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Oddly this video increased my interest. But then I am in the wargaming crowd.

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 1 minute ago

Guys, tomorrow night we will do a Google hangout, more on information on next update, we will nail the rules to the bones for you. Will give the details and we will answer as many as we can.

Jarek

Is it just me or did this lose around 2k £ in the last few hours? I could have sworn that the 185k stretch was broken last I checked and we are now almost at 183k.

The amount of backers seems to have stayed the same.

I think you are correct about the 2 grand thing though, I was sure it was at 185 when I checked earlier...

How is LOS handled in the board game? How does the grid affect that? True

True?

 CptJake wrote:

How is LOS handled in the board game? How does the grid affect that? True

True?

I am guessing true los as in a long stick being able to touch the shooting model and the model being shot at without the need to rearrange the terrain? They could be a bit more generous with their answers...

 Medium of Death wrote:
The amount of backers seems to have stayed the same.

I think you are correct about the 2 grand thing though, I was sure it was at 185 when I checked earlier...

Yup... I checked kicktraq and the daily total was only 600£ which I know they got overnight at least. I can't seem to find the video in question on my mobile device but it certainly seems to have had a negative impact on the average pledge but as you said not the total number of pkedges which has stayed the same (2000+/-2). The good news is that its up another 1k since I posted.

Update:

Update #14
Google Hangout - 18th November Q&A with Prodos Games

Hi all, just quick update, we will conduct a Q&A through Google Hangout at 19.30 GMT (UK),

(14.30 EST) we will link the Google Hangout in the comment section of this update.

Here is a CONCEPT card for the Predator, with Rules (WIP) ,the card is 140mm x 100mm



and Back:



and as requested some samples of hi res of board game corridors, more with next update:

Interesting they went with a 1 inch grid but 30mm bases as the smallest bases.

Hmm, those stat cards actually are enough to tip me from "maybe" to "probably not."

Just plain too many rules, and it didn't evoke a sense of "awesome, exactly how I always pictured them, worth some extra rules to pull it off."

Looks like a pretty complex skirmish set, and frankly I already have enough of those... For a small game, I've found it's a lot easier to get other people interested if there's not a wall of text.

Too bad, had high hopes for this KS.

 GrimDork wrote:
Meep. Sucks to see this one kind of struggling, I had expected such an IP to do much better. I realize there's a week and a half left, but I thought this was supposed to be the killer project of doom to end other projects.

No kidding.

Two months ago, I would have said that a Kickstarter for a licensed AVP board game with highly detailed Aliens, Colonial Marines and Predators would have easily taken in a million dollars. I would have bet money on it. But now...

I can't believe how much Prodos is screwing up on this. They didn't just shoot themselves in the foot. No, they tied a noose around their neck, tossed the other end of the rope in an active chipper shredder, and then shot themselves in the foot. With buck shot.


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 CptJake wrote:
I fully get that for the resin figure crowd in love with the IP this is a decent deal.

Yes. They are a happy dozen people.

Everyone else thinks the prices are a bad joke.

I agree, the stat cards are way too texty. All you need is simple rules "skill name - model gets +1 to hit" is all you need. Put the long descriptions in the rulebook. Cards should be quick reference and cool art, maybe some damage tracking boxes like warmachine, that's about it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
Meep. Sucks to see this one kind of struggling, I had expected such an IP to do much better. I realize there's a week and a half left, but I thought this was supposed to be the killer project of doom to end other projects.

No kidding.

Two months ago, I would have said that a Kickstarter for a licensed AVP board game with highly detailed Aliens, Colonial Marines and Predators would have easily taken in a million dollars. I would have bet money on it. But now...

I can't believe how much Prodos is screwing up on this. They didn't just shoot themselves in the foot. No, they tied a noose around their neck, tossed the other end of the rope in an active chipper shredder, and then shot themselves in the foot. With buck shot.

And the Oscar goes to...... BobtheInquisitor for his leading male role in the Gone with the Xenomorph! That's laying it on a bit thick, dontchya think? I've been quite critical of this campaign and have not pledged due to my misgivings despite being one of the people clicking my browser refresh button at the posted start. It's technically already a success with 3x the goal stated so they didn't hang themselves...but they certainly haven't helped either and I agree the potential of these multiple IPs is being hamstrung by a variety of factors.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I would have said that a Kickstarter for a licensed AVP board game with highly detailed Aliens, Colonial Marines and Predators would have easily taken in a million dollars. I would have bet money on it. But now....

I would have beg it would have made 3 times that. I figure they were betting on the name selling itself too with their take it or leave it attitude about the game.

Shame.

Now this already looks promising for a similar concept. Why couldn't Prodos do this?
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sentinelgames/total-extinction-battle-for-karnak?ref=activity

Any idea how long it will be until we get those praetorian and warrior renders? The blue shaded action figures aren't much to go on.

 warboss wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
Meep. Sucks to see this one kind of struggling, I had expected such an IP to do much better. I realize there's a week and a half left, but I thought this was supposed to be the killer project of doom to end other projects.

No kidding.

Two months ago, I would have said that a Kickstarter for a licensed AVP board game with highly detailed Aliens, Colonial Marines and Predators would have easily taken in a million dollars. I would have bet money on it. But now...

I can't believe how much Prodos is screwing up on this. They didn't just shoot themselves in the foot. No, they tied a noose around their neck, tossed the other end of the rope in an active chipper shredder, and then shot themselves in the foot. With buck shot.

And the Oscar goes to...... BobtheInquisitor for his leading male role in the Gone with the Xenomorph! That's laying it on a bit thick, dontchya think?

I'm sorry. I thought we were on the internet. If you can't take the histrionics, maybe you should talk to a real person or read a book or something.

But thank you for the oscar.

EDIT: Allow me to elaborate, though, through interpretive dance:

Resin. Resin prices. Pounds not dollars. Shipping whaaa? Off the grid. Predator$$. Maybe they don't show up on rendering at all. Aliens, Alien Resurrection, same diff? You have to spend money for the opportunity to spend money. Did I mention the prices? BTW, there will be retail plastics available outside of this campaign. Also, ponies and beejers. And oreo cookie shakes. Pretty much whatever you want, so long as you just don't spend money right now. Please don't pledge on our campaign or we might have to tell you what's going on! Board gamers? Bored lamers!

I've been quite critical of this campaign and have not pledged due to my misgivings despite being one of the people clicking my browser refresh button at the posted start. It's technically already a success with 3x the goal stated so they didn't hang themselves...but they certainly haven't helped either and I agree the potential of these multiple IPs is being hamstrung by a variety of factors.

Technically, it is a success. It's the kind of success that will have the fans discussing what a failure it was for years, but a success none the less. I mean, we are talking about the Alines IP, here, probably the third most beloved sci-fi franchise after Star Trek and Star Wars. Just because Prodos made their arbitrarily small goal and technically succeded doesn't mean they reached anything near the potential of the IP.

This reminds me of what happened with the Robotech Kickstarter, when that Paulson guy made the minis from metal and they had a successful kickstarter...oh wait. Maybe some bigger company needed to come around, kick some sand in Prodos' face and give us an AVP board game worthy of the franchise (or licensing fees, even).

Those cards are uuuuuugly. Am I really gonna pass on this now? Jinkies.

Guys, for those with valid criticisms of this campaign:

I've had 2 suggestions to Prodos so far, and they have answered, and taken my feedback on both of them! The first, was for the 10-pound pledge level to double as shipping cost for international backers (they updated to say that yes, it did). The second, was to add a pledge level without the board game for wargamers. They did this.

For those of you who seriously care about the campaign- contact Prodos via the "contact us" button on Kickstarter. They will respond in all likelihood, and actually listen. Not only for me, but for others, they have done this.

The frustrating part is that valid criticism like Hellfury's gets drowned out in the noise of folks just piling on. Constructive feedback gets taken- I have successfully done so twice now. Just randomly complaining won't get much done, although you of course have that right on a forum. But, if you actually want to affect the campaign, there is opportunity to do so- again, I've done it twice.

 Hellfury wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I would have said that a Kickstarter for a licensed AVP board game with highly detailed Aliens, Colonial Marines and Predators would have easily taken in a million dollars. I would have bet money on it. But now....

I would have beg it would have made 3 times that. I figure they were betting on the name selling itself too with their take it or leave it attitude about the game.

Shame.

Now this already looks promising for a similar concept. Why couldn't Prodos do this?
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sentinelgames/total-extinction-battle-for-karnak?ref=activity

Yes!

That describes it quite well. It's like they really don't care if we buy their product.

Have you followed RiTides suggestion and contacted them directly?

 RiTides wrote:
Guys, for those with valid criticisms of this campaign:

I've had 2 suggestions to Prodos so far, and they have answered, and taken my feedback on both of them! The first, was for the 10-pound pledge level to double as shipping cost for international backers (they updated to say that yes, it did). The second, was to add a pledge level without the board game for wargamers. They did this.

For those of you who seriously care about the campaign- contact Prodos via the "contact us" button on Kickstarter. They will respond in all likelihood, and actually listen. Not only for me, but for others, they have done this.

The frustrating part is that valid criticism like Hellfury's gets drowned out in the noise of folks just piling on. Constructive feedback gets taken- I have successfully done so twice now. Just randomly complaining won't get much done, although you of course have that right on a forum. But, if you actually want to affect the campaign, there is opportunity to do so- again, I've done it twice.

I actually have contacted them with a question about the board game. They seem like nice people, and there is nothing personal about this, but for Prodos' KS prices I'm going to have to find some added-value of my own here.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Have you followed RiTides suggestion and contacted them directly?

Yes. For all the posting I do here, I behave quite differently in different contexts.

If you want to know more, you're free to pm me.

That other kickstarter does look kinda neat, too bad I don't have an AvP pledge to drop to go spend on it

Might be a better idea to pull plug and re look at whole approach again.

If they have to have Fox approval for renders get them first, get some game pay vids done, show board game and then war game as separate.

 GrimDork wrote:
That other kickstarter does look kinda neat, too bad I don't have an AvP pledge to drop to go spend on it

Yes, too bad . Hopefully, the whole "I'll drop my pledge!" crowd finds other things to pay attention to. I forgot how big campaigns like this tend to draw folks like that, as I'm usually involved in smaller ones.

Despite the ruckus, it does seem Prodos listened to the feedback (setting up a Google Chat for tomorrow which is open to everyone, showing a clear picture of the board with a grid) and the pledge total has almost recovered to 185K. They also said in the comments that that goal was already unlocked since it was passed earlier, which is always nice.

Basically, there is opportunity to affect this campaign, and the creators do listen, so if you have feedback contacting them (as mentioned earlier) actually works really well, and the Google Chat tomorrow is probably an even better opportunity. Even just posting in the comments, if you are a backer, can get things done- that's how I got more attention on the lack of a wargaming pledge, for instance, even though I think they were already addressing it from my message to them.

As someone interested in this for wargaming, I'll be hoping they add a rulebook plus models pledge level like Isoulle said on the last page here. They have posted in the comments that they plan to actually add 2 more wargaming pledge levels when the rulebook unlocks, so I hope the rulebook is the next stretch goal after the Crusher

"Stimulant drugs"? Call me crazy but I never imagined the predators/yautja being the type to use drugs. I would have thought for sure that with their code of honor they would have at least frowned on that.

Was it a smart decision to go with resin, or would multi-part hard plastic have been better? Theoretically, plastic is better when you can sell a lot of kits due to scale, and you'd imagine that the AvP license would very much help you get that kind of demand. Kickstarter is the perfect way to raise the high capital needed for the expensive plastic moulds too. Wargames Factory have proven they can make excellent, highly detailed plastics such as this plastic mercenary from WWX that was just released in the wild (not to mention all the Dreamforge stuff) so I don't think lack of detail is much of a concern anymore. A well done Kickstarter funding a line of multi-part hard plastic AvP minis for use with their own game or other games would have been a cash cow for years to come.

Personally I'm still hype. I can get the anger over the price. For a board game its expensive. For a minis game its cheap (Go look at Infinity's minis prices, they're obscene especially considering they're half the size). They have stated this is more of a minis gamer kickstarter, the cheaper non-mini official release is designed for the board gaming crowd.

I'm happy with resin, but folks who are used to paying PVC prices (for lower quality, of course) may not be. Polystyrene (hard plastic) is hard to sculpt for, and while WWX and Dreamforge are success stories, Mantic's latest efforts show the challenges it can pose.

Prodos are a resin company, so it makes sense that they're using resin. Anything else would be a shot in the dark / something they'd never produced in before (as will the longer lead time retail board game with simpler plastic models).

 basement.dweller wrote:
I compiled a spreadsheet of the different pledges and made a price comparison based on figures only (inc shipping).
You can view it here : AVP pledge comparison It's nothing fancy, you are welcome to copy it and play with the numbers.

The best value so far is "If it bleeds we can kill it" at £210 (+£10 p&p) with a value of £392 that comes to a 44% discount

Next best is the base pledge really at £75 (+£10) with a value of £145 which comes to 41% discount.

The lowest discount is on the "Looking good there boss" at 31% discount, followed by "Get to the Chopper" at 33% discount.

As it stands - "Real Aliens" (£155) comes out cheaper (38%) than getting a base pledge (£75) + addon pledge (£100) inspite of the
freebies(35-36% depending on wether you are using 1 or 2 accounts). I guess this is more for those that want KS exclusive Berserkers.

It's still early days of course, and I reserve my rights to make a mistake... This includes the 2000 backers stretch and the 185k stretch.
Feel free to comment or suggest fancification. Most likely I'll just update this as stretchgoals are added.

Obviously the discount doesn't do much if you are not really into what's in the base box. I just thought it might be handy.

Thanks for this.


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 Hellfury wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I would have said that a Kickstarter for a licensed AVP board game with highly detailed Aliens, Colonial Marines and Predators would have easily taken in a million dollars. I would have bet money on it. But now....

I would have beg it would have made 3 times that. I figure they were betting on the name selling itself too with their take it or leave it attitude about the game.

Shame.

Now this already looks promising for a similar concept. Why couldn't Prodos do this?
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sentinelgames/total-extinction-battle-for-karnak?ref=activity

Um. No. I'm glad they didn't.

Again, money talks and bs walks.

They only really take notice of criticisms when the funding falters or when it drops.

Damage control is not the way to run a successful business and shame on Fox for handing them the license.

Yes. I said it. its not personal, but again, Fox were fools to hand them the license because if they gave Fox a great presentation in order to get it, and if it was anything like we are seeing, then more the fool are they. And if the presentation was truly great, then we aren't seeing it so shame on Prodos.

I'm not buying it. Not their project concept anyways. I like their models, but clearly, I have a use for them that doesn't require their game to make use of them. I am but a small percentage.

It really does make me sad seeing this not be a blinding and resounding success.

Yes, I contacted Prodos about my concerns very early on. However, I do not like giving my money to people when I have to tell them how to take it. Especially when a large chunk of their backers share the same sentiment as I, yet their same suggestions go unheard as well.... until its time for damage control. And that, my dear Scarlet, is not something that evinces confidence. And so, I just can't be arsed to give much of a damn anymore if they fail or succeed. Hence, £300 lighter pledge than previously made.