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It's probably worth noting that, considering that the Praetorian and all the other Aliens we've seen thus far have been based on the organic look, it's pretty likely that the Warriors are going to be AVP:R Warriors rather than Aliens...

Personally I'm glad Prodos got the rights. Mantis might have been cheaper but their sculpt quality would have been much lower. Mantic does prices well but quality, not so much. (Probably how they keep prices down, cheaper sculpters + cheaper casting technology).

Isoulle wrote:
Personally I'm glad Prodos got the rights. Mantis might have been cheaper but their sculpt quality would have been much lower. Mantic does prices well but quality, not so much. (Probably how they keep prices down, cheaper sculpters + cheaper casting technology).

The problem comes when making new designs for their own new IPs. When working from current designs - aliens, marines and predators all have well established designs, they'd easily be able to get as good sculpts for these imo.

I disagree about that (as what's the difference between trying to match an Aliens look versus concept art for something else?), but we're getting kind of far afield now! I also don't dispute that restic can reach a wider audience- cheaper models result in a bigger pool of people willing to chip in funds.

I'm just saying there's definitely a market for well cast resin, and I for one am glad to pay the difference in price for (what I see as) a substantial difference in quality between hand cast resin like Forgeworld, Kingdom Death's direct order models, and Prodos, versus something like Privateer Press / Mantic / etc casts done in restic. Definitely not wanting to pick on Mantic here- I backed Mars Attacks, after all! It's just a different material for a different purpose.

The price here still seems fine to me. It's the wait that's looming. And the style of handling this KS over the course of a year+ to wait it out is not so appealing. I would have no problem ordering these resin sculpt for these prices if they were available today and a few people had already gotten theirs.

That's a very fair point Manchu, although the wait is projected to be 6 months and not a year... although we all know how Kickstarters tend to slip a bit in delivery dates.

Warzone builds confidence they will be on time ... but this one, I'm sad to say, undermines it. As you said, perhaps staying small here will be a blessing.

Oh god restic... The promise of restic and the reality of it is akin to going home with a pretty girl and finding manly bits... Not what you'd expect and definitely a pain in the arse.

 basement.dweller wrote:
Oh god restic... The promise of restic and the reality of it is akin to going home with a pretty girl and finding manly bits... Not what you'd expect and definitely a pain in the arse.

Have you seen the new formula for Dreadball wave 3 and Deadzone? It looks (and by all accounts feels) great now, much better than the older stuff. But I'll let the subject rest, hard plastic or restic resulting in many more minis (and backers) is what I'd like, but no biggie. Like many I have a large backlog of projects already!

So, are the actual "things" you get with the pledge levels really hard to understand with this, or am I just stupid?

If I go in at the payback level ($200USD) what exactly do I get?

Having the image telling you what you get say "see the updates" is pretty bad form. I went to have a look to see what the value was at now but said screw it at that stage.

You get the game, plus $100 (£60) credit, plus all unlocked stretch goals, which I won't list.

 Sheep wrote:
You get the game, plus $100 (£60) credit, plus all unlocked stretch goals, which I won't list.

But the stretch goals are confusing. Some are add ons. Some only affect some levels.

For instance, one of them reads like the payback level gets an additional £10 to spend. So does that mean it gets £70 credit now?

Ok, I'll see if I can help.

- free facehuggers (# based on pledge)
- free add on = squad of aliens/marines/a pred
- free berzerker model (ks exclusive)
- one free model (pred alien/ hound/ sentry guns)
- additional £10 of credit to buy whatever you want

2 more to be unlocked
-cloaked preds
-more credit.

Hope that helps

 Yonan wrote:

 basement.dweller wrote:
Oh god restic... The promise of restic and the reality of it is akin to going home with a pretty girl and finding manly bits... Not what you'd expect and definitely a pain in the arse.

Have you seen the new formula for Dreadball wave 3 and Deadzone? It looks (and by all accounts feels) great now, much better than the older stuff. But I'll let the subject rest, hard plastic or restic resulting in many more minis (and backers) is what I'd like, but no biggie. Like many I have a large backlog of projects already!

I'm all for a fantastic plastic blend I'm not sure it's possible as they all have pvc in the mix which has some specific drawbacks that come with the advantages. The advantages as I see it befall the producers to a higher degree. Obviously it's cheaper for us, but it's much much cheaper for them. As far as formulas go, they are all different and kinda secret afaik and if one company gets it right it doesn't mean that restic is good. It just means that one company got it right. I got in on Deadzone before I had the misfortune of dealing with restic. I am hoping it will be a better experience than SW, but I won't know until I can handle the material.


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Pledge price comparison chart updated to show current value and fully unlocked value.

I am still not sure of how many of certain stretch goals you are eligible for if picking another pledge as an addon. For now I am assuming 1 each of the Berserker and 2000 backers pledge.
If all stretches are unlocked the base pledge has the hands down best value at 54% discount (as compared to addon prices).
"Get to the Chopper" is not that good and will end up the worst of the lot once more pledges unlock... You are better off getting multiple smaller pledges at that pricepoint.

 Sheep wrote:
Ok, I'll see if I can help.

- free facehuggers (# based on pledge)
- free add on = squad of aliens/marines/a pred
- free berzerker model (ks exclusive)
- one free model (pred alien/ hound/ sentry guns)
- additional £10 of credit to buy whatever you want

2 more to be unlocked
-cloaked preds
-more credit.

Hope that helps

That does a lot. Thanks. I thought that's where it was, but when I saw the additional £10 credit I got confused. Cheers.

 warboss wrote:


Mars Attack was actually a bit of an anomaly at the end as its tail was markedly smaller than its head. In most big name kickstarters, the tail is at least as big as the initial rush and in some cases much bigger if the KS was run very well or was quite generous. Mars Attack has a few days of losing money that was finally partially corrected in time for the final 48 hour tail.

The MA losing money days coincided perfectly with the startup of the AVP KS...

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So we'll probably get another amazing-looking KS start up a few days before the end of this one, and the same people who moved on from MA to this one will carry their money over to that..

Really hope we can get to £290k in any case, it would be criminal if this KS were to be released without a Queen miniature!

The queen should never have been a KS goal as really is part of the game.

Marines, preds and aliens (warriors/drones,Facehuggers, queen) are what the game is about so should they be KS goals IMHO 'no'. The goals really would have looked better with early bird free postage, additional add-ons or at later date free figure from new range for x months after release etc.

The goals want to be Elite aliens, or elder Predators, unique marines, civvies, convicts, resin scenery.

Having a basic rule set from the go and having vids to show possible game play would have helped. If you are going to have Board game/war game have pledge levels that allow the crowd to choose their variant or preferred game type choice.

Once they had confirmed the licence spoke to the community to see what they would have liked to see in a game an generate more fan input and spread the word, even if you don't use anything from whats said it gets people talking.

Have options to expand the rule books with more background fluff if they reach new stretch goals.

The whole thing just feels so uner wealming, and one is not trying to insult Prodos, and they have some nice sculpts but it just feels just a bit limp with the whole thing.

One reason why one has pulled out, may look to drop in last minute if picks up but well..... :{

 adlard.matthew wrote:
The queen should never have been a KS goal as really is part of the game.

Couldn't disagree more. Can you imagine what that would do to the base cost of the game? Or the size of the box? She can't even fit in most of the hallways!

People just really seem to be down about the whole thing, as is their right, but it's been such a great thing to even have this come out at all. I mean they're giving people the option of RESIN miniatures instead of mass released plastic as the only option. Who does that after securing the rights to a major IP like this? I really can't see griping about the details or the operations of the thing instead of focusing on the opportunity it affords.

I think the live chat last night was very good - asides from the JJ Abram Lens Flare(c) They definitely did a better job in selling the product and their dedication to the project, and now we're just over the £190k stretch. Here's hoping for a push onwards and upwards. £100k in 10 days? yeah - no worries on that. What I want to know is, when we get after £290, what's at £300k ? Dropship anyone?

Posting up the remaining stretch goals is a great idea, Power Loader looks like a USMC goal so presume it will be a weaponised version... Not sure on the Cloacked Predator though (spellcheck and proofing guys...)

190k £ (306k US$) reached and Alien Crusher unlocked.

 Yonan wrote:
That's why at the time, I said "What if Mantic had the license".

That's simple. No previews until you paid. Okay concepts but sculpts with distorted proportions, weird and repetitive poses and odd scaling. Materials changed without notice. Subpar and defective products shipped without quality control and a "we know its crap but it's already shipped" comment by the producer

Good thing Mantic never has enough money for a licence like that.

Comment from Prodos on cost / contents of the expansion sets referenced in the video...

Much more less than the starter box, I think with 12 models + tiles around £35 max mark.

 Kroothawk wrote:
That's simple.

If it was simple you wouldn't have failed to grasp it so badly.

So, on the whole 'we don't have licence for actor's faces' debate - surely this opens up a market for other miniature producers to sculpt several dozen 'not' figures - in fact there is already a group of marines who could easily fight (and die) with a Predator in the jungle.

Update time!

Update #16 Nov 19, 2013
£210 Stretch Goal

The £210k stretch goal is the add on for a hardback version of the Board and Wargame Rules. If unlocked this product will be a full colour and lush document of approximately 150 pages for £25.



Concept

We have now passed the £190k Stretch Goal and so can add-on the Alien Crusher:



And here is the update of the table showing all the pledge levels and what is so far unlocked. The Prodos baby hasn't yet arrived, but when it does each pledger of 'We're in the Pipe' and above will additionally get £10 more of add-ons.



And we announce all the further Stretch Goals: (I'm spoilering this since it was posted on the last page)

Spoiler:

Rulebook looks sweet! Looking forward to their adding 2 wargaming pledge levels once it unlocks

Also, there are two separate £10 add-on bonuses coming shortly- one, waiting on the creator's baby to be born and given to all backers as a "thank you" gift. The other, at 200K. So that's £20 of add-ons that everyone will be getting for free. Pretty sweet! Neither one is in the Free Add-Ons chart above yet, of course, since the criteria for neither has quite been yet (the baby hasn't arrived, and we haven't hit 200K yet).

Very much like that rulebook. Glad it's hardback. Hopefully it's printed well, anybody have experience with the Warzone rulebook in terms of quality. Retailing the book at 25 quid isn't a bad move at all.

If i've said it once, somebody else has said it and then I've said it again... RENDERS! RENDERS! RENDERS! Seriously Prodos, have a word with Fox and say that sneak peeking stuff is actually helping the campaign. If the put a disclaimer saying "designs subject to change pending final approval" or something I think people would like that better than not being able to see anything!

Agreed, although some of you guys didn't seem as impressed by the Praetorian render sneak peak as I was . It definitely indicates to me that the Warriors will not have smooth heads, which is all that really bothered me about the infants/stalkers. I'll be getting 20-30 warriors, depending on what the price of the Queen ends up being (that is, if we get there by the end, of course!).

 Medium of Death wrote:
Very much like that rulebook. Glad it's hardback. Hopefully it's printed well, anybody have experience with the Warzone rulebook in terms of quality. Retailing the book at 25 quid isn't a bad move at all.

If i've said it once, somebody else has said it and then I've said it again... RENDERS! RENDERS! RENDERS! Seriously Prodos, have a word with Fox and say that sneak peeking stuff is actually helping the campaign. If the put a disclaimer saying "designs subject to change pending final approval" or something I think people would like that better than not being able to see anything!

The Warzone rulebook, at the very least, is up amongst the best quality books I own. Easily stands with my Infinity and MERCS books in terms of printing quality as well as internal art (especially the new art assets which they used instead of just resting on the laurels of Warzone's awesome art pedigree). If the AvP book is anything like the Warzone book, it will be a good purchase.

Alright, back to the vault of gaming stuff to console myself about not being able to get in to this one. Building a few more Warzone minis should help the pain.

Thanks for the first-hand observations, Ronin!

I'm going to put my revised pledge allocation here now that all the stretches are shown. It could change if they add new wargaming pledge levels, but at least I'll have a starting point . Spoilered since it's mostly for me to keep track: