get their hopes up for the Queen, too much.
Fair enough, although if we advanced no further than Crusher (should be in by Monday), and the already unlocked Praetorians, PredAliens, and Warriors, I'd be happy to allocate it all on them
2013/11/16 17:59:20
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
While this is one of the few times I would prefer a gridded map, I think this still falls under the boardgame cateory.
Necromunda and quite a few other GW games did this. Especially their starters which are kinda like boardgame in a sense if you show restraint and leave it at what comes in the box.
It is odd though. Very odd choice to go gridless. I can't deny that it makes me second guess buying the game rather than just buying some models to throw onto my space hulk set up.
But it could work. I am willing to give it a chance and find out.
String or a nice corded strand makes a good measuring device for such things. There are creative ways to make this work in a more convenient way.
I think after 200k, I'm done fretting over the KS until completed.
I will adjust my pledge on the last day taking into consideration how high the pledges have reached and how well Prodos are responding to the KS in the form of legitimate pertinent info.
I am in for at least enough Colonial Marines to replace my cadian mods. I am happy enough with my wizkids Horrorclix models to suffice but would still like to update those.
If Prodos pull out the stops though, I could be in for $1k. Current pledge is $500. A nice median that can be heavily adjusted either way.
I'd imagine the reason they are not talking about the physical rule book (which is clearly shown on the images) is that at present it's soft cover (or even staple bound)
but they hope it ends up hardcover
2013/11/16 18:34:02
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Update in the comments: The video will be up within a day, and you can use the board game rules with grid-based-play, or wargame rules with measuring. Everybody wins
So, not much else to do but sit tight and hope that video rocks the house!
Prodos wrote:;] the vid will be up today or tomorrow morning, we are working on it as we speak ;] ... basically some content had to be removed it.
also some more pictures tomorrow
and final one. yes 2 set of rules, basic and advanced, basic just for game board, advanced can be used either for board game or wargame, that is the master plan, you play as you want, grids ? no problemo, you may play basic board game (as will be shown on 1st video) , want to include more models , create own heroes, no problemo play ruler-wargame version (ruler system is needed for the "game flow"), I think, this fusion is the best you can have it as the "limit" does not exist ;] in fact we have the same approach for Warzone, where you can play basic game (no cards) or advanced with cards.
Jarek
2013/11/16 19:44:07
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Additionally, I suspect the reason for a lack of 1" grid on the tiles is that the game is using Round Lip bases which are 30/40/50mm.. and thus won't fit in a 25mm square.
I don't remember ever decrying the lack of a 1 inch grid. Instead, the lack of ANY grid. I could care less about the size, the size should have been chosen based on the figure bases. Handling multi-space occupying figures is something well written rules could handle (other rules manage to do so).
My only point about lack of grid is that, especially for the retail version, it is going to alienate a good chunk of the potential market. For the KS version it definitely will affect how much I pledge.
I saw the quote above where they say folks can play with a grid if they want. Unless the tiles come with the grid on them, and the rules are written for the use of that grid, again, they alienate a huge chunk of the potential market. It just seems a poor decision. Using a grid with either squares or hexes makes a lot of sense for a boardgame.
As for rules, I was always pretty sure the 'boardgame' came with rules for that game, and part of the KS was to get a hardback of the 'wargame' rules into print as well (vice the included PDF).
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2013/11/16 20:12:32
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Does anyone know the scope of Prodos's AVP license? Does it only encompass a "war game" or "miniatures game"? Maybe that is why they are not doing an actual board game variant and are just using the tiles as interior terrain. I know upper deck is doing a deck building card game for the Aliens license and plans on doing one for the Predator license, so other companies are making games for the licenses. Would it be possible for someone else to create an Aliens and/or Predator self contained board game?
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2013/11/16 20:15:25
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
RiTides wrote: Update in the comments: The video will be up within a day, and you can use the board game rules with grid-based-play, or wargame rules with measuring. Everybody wins
So, not much else to do but sit tight and hope that video rocks the house!
Prodos wrote:;] the vid will be up today or tomorrow morning, we are working on it as we speak ;] ... basically some content had to be removed it.
also some more pictures tomorrow
and final one. yes 2 set of rules, basic and advanced, basic just for game board, advanced can be used either for board game or wargame, that is the master plan, you play as you want, grids ? no problemo, you may play basic board game (as will be shown on 1st video) , want to include more models , create own heroes, no problemo play ruler-wargame version (ruler system is needed for the "game flow"), I think, this fusion is the best you can have it as the "limit" does not exist ;] in fact we have the same approach for Warzone, where you can play basic game (no cards) or advanced with cards.
Jarek
Dude, did you guys even read my above post? There will be a grid, measuring is just for wargames rules. Video coming tonight or tomorrow on board game gameplay.
2013/11/16 20:40:49
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Fake edit: wait, the game doesn't come with any rules in it at all? Whaaaa?
Previously we had people bitching that the game didn't come with dice, despite the picture of box content showing dice.. and just not listing them.
Now its the rulebook.
Spoiler:
the game must not come with those little barricades either, since those aren't listed.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Additionally, I suspect the reason for a lack of 1" grid on the tiles is that the game is using Round Lip bases which are 30/40/50mm.. and thus won't fit in a 25mm square.
You know what, I've seen that new box contents several dozen times over the last few days, but not once did I notice the image of a rulebook... I'm much moce contented now I know that exists
RiTides wrote:Update in the comments: The video will be up within a day, and you can use the board game rules with grid-based-play, or wargame rules with measuring. Everybody wins
So, not much else to do but sit tight and hope that video rocks the house!
Prodos wrote:;] the vid will be up today or tomorrow morning, we are working on it as we speak ;] ... basically some content had to be removed it.
also some more pictures tomorrow
and final one. yes 2 set of rules, basic and advanced, basic just for game board, advanced can be used either for board game or wargame, that is the master plan, you play as you want, grids ? no problemo, you may play basic board game (as will be shown on 1st video) , want to include more models , create own heroes, no problemo play ruler-wargame version (ruler system is needed for the "game flow"), I think, this fusion is the best you can have it as the "limit" does not exist ;] in fact we have the same approach for Warzone, where you can play basic game (no cards) or advanced with cards.
Jarek
Their updates today have (in my view) been excellent... Keep it up Prodos
RiTides wrote: Update in the comments: The video will be up within a day, and you can use the board game rules with grid-based-play, or wargame rules with measuring. Everybody wins
So, not much else to do but sit tight and hope that video rocks the house!
Prodos wrote:;] the vid will be up today or tomorrow morning, we are working on it as we speak ;] ... basically some content had to be removed it.
also some more pictures tomorrow
and final one. yes 2 set of rules, basic and advanced, basic just for game board, advanced can be used either for board game or wargame, that is the master plan, you play as you want, grids ? no problemo, you may play basic board game (as will be shown on 1st video) , want to include more models , create own heroes, no problemo play ruler-wargame version (ruler system is needed for the "game flow"), I think, this fusion is the best you can have it as the "limit" does not exist ;] in fact we have the same approach for Warzone, where you can play basic game (no cards) or advanced with cards.
Jarek
Dude, did you guys even read my above post? There will be a grid, measuring is just for wargames rules. Video coming tonight or tomorrow on board game gameplay.
Yes I read your post. There is no real confirmation there is a grid nor that the rules actually make use of a grid. There is a vague 'play it the way you want'. The resin terrain shown does not have a grid. The pictures of the tile are not clear enough to tell. Hopefully the video will make it clear. A simple, "Yes, the tiles have a grid of Xmm/Xinches and the boardgame rules use that for movement and firing" would be nice.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2013/11/16 22:59:30
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
RiTides wrote: Their comment indicates the basic board game, and rules, will use a grid... we'll see the video in mere hours anyway
No, the comment says it goes either way the player wants. It is very unclear. I hope the video does show a grid and that the rules use it.
Agree to disagree, we're reading the same comment but getting different meanings, it seems. No worries, the incoming video will clear it up regardless and I do agree they could've been clearer. Hopefully the video is that, and in spades- I think a lot of folks are waiting for it to see about the gameplay.
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