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Quick, someone doctor up the second drone image to be "haters gonna hate"

These all look good. They look like good models and look like the movies. If it has a good game associated with it and no other KS game looks better then I might get some.

I have to say the way that arm sits looks far too high on the drone. I hope it it's just a trick of the picture.

Did the Aliens just stroll around a lot?
I think the Alien minis reflect my biggest reason for not being interested in this game, I just don't see a TTG capturing the feeling of the movies. Maybe a co-op game.
Having a bunch of bugs milling around on the board looking like they are going to pick up some smokes just isn't very evocative.

The big problem is, those pictures are not new. We've seen them linked to before. More than halfway through the fricking campaign and they 'officially' show pictures we've already seen.

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, how about showing us the sprues from the hour long video in nice hi res shots? Or new pics of new renders and figures? Or the other game components?

 RiTides wrote:
Quick, someone doctor up the second drone image to be "haters gonna hate"

Really? At fifteen pounds for five, the minis leave a lot to be desired. Weren't you the one saying the boutique resin prices were reasonable because the quality was there? This is the equivalent of giving a Jurassic Park game a brontosaurus* sculpt and charging premium for it.


*Brontosaurus being a false dinosaur that isn't in the popular first book. But it's close enough, right? A sauropod's a sauropod.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Weren't you the one saying the boutique resin prices were reasonable because the quality was there?

The quality is there, quite clearly in fact. Those may not be the Aliens you're looking for, but they're very good models from a technical point of view.

Expecting the sculpts to be accurate goes with the territory for what they are charging and the market they are catering to.

The larger market probably wouldn't be as critical if they were getting a fun game, at a reasonable price, with ready to play components.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Weren't you the one saying the boutique resin prices were reasonable because the quality was there?

The quality is there, quite clearly in fact. Those may not be the Aliens you're looking for, but they're very good models from a technical point of view.

Exactly...

And Bob, I'm not pledging for any drones. I'm going all add-ons, and thus all Alien Warriors. I want non-smooth heads, and those are also 5 for 15 pounds. And yes, I think that's a reasonble price for official Aliens models that are 37mm tall (they gave the measurement during the Google Chat).

Depends if you hate the organic look enough to swear off of any other design altogether...

 CptJake wrote:
The big problem is, those pictures are not new. We've seen them linked to before. More than halfway through the fricking campaign and they 'officially' show pictures we've already seen.

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, how about showing us the sprues from the hour long video in nice hi res shots? Or new pics of new renders and figures? Or the other game components?

Here are the rest that have been floating around that Prodos simply can't be bothered to post themselves on the KS that have been posted since the dawn of the KS.

Heaven forbid they be accused of promoting their game themselves.







I'm fething winded from posting all of those pics. Can I haz £200k+ too since I've done more work than them?

hmm there's 6 Broadsides and a Riptide calling to me that are suddenly looking quite attractive. Starting to loose my will with the KS again.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Depends if you hate the organic look enough to swear off of any other design altogether...

But, what if the organic style looks like gak to someone? I mean, it's hard to like something you find mediocre in every way possible, good.

Also, the poses are also lacking. None of them display any form of movement or speed, they all are just hunched over with their tail dangling over their heads, like they are on a casual afternoon stroll.

I think I'm gonna pretend there is no game attached to this whatsoever. I could care less about either their wargame or boardgame at this point. None of it sounds savory.

I only wish there was a reasonable pledge level comparable to In the pipe that I could pledge for. Which would be saving them money since all they have to give me is models and not all the printed material and packing costs for a boardgame.

Looking good there boss pledge level is.... not looking so good. in fact,for saving them a lot of time and money, its a pretty gak pledgelevel. I just want to give them $120 with the same stretch rewards as in the pipe. Then I'll shut the hell up about their abysmal managerial and marketing skills. Its not going to happen, because apparently I am going to get rules with my models, wether I like it or not godammit.

"Looking good there boss" will be a lot more attractive with a free Praetorian if/when we get there! I'm in for that level, but may move up a bit depending on the 2 wargaming pledge levels they add (those will probably include a rulebook, but if it's Infinity-quality like Ronin said the Warzone book was earlier in the thread, then I may want it anyway just for the art / fiction / etc).

Oh yeah, if there's an Infinity quality rulebook in there I'll reconsider spending zero dollars on it. As long as its full to the gills with fancy art and fluff. I'd need a lot of screenshots though, and they probably wouldn't be ready in time.

Yeah, but every level gets it, so... I'm still not seeing what looks so good about "looking good there, boss". Got a better argiment that is mathematically sound? Looking good doesn't even offer the same rewards as payback time, so I see no point in spending the extra dough to get the same discount as the dough being spent.

I just want to spend the same amount as in the pipe, and not bother with the rules or game bits and get the same reward. I get models I want, they spend much less on production costs for what I receive.

Seems reasonable to me.

Uhuh. It wouldn't be too much to ask to supply the models from the box, plus one or two add-ons instead of the card components, at the same price as the box proper. At least that.

I'm not entirely sure what I should do with the card component contents of a second game box (although the models alone would make it more than worth it to me).

Well, they added "Looking good there, boss!" at my request, and it is basically a way to get just models and stretch goals, without the box.

I can see why they don't want to sell the box contents "unboxed" for the same price... They're discounted in the box for a reason! I knew I wouldn't get quite as good of a deal at that level when I asked for them to add it, but it's still nice to have a level that lets me just get add-ons, imo. But it's pretty obvious why they want to push the box, it's the easiest to fulfill as they're all the same. You pay more for add-ons because you get to pick and choose.

But they'll be adding 2 more pledge levels when the rulebook unlocks, who knows, maybe one of those will be to your liking. That's probably unlikely given your posts here thus far, but sometimes lightning strikes

That makes no sense. None.

Riddle me this:
How can you see them not wanting to sell the models from the box, sans the printed materials for the same price?
What reason are they discounted in the box?

I pick and choose? I want their models. it wor,s.out exactly.the same, except they save money packing a large box and including expensive printed items. I know those boxes don't come cheap. In fact, those boxes are expensive to produce.

Your argument fails in the face of logic, and worse, you're validating illogical choices by Prodos in your zeal. I could care less who is responsible for what pledge level.

The bottom line is what they offer doesn't make sense. And they are attempting to make some pledges better deals to match through stretch goals which is also a crying shame. There should be variety offered in those goals, not "oops! our maths from the guy who balanced an unamed game that is huge and everyone knows about is flawed, here, have an awesome stretch goal since we lack the creative faculties for basic sense of value that the majority of consumers have. Did we mention that wehave a maths genius?"

They can more easily recitfy this with new pledge levels. Pledge levels that make sense. Pledge levels that don't attempt to insult my intelligence and basic maths I learned in first grade.

 Hellfury wrote:

What reason are they discounted in the box?

Because multiple component boxes should in theory enjoy economics of scale and ease of planning, thus lowering the cost? It's easier and cheaper to produce a set amount of components for a set amount of boxes than it is to run a list of individual components on demand.

And it's not unheard of for a company to offer a discount on a bundle of items compared to the price of individual components. Ever bought a six pack of beer?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Hellfury wrote:

What reason are they discounted in the box?

Because multiple component boxes should in theory enjoy economics of scale and ease of planning, thus lowering the cost? It's easier and cheaper to produce a set amount of components for a set amount of boxes than it is to run a list of individual components on demand.

And it's not unheard of for a company to offer a discount on a bundle of items compared to the price of individual components. Ever bought a six pack of beer?

Exactly. Saying something like "it makes sense for them to discount the main box game" is an absolute no-brainer.

I am willing to pay a slightly higher price to pick and choose the models I want, just like I would do for any product. It's this way for every boxed game with components... basically anywhere. It's obvious! Add up the model components for a board game, and try to buy them separately, and they will cost more.

You know, IF these were plastic minis made in China, and the factory also boxed/packed the rest of the components and sealed the game boxes you guys would have a point. It would cost more to do an extra run of the figures alone outside of what was budgeted for the game run, or worse Prodos opening games to parse out figures as needed takes time and leaves them with wasted components and boxes.

As it is in reality though, these cast resin figures, done in house by Prodos, cost the same to make for that particular mold wether they put them in a game box or not. They wear out the molds at the same rate, take the same amount of resin and labor. As such, selling the figures in the same quantity, in a game box or not, should not really add to their price. It isn't as if the game boxes themselves are not going to have the figures cast to order and then hand packed by Prodos along with the printed material since they are just for this KS and Prodos is very unlikely to cast a ton of extras not sold during this KS, which would take resources to make and to warehouse.

It never ceases to amaze me how many folk here seem to have knowledge and akills which would be the holy grail of an actual logistics operation.

True that manufacturing the models won't take any more time or money, but packaging, sorting and distributing a thousand separate individual orders on top of what they had planned for the kickstarter will have an economic effect.

I see where you are coming from, but there is an economy of simply shipping out a pre packed box with a set of add ons as opposed to having someone individually sort and pack a custom order.

That said, your idea makes sense. Just seems they are pushing the boxed set (probably at the insistence of Fox Studios) and want to reward the backers that make the fulfillment phase easier.

 Todosi wrote:
True that manufacturing the models won't take any more time or money, but packaging, sorting and distributing a thousand separate individual orders on top of what they had planned for the kickstarter will have an economic effect.
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Don't they have to do that anyway due to all the "you get free credit towards add-ons!" stretch goals?


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 His Master's Voice wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Weren't you the one saying the boutique resin prices were reasonable because the quality was there?

The quality is there, quite clearly in fact. Those may not be the Aliens you're looking for, but they're very good models from a technical point of view.

Obviously the quality is not "there" if people find that the minis don't resemble their design art--you know, the aliens from the movie. The fact that this is a license means that accuracy to the source material is just as important as 'technically correct' sculpt quality. Seriously, they could sculpt the most skillful, technically brilliant monster from John Carpenter's Dark Star that mankind has ever seen, but it would still suck because that's not what the Aliens fans want.

Part of charging boutique prices is giving the customers what they want and not giving them ...that other thing from the related property that looks close enough to satisfy most half-interested people yet the real fans--the kind willing to pay insane prices--will instantly know is the wrong thing.

One kind of gets the impression with this Ks that we are coming from the angle of Fans and understand what this project really represents and could go and the Prodos group looks at it as 'Ok our next project is AvP and so we will just do this, this and this for this project.' Then so whats the next licence.?

Theres no real passion behind this that come across.

 adlard.matthew wrote:
One kind of gets the impression with this Ks that we are coming from the angle of Fans and understand what this project really represents ...

The 'fans' of nothing but the figures and MOAR STUFF tend to completely drown out or ridicule anyone asking about the rules or other issues, or Lord Forbid have issues with the figures, in the comments section. I know that happens in many KS projects as a few hard core folks assume control of the comments section. Yet coupled with lack of clarity (which is beginning to look like evasiveness) from Prodos it is like sand in my underwear on this one.

Prodos does not use the FAQ or the Updates to put out new/updated info very efficiently in my opinion and is really spotty in answering questions in the comments, and I find that frustrating. Fr example, posting a video to a 52 minute QA is nice for folks with time to watch a 52 minute video. Distilling the key points made and taking GOOD pictures of stuff shown in that video and posting it as an update makes the info much more accessible to backers and potential backers.

A walk through of a couple turns of the boardgame now that we are 2/3 of the way done would be nice. Posting a draft of the rules would be better. Highlighting some of the components and other stuff like the resin corridors and clearly stating plans for expanding them would be good. There are so many things they could be putting out. The 'well, they're a small company' stopped being a decent excuse for me.

Here's the prices for the rest of the stuff to be released

Creator Prodos Games Ltd 16 minutes ago

@julian, 3x young blood £25, Power loader £15, Cloaked Predator is a £10 piece.

So cloaked predators aren't a free goal but the power loader is a little cheaper than I thought it would be.

Prodos are back answering questions...

Summary so far:

Prodos confirmed they are working on the new pledge levels for wargamers...

Q: How are addons used during the board game scenerios? Do we need an Alien Crusher?
A: Instead of "plug and play", you can construct your own army roster, which might include an alien crusher, even for basic board game scenario.

Q: Are maps included in the game?
A: Some samples will be included, but you can make your own, flow chart how to make it will be included in the rules.

Q: Any word on the AvP arcade characters?
A: Hoping to get approval for Lieutenant Linn Kurosawa and Major Dutch Schaefer

Q: In the rules are your USCM squads gonna have a set size? Theoretically it should be 4men for a squad but it is your game
A: Squad up to 10 man, + one Character (Sgt, or Lt, or Commander)

Q: The facehuggers can make new aliens from other bodies?
A: Yes

Q: Can you give us the price points on the *possible* upcoming SG's...such as the Youngbloods, Powerloader, Cloaked Predator ( And if that will be included either as a freebie or if they are in a set of 3)
A: 3x young blood £25, Power loader £15, Cloaked Predator is a £10 piece

Q: I understand you don't want give away storyline specifics, I would prefer to keep the spoilers to a minimum myself. But if the boardgame is just a wargame played on tiles (building factions based on points and not by set campaign play (you will need 5 Alien Warriors, 10 Alien Infants, and 1 Alien Crusher) then I would like to know.
Boardgame = Wargame or Boardgame = campaign play?
A: Sorry, let me be more specific, each mission for the board game can be played with just Box models, you may exchange some models for other models with equal level of points. We cannot put requirements to have a specific models in some missions, that would be unfair to customers (needs to buy more content just to play "some specific mission" It;s not Prodos strategy ;] ) Equally, we can only recommend to Add more models to each mission (for instance, after 1st "Rescue" mission, the story line says, that Rescued marines may join your squad)

Q: Is cloaked predator one-piece model?
A: 4 pieces, 2x arms, head and body with legs

(Ninja'd on that one !!)

Update of Pledge Calculator, now with newest sg's an pricing