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Isoulle wrote:
Personally I'm still hype. I can get the anger over the price. For a board game its expensive. For a minis game its cheap (Go look at Infinity's minis prices, they're obscene especially considering they're half the size).

That's right. Because Infiniti is so preposterously expensive on a per mini basis, AVP is therefore not expensive. Or maybe Infiniti is simply more overpriced and AVP is still too expensive? Maybe?

They have stated this is more of a minis gamer kickstarter, the cheaper non-mini official release is designed for the board gaming crowd.

It's always good to start a kickstarter by telling potential pledgers that you don't really need their money at all to make the product and that you will be releasing an even more accessible product later at a better price. The only think better is an arbitrarily large stretch goal gap to fund the opportunity for pledgers to pay more for add ons.

 RiTides wrote:
Prodos are a resin company, so it makes sense that they're using resin. Anything else would be a shot in the dark / something they'd never produced in before (as will the longer lead time retail board game with simpler plastic models).

That just sounds to me like they weren't a good choice for the license though if they were going to rely on resin if hard plastic was a better option. The AvP license should easily get the scale required for hard plastic so giving it to a resin company was questionable imo. They've designed some really nice minis there's no doubt, but it could have been so much better in the hands of a larger company that could deal with it better.

Dreamforge was a "resin company" until its hard plastic kickstarter too. Prodos could have done the same, outsourced the hard plastic troops and done resin characters/terrain stuff/etc. in house and gotten the best of both worlds. That is of course, if it was a better option which is what I'm trying to ascertain ; p

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Isoulle wrote:
Personally I'm still hype. I can get the anger over the price. For a board game its expensive. For a minis game its cheap (Go look at Infinity's minis prices, they're obscene especially considering they're half the size).

That's right. Because Infiniti is so preposterously expensive on a per mini basis, AVP is therefore not expensive. Or maybe Infiniti is simply more overpriced and AVP is still too expensive? Maybe?

They have stated this is more of a minis gamer kickstarter, the cheaper non-mini official release is designed for the board gaming crowd.

It's always good to start a kickstarter by telling potential pledgers that you don't really need their money at all to make the product and that you will be releasing an even more accessible product later at a better price. The only think better is an arbitrarily large stretch goal gap to fund the opportunity for pledgers to pay more for add ons.

1. Per minis AVP is not very expensive compared to most smaller companies. $8-13 is the average for something the same size or smaller.. Only companies that use plastics or have awful quality can produce stuff for cheaper (As they use economics of scale or hire crappy sculptors and use cheap casting technology because they don't need anything decent quality for low detail minis)

2. Better than lying about it. Besides, what's wrong with having a kickstarter for a single group of people? I mean videogame kickstarters don't expect non-video gamers to pledge and board game kickstarters don't expect non-board game players to pledge. For example I didn't like this kickstarter when it came out because I don't play boardgames. I was sad, but shrugged my shoulders and moved on. Then I read somewhere there will be a mini's game version and I cared. Different things appeal to different people.

 RiTides wrote:
Guys, for those with valid criticisms of this campaign:

I've had 2 suggestions to Prodos so far, and they have answered, and taken my feedback on both of them! The first, was for the 10-pound pledge level to double as shipping cost for international backers (they updated to say that yes, it did). The second, was to add a pledge level without the board game for wargamers. They did this.

For those of you who seriously care about the campaign- contact Prodos via the "contact us" button on Kickstarter. They will respond in all likelihood, and actually listen. Not only for me, but for others, they have done this.

The frustrating part is that valid criticism like Hellfury's gets drowned out in the noise of folks just piling on. Constructive feedback gets taken- I have successfully done so twice now. Just randomly complaining won't get much done, although you of course have that right on a forum. But, if you actually want to affect the campaign, there is opportunity to do so- again, I've done it twice.

Just to chime in, I contacted Prodos on the first (might be second, not sure) day of the campaign.

No reply. So...

With regards to the cards... yikes.

Those cards are terrible for a board game; they only solidify my notion that this is far more a skirmish/wargame then a board game. Seriously now, the information density on those cards is much greater then on, say, a Warmachine/Hordes card.

 Yonan wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Prodos are a resin company, so it makes sense that they're using resin. Anything else would be a shot in the dark / something they'd never produced in before (as will the longer lead time retail board game with simpler plastic models).

That just sounds to me like they weren't a good choice for the license though if they were going to rely on resin if hard plastic was a better option. The AvP license should easily get the scale required for hard plastic so giving it to a resin company was questionable imo. They've designed some really nice minis there's no doubt, but it could have been so much better in the hands of a larger company that could deal with it better.

Dreamforge was a "resin company" until its hard plastic kickstarter too. Prodos could have done the same, outsourced the hard plastic troops and done resin characters/terrain stuff/etc. in house and gotten the best of both worlds. That is of course, if it was a better option which is what I'm trying to ascertain ; p

I would also point out the Kingdom Death was (a far more notable) resin company; massive success allowed them to move production into injection molded plastic. It does not seem so much an issue of company size, as immutable decisions.

Somewhere along the line, the decision was made that individual item pricing would be set very, very high (the Predators are priced at boutique resin prices even in the campaign!). This creates a situation where the possibilities of success are limited.

For example, I'd really like more then one sculpt for the fem Predator. But at a price of 10GBP each(!), it seems far more likely that she will remain the smurfette of this campaign.

Yeah, cards remind me of 1st edition malifaux, i.e. information overload.

KD is a very good comparison, also.

I could care less about the game or the rules. If either turn out good it's a bonus for me. I want figures. My disappointment is the lack of poses (why would I want 2 box sets of Marines in the EXACT same pose) lame. I had really hoped to see all of the Colonial Marines from Aliens movie represented. I wanted to see Arnold and his Special Forces team. Danny Glover and his team from Predator 2. The flight crew from Alien Resurrection. Ripley and Newt. I had hoped that the Predators would be unique and represented from each movie. This has soooooo much potential to have been a blockbuster of a KS. My questions through interpretive dance (greatest line ever BobtheInquisitor)

Why wouldn't you have a game play vid prepared prior to launch?
Why wouldn't you have, at a minimum, renders of the figures you know you're going to offer for the KS?
Why would you make an offer of "invite a friend" that, although generous, you had to know would A) Cause chaos and B) would be a tracking nightmare. "I'm a friend of Machoman! Please make sure he gets credit!"
Why would you have a stretch goal that only grants a select pledge a reward? Then add a lesser reward that only gives the higher pledge level additional freebies and the higher stretch goal still excludes the lower pledge levels?
Why would you put whomever the person is that does the "replies" in that position knowing they are at communicating?
Why after seeing this poor communication and the responses about the poor communication wouldn't you then make immediate corrections?

Answering questions sporadically in the comments section or through PM's isn't going to cut it for those out there wanting information. If it wasn't for people like BrookM (who's now out) most of us would have no idea what's going on.

They should cancel this KS, get their together, and restart it when they have everything worked out. Cause this seems rushed and half at this point. If not this'll be a figure grab for me.

I'm here for figures, too. And they've raised 185K Pounds ($300K?) halfway through a short campaign. Hardly a disaster despite the talk making it out otherwise! If folks want to wait, by all means, wait. I'm here for high quality resin Aliens, and that's what's being offered. Prodos has the license, like it or not, and that's what they do. Not to everyone's tastes, but certainly to mine . I want quality figures over quantity, and that's what's being offered here. Plenty of folks like it, those who don't can get single piece plastic or the like at retail. No one is forced to pledge- just wait if you want a basic board game. But Prodos has the license, so there's no going back in that regard! For me, it's Aliens in high quality resin, and that's a dream come true

 RiTides wrote:
I want quality figures over quantity, and that's what's being offered here.

I want both which is very doable though as you say, sadly not offered here.

 basement.dweller wrote:
I compiled a spreadsheet of the different pledges and made a price comparison based on figures only (inc shipping).
You can view it here : AVP pledge comparison It's nothing fancy, you are welcome to copy it and play with the numbers.

The best value so far is "If it bleeds we can kill it" at £210 (+£10 p&p) with a value of £392 that comes to a 44% discount

Next best is the base pledge really at £75 (+£10) with a value of £145 which comes to 41% discount.

The lowest discount is on the "Looking good there boss" at 31% discount, followed by "Get to the Chopper" at 33% discount.

As it stands - "Real Aliens" (£155) comes out cheaper (38%) than getting a base pledge (£75) + addon pledge (£100) inspite of the
freebies(35-36% depending on wether you are using 1 or 2 accounts). I guess this is more for those that want KS exclusive Berserkers.

It's still early days of course, and I reserve my rights to make a mistake... This includes the 2000 backers stretch and the 185k stretch.
Feel free to comment or suggest fancification. Most likely I'll just update this as stretchgoals are added.

Obviously the discount doesn't do much if you are not really into what's in the base box. I just thought it might be handy.

While you didn't make any glaring mistakes in your comparison that I can see from a quick look, you did seem to within reason err on the side of Prodos whenever making a decision on the value of items. If I ever get into this it'll be at the 75 GBP mark so I'll only compare that. Using your own numbers, at that level *CURRENTLY* we get the base box 75, bezerker 10, free 15 addon, and free 10 model. Prodos in their own calculations sets the value of the core set at 75 and states that there is no discount at that level so I also count it as exactly that value and not that of the individual parts. In effect, I'm getting 110 GBP worth of models per Prodos' own published values at the 85 GBP pledge (including shipping). Factor in tax at 7% in my area and the total cost of picking it up locally when released is 117.7. The discount when compared to that alternative cost is 27% instead of the 41% you mention. Now I fully admit that there are problems inherent to each (like you assuming we'll make 2000 backers when that metric has plunged today and me assuming that the quality of future plastic is equal to the currently offered resin) and both analysis (like the "value" of a bezerker that is only available during the KS and won't be available supposedly at retail) but figured I'd post how a different reasonable set of assumptions comes out to a lower perceived value for the current offerings.

That's the relative value I'm looking at from my decidely 100% pro-consumer standpoint and it's less than 7% lower than simply ordering it from the warstore or 27% lower than ordering at retail when I can see the figures and have almost zero risk regarding the final quality.

We are all in it for the dollies. Let's face it, not many people would fall head over heels for the game if it offered cardboard discs with images of aliens or preds, etc.

So really, the quality of the dollies is only the beginning, or should be. While people like you and I are at least satisfied that these cool dollies are being made, there is an implicite expectation that is reasonable coming from the backers that there is a game attached to this.

The boardgamers are somewhat let down, the wargamers are a teensy bit happier, but overall as a game product as a whole, its kind of flubbed. It needs refinement. It needs better management. The game could be the most revolutionary thing ever, but we wouldn't know with how its poorly being portrayed.

It needs to be scrapped until they can get their gak together and make AVP 2 - electric boogaloo. The actual deluxe edition they are promising. It may actually be best to redux.

Which sucks, because I want my colonial marines this next summer. But I like long term success, not short term satisfaction.

 RiTides wrote:

For those of you who seriously care about the campaign- contact Prodos via the "contact us" button on Kickstarter. They will respond in all likelihood, and actually listen. Not only for me, but for others, they have done this.

The frustrating part is that valid criticism like Hellfury's gets drowned out in the noise of folks just piling on. Constructive feedback gets taken- I have successfully done so twice now. Just randomly complaining won't get much done, although you of course have that right on a forum. But, if you actually want to affect the campaign, there is opportunity to do so- again, I've done it twice.

I'm not a backer and I don't want to go in just to comment so I prefer to post my concerns and constructive criticisms on the official thread for the campaign on one of the most popular forums for minis gaming that the creators of the campaign check semi-regularly. That should be sufficient to at least make the opinion expressed public.

That's totally fine warboss, of course . You can also contact them via the link under their name on KS, or in the Google Chat tomorrow, if you choose

And the bar for success is interesting in these. $300K raised in 10 days is six times Zombicide 1 at this point, over twice Sedition Wars, etc.

$300K might not be what people think is good enough for the franchise, but it's a lot. No way this is getting rebooted fellas, if anything not going into the millions means they'll actually deliver on time, something I would really like for a change! It doesn't need to be millions to be a success. Kingdom Death is awesome, but will be very late... for hand cast resin models, having the total be a bit lower makes it easier to get me my resin Alien goodness . You guys can officially be jealous then . I'll take pics though, I promise

If the game ends up sucking, I'd be up for writing a whole new ruleset...

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
If the game ends up sucking, I'd be up for writing a whole new ruleset...

Or just use the original one

Did we make the Update 12 goal at 170k?

Looks like the 185k goal has been met... again.

 warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

 basement.dweller wrote:
I compiled a spreadsheet of the different pledges and made a price comparison based on figures only (inc shipping).
You can view it here : AVP pledge comparison It's nothing fancy, you are welcome to copy it and play with the numbers.

The best value so far is "If it bleeds we can kill it" at £210 (+£10 p&p) with a value of £392 that comes to a 44% discount

Next best is the base pledge really at £75 (+£10) with a value of £145 which comes to 41% discount.

The lowest discount is on the "Looking good there boss" at 31% discount, followed by "Get to the Chopper" at 33% discount.

As it stands - "Real Aliens" (£155) comes out cheaper (38%) than getting a base pledge (£75) + addon pledge (£100) inspite of the
freebies(35-36% depending on wether you are using 1 or 2 accounts). I guess this is more for those that want KS exclusive Berserkers.

It's still early days of course, and I reserve my rights to make a mistake... This includes the 2000 backers stretch and the 185k stretch.
Feel free to comment or suggest fancification. Most likely I'll just update this as stretchgoals are added.

Obviously the discount doesn't do much if you are not really into what's in the base box. I just thought it might be handy.

While you didn't make any glaring mistakes in your comparison that I can see from a quick look, you did seem to within reason err on the side of Prodos whenever making a decision on the value of items. If I ever get into this it'll be at the 75 GBP mark so I'll only compare that. Using your own numbers, at that level *CURRENTLY* we get the base box 75, bezerker 10, free 15 addon, and free 10 model. Prodos in their own calculations sets the value of the core set at 75 and states that there is no discount at that level so I also count it as exactly that value and not that of the individual parts. In effect, I'm getting 110 GBP worth of models per Prodos' own published values at the 85 GBP pledge (including shipping). Factor in tax at 7% in my area and the total cost of picking it up locally when released is 117.7. The discount when compared to that alternative cost is 27% instead of the 41% you mention. Now I fully admit that there are problems inherent to each (like you assuming we'll make 2000 backers when that metric has plunged today and me assuming that the quality of future plastic is equal to the currently offered resin) and both analysis (like the "value" of a bezerker that is only available during the KS and won't be available supposedly at retail) but figured I'd post how a different reasonable set of assumptions comes out to a lower perceived value for the current offerings.

That's the relative value I'm looking at from my decidely 100% pro-consumer standpoint and it's less than 7% lower than simply ordering it from the warstore or 27% lower than ordering at retail when I can see the figures and have almost zero risk regarding the final quality.

I made the comparison based on their addon prices. If I wanted the same models as in the base pledge (including the freebies) without the actual "game" it would set me back £138-145 (disregarding shipping) instead of £75. I just wanted a comparison sheet to see if it's worthwhile getting a pledge or not, and if so how they stack up against each other. Assuming those are the future prices for their resin, it's quite a nice discount. If we don't get the 2000 backers extra £10, granted - it's £10 less. The campaign is not over yet though and there might still be some stuff adding value to the pledges.

The basic pledge with no freebies and no facehuggers contains figures that would run you £90 pounds. They might have screwed up the pricing somewhere on the addons because they were surprised when I said the base box held £90 worth of figures for £75 while the "Looking good" pledge with £105 worth of credit was £100. This was basically the moment they announced the new pledge as I was one of the people asking for it.

Other than that I just assumed the Berserker was worth £10 as the other preds were £10
The facehuggers come out at £2 a piece (£10 for 5).
The thing I am unsure of is how many Berserkers and 2000 pledgers stretch you can get on one account with multiple pledges. I assumed just 1 of each.

Thanks for your input.

 Forlorn wrote:
Did we make the Update 12 goal at 170k?

This is just awaiting one of the creator's wife to give birth as it was tied to that as a gift. Hoping for a pic of the happy family to go with it

In typical Dakka fashion, many of you really don't understand this KS and few actually read about what it is for.

It is for the deluxe version of the game. What does that mean? Welp, it means you will NEVER be able to buy this version at a retailer, so any of you smartguys thinking you'll just pick it up from Warstore or your local shop? Nope, sorry.

As stated by Prodos, the retail version with the plastic pieces is already being funded via 20th Century Fox. It is due out late next year. This Kickstarter is NOT for that. What do the plastic pieces look like? No idea really, but I would assume along the lines of say Zombiecide or something. Decent detail, but not like resin can give you.

Back it. Don't back it. Prodos has a plan they are following, some of you may or may not agree with. It's fine. I can tell you they certainly aren't going to stop this whole campaign because a couple of internet geeks think they should.

Do I agree with all of it? Nope, I'd love to see more Predator stuff right now. Will I end up seeing more eventually? Yup, at some point.

Warzone Resurrection is a great game of theirs and the minis are fantastic. That's what I am here for. Are they Mantic or Reaper? Nope. Their quality is heads above both of those, so I am happy to pay for it (I also have given Mantic boatloads of money over 3 kickstarters).

So by all means, keep up the typical complaining and entitlement. I know, I know, its your right as a consumer to yell to the heavens about every little thing you perceive as something outside of your expectations, even when it isn't. Its Dakka. Its what you guys do. Meanwhile, I'll lock in my cash for some minis I've waited 20+ years for.

Enjoy

 kaiohx wrote:
In typical Dakka fashion, many of you really don't understand this KS and few actually read about what it is for.

It is for the deluxe version of the game. What does that mean? Welp, it means you will NEVER be able to buy this version at a retailer, so any of you smartguys thinking you'll just pick it up from Warstore or your local shop? Nope, sorry.

As stated by Prodos, the retail version with the plastic pieces is already being funded via 20th Century Fox. It is due out late next year. This Kickstarter is NOT for that. What do the plastic pieces look like? No idea really, but I would assume along the lines of say Zombiecide or something. Decent detail, but not like resin can give you.

For someone going on a mini-rant about reading comprehension on dakka, you seemed to have missed some pertinent details yourself.

 kaiohx wrote:
In typical Dakka fashion, many of you really don't understand this KS and few actually read about what it is for.

It is for the deluxe version of the game. What does that mean? Welp, it means you will NEVER be able to buy this version at a retailer, so any of you smartguys thinking you'll just pick it up from Warstore or your local shop? Nope, sorry.

As stated by Prodos, the retail version with the plastic pieces is already being funded via 20th Century Fox. It is due out late next year. This Kickstarter is NOT for that. What do the plastic pieces look like? No idea really, but I would assume along the lines of say Zombiecide or something. Decent detail, but not like resin can give you.

Back it. Don't back it. Prodos has a plan they are following, some of you may or may not agree with. It's fine. I can tell you they certainly aren't going to stop this whole campaign because a couple of internet geeks think they should.

Do I agree with all of it? Nope, I'd love to see more Predator stuff right now. Will I end up seeing more eventually? Yup, at some point.

Warzone Resurrection is a great game of theirs and the minis are fantastic. That's what I am here for. Are they Mantic or Reaper? Nope. Their quality is heads above both of those, so I am happy to pay for it (I also have given Mantic boatloads of money over 3 kickstarters).

So by all means, keep up the typical complaining and entitlement. I know, I know, its your right as a consumer to yell to the heavens about every little thing you perceive as something outside of your expectations, even when it isn't. Its Dakka. Its what you guys do. Meanwhile, I'll lock in my cash for some minis I've waited 20+ years for.

Enjoy

Well that was a minute of my life I'll never get back. What was the point of your post again? Oh that's right. To complain on dakka about people complaining on dakka. Got it.

 Yonan wrote:

That just sounds to me like they weren't a good choice for the license though if they were going to rely on resin if hard plastic was a better option. The AvP license should easily get the scale required for hard plastic so giving it to a resin company was questionable imo. They've designed some really nice minis there's no doubt, but it could have been so much better in the hands of a larger company that could deal with it better.

Dreamforge was a "resin company" until its hard plastic kickstarter too. Prodos could have done the same, outsourced the hard plastic troops and done resin characters/terrain stuff/etc. in house and gotten the best of both worlds. That is of course, if it was a better option which is what I'm trying to ascertain ; p

they weren't a good choice for the license

This is pretty much it right here.



It's nice that so many people love boutique resins, but it is 2013.


I guess you could say that Prodos is mostly...




alienating their core demographic.


Mostly.


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Isoulle wrote:


1. Per minis AVP is not very expensive compared to most smaller companies. $8-13 is the average for something the same size or smaller.. Only companies that use plastics or have awful quality can produce stuff for cheaper (As they use economics of scale or hire crappy sculptors and use cheap casting technology because they don't need anything decent quality for low detail minis)

Aliens vs Predator should not, not, not be a niche-of-a-niche, small boutique license! Only the biggest or the most obscure TTWG companies charge that much for grunts. AVP isn't a big enough franchise to utilize an economy of scale??

PS: Only companies that use plastics can be cheaper-->Prodos is the wrong company. Plastics are the present. Not the future. The present.

2. Better than lying about it. Besides, what's wrong with having a kickstarter for a single group of people? I mean videogame kickstarters don't expect non-video gamers to pledge and board game kickstarters don't expect non-board game players to pledge. For example I didn't like this kickstarter when it came out because I don't play boardgames. I was sad, but shrugged my shoulders and moved on. Then I read somewhere there will be a mini's game version and I cared. Different things appeal to different people.

Either way, Prodos was going to expand a (successful..?) board game into a tabletop wargame. Either way, there would have been units and add-ons available for backers.

So, Kickstarter is "supposed" to fund a project or help improve it. This kickstarter is not funding or improving the retail version of the game. When customers buy the retail version of the game and find any reason whatsoever to feel dissatisfied, this pair of facts will act as a rage multiplier. And the customer would be absolutely right.

Why should Prodos use the Kickstarter and all this money/publicity/feedback to perfect their boutique collector's range for grognards when they could be using it to improve or fine-tune their mainstream retail product based on a beloved property? Which of those two products has more potential to keep the lights on in Prodos Tower for years to come? Which one of those products will bring more people to the Prodos website to look at their other fine products? Which one will bring in more money and more customers to support the tabletop wargame range?


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 kaiohx wrote:
In typical Dakka fashion, many of you really don't understand this KS and few actually read about what it is for.

It is for the deluxe version of the game. What does that mean? Welp, it means you will NEVER be able to buy this version at a retailer, so any of you smartguys thinking you'll just pick it up from Warstore or your local shop? Nope, sorry.

Can you provide me a link to where Prodos stated this, please? I would like to see this for myself.

Using a Kickstarter to fund a product that you never intend to sell at retail is all kinds of ...well, I think it will give me enough material for a dozen more posts easily. What a cunning plan.

(For the record, I would prefer the plastic board game pieces anyway over flimsy, overpriced resin. Unless they're terribad. But then, there would be the sweet schadenfreude of seeing shelf after shelf of unsold merchandise gathering dust as Prodos struggles for relevance.)

So by all means, keep up the typical complaining and entitlement. I know, I know, its your right as a consumer to yell to the heavens about every little thing you perceive as something outside of your expectations, even when it isn't. Its Dakka. Its what you guys do. Meanwhile, I'll lock in my cash for some minis I've waited 20+ years for.

Enjoy

Well, if you like taking whatever is given to you, paying out the noose and every other orifice for it, and begging for more, there's this game-making workshop I should introduce you to. They seem like your kind of people.

Was there any serious discussion on the characters, such as the Newt sculpt in there?

I'd throw down a few extra pounds for some of that action that was alluded to earlier from the other poster.

Arnald and his crew, Hicks and the rest of the squad, even for the characters from the rest of the films, any way of getting some at least, facsimilies of the characters from the comics?

Herk Mondo comes to mind.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (possibly in this thread?) that the actor's likenesses aren't included in the licence. That makes sense, as I've seen it before with these licences - I'm (or was - I've been priced out of new stuff!) a Hot Toys collector, and the Aliens line of Colonial Marines didn't have the actors' likenesses, and hence only looked vaguely like their characters. Essentially, makers of licenced product need to contact the actors (for the older, original films) individually and work out deals. This becomes problematic with so many actors and differing opinions of the worth of their likenesses (when they need to be bought separately and on top of the film licences..

Hence:
Billy From Predator (Sonny Landham)



Kane from Alien (William Hurt)



As for the Kickstarter, resin and prices. Well, regardless of whether I like it or not, or think it's good enough value or not (no to both) - what's being Kickstarted here isn't the boardgame, or a game (they're clearly fumbling around in the dark with both) - what they're Kickstarting here is a boutique resin miniature line, with too-expensive-for-me-especially-via-KS-a-year-in-advance price point. This stuff has little relevance to the game directly, they're going to have their boxed game, with mass-market plastics. Which may be good, bad or ugly - while these figures are the high-priced, boutique "collector's editions" sold on their website for a packet.

For many of us, particularly gamers, these aren't the figures we're looking for - those figures may never be made, as Prodos is skipping affordable resin troops like Victoria Minis' new/remastered stuff, and trying to go the McVey Studios path with them. For me, it's too much, but I do see what they're doing. I'd prefer to spend that kind of AVP-cash on things like this and this.
YMMV.

 Hellfury wrote:
It needs to be scrapped until they can get their gak together and make AVP 2 - electric boogaloo.

AVP2- Electric Boogaloo = Best Movie in Franchise

One irony one is seeing is that there are people who are suddenly finding this KS for the first time and didn't realise it was running.

It would have been better to have a linger lead with a big 2014 new year release plan.

From earlier comments it sounds like they are not able to produce any miniatures in the likeness of characters from the movie which seems a really odd term to have in there.

I am happy with the resin miniatures so far, boardgame is a nice bonus, I will up my pledge at the end to include the resin terrain. Currently 300k US$ is a lot of money for a 3 person company. And if 1200 people want to buy the more expensive Deluxe boardgame, I see no problem for the cheaper retail version with single piece plastic miniatures.
There I said it.

As I just explained - it's to do with licencing. Back in those dark, old days - like the mid-late 1980's, actors didn't routinely sign away their likeness rights as part of their acting contacts for films. This means that individual licencors have to chase up each actor that they want to licence since Fox doesn't own their film likenesses. Oddly, people like Ahnuld charge a reasonable amount - probably more than is reasonable for a three-man operation like Prodos to afford.

 BrookM wrote:
After giving it some more thought I'm deciding to pull out myself, in the end this just isn't for me.

I don't know who you are... or how you got access to Brook's account, but i warn you i have a unique set of skills, skills which will bore a person like you but not brookM. Give him back his colonial marines and I'll let you go free without talking about colonial marines.