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Comments seem to have exploded, what's the chat?

Just to update guys- the latest stretch only applies to "Real Aliens", but it seems Prodos is making the "baby stretch" apply to everybody (i.e. 75 pounds and up). That would give every level an extra 10 pounds of add-ons, which would be a very nice gesture

MoD- I think it's just discussion of pledge levels, as well as Prodos putting out the new stretch goal chart (which, as mentioned, removed the "Payback time or higher" text below the baby stretch, and made this latest only for "Real Aliens" and up).

2 new wargaming pledge levels are supposed to be added when the rulebook unlocks. I really hope one of them is in the 155 - 175 range, and includes the hardback wargaming rulebook instead of the board game, as then it would benefit from this stretch, too

Here is the Predator gang..




and at a mere price of £32.00 or 51.53US for 7 figures.

http://www.rogueminiatures.co.uk/index.php/gun-miniatures/dogs-of-war-7set-miniature.html

 Medium of Death wrote:
Comments seem to have exploded, what's the chat?

new update. £10 of addons for real aliens ain't from mars (£155) or higher ...

 Medium of Death wrote:
Comments seem to have exploded, what's the chat?

Been that way for a few days, running 1000 or so comments per day...

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 Forlorn wrote:
Here is the Predator gang..

and at a mere price of £32.00 or 51.53US for 7 figures.

http://www.rogueminiatures.co.uk/index.php/gun-miniatures/dogs-of-war-7set-miniature.html

That's is one wussy minigun.

They seriously keep screwing up by making these adjustments of higher pledge levels more valuable into stretch goals.

What happened to stuff like mission markers fro preds and marines? Ugh. This damn KS is all over the place. Trying to cater to everyone, is alientating more than it is drawing in.

Is it a boardgame? Sure! Here have a wargame rulebook to help you out.
Is it a wargame? Sure! here are some cards for basic level play that is clearly for scrubs.
Is it a waffle iron? Sure! we even include ginsu knives! ..... please don't drop your pledge.....

Well, if they did indeed change the "baby stretch" to affect everybody, that helps lessen the blow considerably.

But I agree, stretches that apply to everybody (i.e. every goal after this one!) can't come fast enough!

I have mixed feelings about the Predator crew--there's some great in there--but the proportions seems a bit strange--can't put my exact finger on it.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I have mixed feelings about the Predator crew--there's some great in there--but the proportions seems a bit strange--can't put my exact finger on it.

Maybe because they remind you of the village people? Maybe that is just me...

Is there any guarantee that the baby will be born before the end of this KS?

The Warzone rulebook, at the very least, is up amongst the best quality books I own. Easily stands with my Infinity and MERCS books in terms of printing quality as well as internal art (especially the new art assets which they used instead of just resting on the laurels of Warzone's awesome art pedigree). If the AvP book is anything like the Warzone book, it will be a good purchase.

That's high praise indeed, the latest Infinity rule books are absolutely awesome so if it's up at that level we have nothing whatsoever to worry about.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I have mixed feelings about the Predator crew--there's some great in there--but the proportions seems a bit strange--can't put my exact finger on it.

Just to confirm, that was just a post Forlorn made just to give us a 'Wowwww!' moment followed immediately by an 'uurgggghhhh..' as we realise the cast from the film aren't in this KS

If only Prodos could get permission to make the cast of Predator in their ProCast. They could make them incredible!

 RiTides wrote:
Just to update guys- the latest stretch only applies to "Real Aliens", but it seems Prodos is making the "baby stretch" apply to everybody (i.e. 75 pounds and up). That would give every level an extra 10 pounds of add-ons, which would be a very nice gesture

Did they actually explicitly say that or is that an inference from the lack of the previous minimum stretch level for 10 GBP? Since they seem ok with telling people to look at previous updates for details I don't think they'd be opposed to using the same tactic. I don't agree though as I think personally it's a bad idea to tell customers to search for reasons to give you money instead of just telling them clearly upfront.

There's currently a discrepancy- earlier, they were saying the "baby stretch" only applied to "Payback Time" and higher. They removed that, and typed that it applied to "In The Pipe" and higher, but didn't update the freebie chart (and in fact posted a chart showing it only for "Payback Time" and higher). I'm hoping they'll clarify that soon. Obviously, when the baby is born they will likely make an update announcing it, but I've emailed them about the discrepancy to see if they can clarify sooner.

I dropped mine to the 75 GBP level.

Theres just too much hang time between funding and release to really get behind it when you know the stuff is coming out later. Not to mention the greed inlaced in the project, I was supposed to be swearing off KS projects this year, and between this one and the cowboy stuff, I've thrown down enough cash for the year.

As of now, a standard game is fine for me to get going and really enjoy this on the scale it deserves. Hope it scales up with the 1/48 vehicle, but if not it will be fine with just -playing out of the box and getting up to tabletop standard for the rest of the release.

Hate to say it but the way in which this is evolving is just getting to be looking like a hot mess. Yes, you get all sorts of lickies and chewies, but they are just giving the impression of trying to squeeze every ounce of cash out of you like its coming out next week or so.

Today has actually been a really good day, currently over 198K... I'd guess it will have broken through tomorrow morning:



If the "baby stretch" applies to all pledge levels, and they add a few good wargaming pledge levels when the rulebook unlocks, the value will be just fine imo.

Another freebie added but only to certain levels and not the one that I'd be interested in pledging. I'm not sure why they're intent on making it so hard to keep track of who is getting what with upcoming goals. Simply giving everyone something but having it commensurate with their pledge level seems to me like a much better idea (so 5 GBP with in the pipe, 10 with paypack, 15 with it bleeds). YMMV.

I agree warboss... really hoping the 10 pound "thank you" bonus for when the baby comes is for every level, as that would help offset it.

Its interesting to watch the KS

Is it a boardgame? Sure! Here have a wargame rulebook to help you out.
Is it a wargame? Sure! here are some cards for basic level play that is clearly for scrubs.
Is it a waffle iron? Sure! we even include ginsu knives! ..... please don't drop your pledge.....

Cute ... and some what apt, as been watching the other fan boards for Aliens and such and the biggest thing apart from what project has been what is this? As a lot of fans of AVP do not game and so you have been seeing comments like so its monopoly or computer game orsuch and why the price.

Prodos really seem to have missed the main crowd with this KS and would have been better working out what they are upto as in Board game, war game, and then doing videos separating them.

A vid for the board game and what it is, how it plays, same for the war game. From a beginners starting point it would help those who are not gamers to understand what's going on and develop more fan based support by chatting to the fan sites and forums prior to the KS release would have one far more for them.

Disagree. This way they're playing to their strengths and focusing on that share of the market that they can actually cater to best.
Besides, have you ever tried to sell *any* high-quality models or such to a BG crowd? Fethers consider €75 spent on an entire system expensive - you just can't do the really fun stuff when those guys have to be your main focus.

Exactly, bringing in us wargamers is a smart move for Prodos and what they've done before. They're having open play of the game this weekend (and did so yesterday) and some UK folks are going to go and report back everything (I'm hoping even record).

And that wargame rulebook is dead sexy!

Bringing in the war gamers is a smart move, but not at the exclusion of the board gamers, especially when even the base product for this KS is a deluxe version of an upcoming board game.

Lack of any real detail about how the boxed board game is going to play at this stage is bad. Lack of real detail about the components other than the figures is bad.

A proper retail version has a lot of potential. Think of how many copies of Heroscape and similar mass release boardgames with miniatures have distributed and sold.

I get the impression the board game, even though it is the basis for the KS, was and is really nothing but an afterthought. I suspect if it wasn't included in a licensing agreement it would not be happening.

It seems, based on what we've been shown so far, that Prodos is stuck within their safety bubble of great figures and using the crutch of the Warzone rules rather than really bringing creative effort into making the board game great. And again, a great retail version has the potential to outsell the war game and the resin figures.

Just seems like lost opportunity.

Hopefully I'm wrong. It would be nice if Prodos would set me straight.

I agree with CptJake.

If this license was handled by someone who understood its diverse fanbase, as well as the gaming market as a whole, and not just one small aspect of that market, this KS would have easily joined the ranks of other million dollar plus games.

As it is now, I feel like the KS is run by a bunch of gamers who only understand the market for the games they play.

On a side note, am I the only one who doesn't like a large portion of the actual miniatures shown? I agree the detail on them is awesome, but some of them seem to have a "chiseled" look where things should be more rounded and some of the poses look awkward to me.

Just broke 200k, let's see if it sticks.

BTW that's 323k US$.

I have a hard time following the Ks page, it's very disorganized compared to most of the previous KS pages I've backed. I have a very hard time understanding what the various pledges translate to in regard to product. Maybe I'm the only one but I am very confused as to what is actually being offered, but I can't help but think that page being a jumble might be keeping others from backing.

Based on the pics I really like the minis but it's not an easy page to figure out which doesn't encourage me to pledge. The timing is also horrible, so late in the year means I have no budget. It's a shame as the minis do look great.

Yeah, the page could use some help

Thanks for that Kroot, as the conversion does make it hard to see where this is really at. I just am happy to be over 200K, because as one KS comment put it "And now the 90k climb to greatness begins."

Also, because now the next stretch is that beautiful wargaming rulebook, which should result in the addition of 2 new wargaming pledge levels. Woot!

Does anybody know at what point pledge manager finals would need to be submitted by?

I'm wondering if it's possible to toss in a minimum pledge then wait until after Christmas to adjust my pledge as I'd have a much better grasp on what my post holidays budget will be.

 paulson games wrote:
I have a hard time following the Ks page, it's very disorganized compared to most of the previous KS pages I've backed. I have a very hard time understanding what the various pledges translate to in regard to product. Maybe I'm the only one but I am very confused as to what is actually being offered, but I can't help but think that page being a jumble might be keeping others from backing.

Based on the pics I really like the minis but it's not an easy page to figure out which doesn't encourage me to pledge. The timing is also horrible, so late in the year means I have no budget. It's a shame as the minis do look great.

Oh believe you me, I have the cash to throw at it, the KS page really just put it over the end for me. Your not the only one. Thats why I stuck with 75, and really give a damn if anything else comes with it.

apperently 75 pounds is chicken feed, so not worth the bother that the higher pledges are supposed to grease out of the goose.


Minis might be great, walk around on the table on thier own, and do flips, that doesn't do well when your jamming them like that, AND trying to cater to everyone but who your trying to sell a game to.

Pledges are broken, disorganized, and smack of greedy git switcharoo.

Kickstartersuccess-itis is going to bite this one hard.

"Oh sorry fellows, we're going to be 6 more months late..." or some sort of gak. Which sucks, because I'd drop hard cash on this one in a hot second if I could just get the game without a gak load of gimmick.

They were on-time with Warzone, weren't they? And this is for less models. They've shown that they can cast high quality resin models in a timely fashion, so I don't know where that speculation is coming from.