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I'm talking about their add on option... no flamer. Just a smart gun and 5 pulse carbines.

Yeah, the M240 Incinerator Unit:

...is not present in the add on sprue.

A thousand pardons my good man, I was replying to someone else. It will not happen again!

Again, maybe I'm too stupid for this KS, but are the "boxed game" images different from what will eventually be in the retail box?

Well, there is this:

Prodos wrote:extra head set and arms pack will be available after KS. including helmet-less female M56 operator and M83A2 SADAR + more.

But you're right Hellfury, looks like right now the marines in the box have a flamer arm but not the add-on marines.

Spoilered pic for those who missed it last page. Some good looking minis




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 cincydooley wrote:
Again, maybe I'm too stupid for this KS, but are the "boxed game" images different from what will eventually be in the retail box?

Yes, this is the Kickstarter deluxe version, the eventual retail box is a complete unknown but the models will definitely not be as multipart as these, and won't be resin, etc.

So, when are we gonna get those Alien Warrior renders? It's been awhile since they've been announced. It's pretty much became my last hope for this really disappointing kickstarter.

We got the Praetorian render (here, if anyone missed it) but for some reason not the Warriors. Hopefully next week! I can't imagine Fox would approve something on the weekend. Or maybe they'll sneak in a preview like they did for the Praetorian before it was approved

Actually quite looking forward to the Young Blood predators, and being able to recreate the events of the comic books (where the 'senior' predator gets knocked out by accident during an expedition, and the young bloods run run amok )

210K passed - just hope it doesn't dip again cause i might get the book as one of my add-ons

 Imposter101 wrote:
So, when are we gonna get those Alien Warrior renders? It's been awhile since they've been announced. It's pretty much became my last hope for this really disappointing kickstarter.

Considering that every Alien we've seen thus far has been the organic look, it's pretty much a certainty that we're going to be getting AVP:R Aliens. That said, I don't really mind - while one might be better than the other, an Alien's an Alien as far as I'm concerned. It's unfortunate if it's a deal breaker for some...

 RiTides wrote:

Yes, this is the Kickstarter deluxe version, the eventual retail box is a complete unknown but the models will definitely not be as multipart as these, and won't be resin, etc.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic here, but I have to believe that whatever boxed set pieces they're doing here are going to be nearly identical to the ones for the retail product. It doesn't make any sense for them to do double the amount of work for two separate releases. Why would you hire someone to do a design and layout separately for two different materials for products that are effectively launching at the same time?

I mean, I just don't think you would......

Because I am slow on the uptake...this means the marine addon is now different then what we get in the main box? Correct? If so, awesome.


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 Imposter101 wrote:
So, when are we gonna get those Alien Warrior renders? It's been awhile since they've been announced. It's pretty much became my last hope for this really disappointing kickstarter.

Why is this a disappointing kickstarter?


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 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 Imposter101 wrote:
So, when are we gonna get those Alien Warrior renders? It's been awhile since they've been announced. It's pretty much became my last hope for this really disappointing kickstarter.

Considering that every Alien we've seen thus far has been the organic look, it's pretty much a certainty that we're going to be getting AVP:R Aliens. That said, I don't really mind - while one might be better than the other, an Alien's an Alien as far as I'm concerned. It's unfortunate if it's a deal breaker for some...

What's the organic look over the ??? look? I'm obviously missing something here.

Really enjoying this update.

Cloaked Pred is wonderful, really want to unlock that.

Preatorian looks better than I was expecting from the video...

The marine mission token is the nuts, hope that we get that somewhere in the KS.

As for the Stalker Alien sculpts, I for one like them a lot... The only sculpt I'm not keen on is the hop and skip and jump medic marine - but then I'm not really keen on running poses, still, sure I could do some conversion work...

Great to see the add-on squad is different to the starter set, but yeah, we need another flamer :flame:

 RiTides wrote:
Well, there is this:

Prodos wrote:extra head set and arms pack will be available after KS. including helmet-less female M56 operator and M83A2 SADAR + more.

But you're right Hellfury, looks like right now the marines in the box have a flamer arm but not the add-on marines.

Well there are flamer parts according to this


It says 3 pulse rifles, 1 smartgun and 1 flame thrower. I am guessing these are the base contents of the addon pack of marines so a flamer should be there by default. Unless Prodos changes their mind... or made a mistake...

 basement.dweller wrote:

It says 3 pulse rifles, 1 smartgun and 1 flame thrower. I am guessing these are the base contents of the addon pack of marines so a flamer should be there by default. Unless Prodos changes their mind... or made a mistake...

Surely Prodos woudn't make a mistake

I notice though that image is the same exact marines as the starter box, but the updated image further up the KS page doesn't show the dodgy running pose in the add-on set... Hopefully Prodos will confirm tomorrow...

Oh and it's sitting on £211,000 - not too far to go until cloaked Predator

 Pacific wrote:
Foolish predator, doesn't it know that the aliens can still 'see' him?!

Looks like he's about to find out.

 Forlorn wrote:
What's the organic look over the ??? look? I'm obviously missing something here.

You are, yeah. It was a few pages back, but to summarize:

H.R. Giger is a Swiss artist made famous for his surreal, nightmarish landscapes and "biomechanical" style that fuses human bodies and machines, which inspired the creature that became the Alien. He designed the creature, the environment that would later become LV-426 and the derelict spacecraft. Anyway, the original Alien had mechanical influences in its design, with what appeared to be hoses, cables, vents and tubes in certain parts of its anatomy, combined with elements like the exposed rib cage, human skull (which apparently didn't show on film, there are supposed to be eye sockets hidden behind the translucent shell of its head), metal/glass teeth, and humanoid fingers "fused" together. Alien got some criticism at first for essentially being a "rape movie", albeit one that was intended to make the men in the audience feel uncomfortable, but it eventually became a household name and...I was going to say "cult classic" but I'm not sure if Alien is considered "cult" or not since it was still considered a success. In any case it spawned a lot of imitators, mostly low-budget flicks with more generic-looking designs for their monster(s).

Over the years though, mainly from Alien: Resurrection and on, the Alien's design has changed a bit. It's become less complex (Probably to save money? They only needed one suit for the original film and it was apparently complex with lots of moving parts, whereas they needed several for the later films so maybe it needed to be "simplified" to stay within the budget, I dunno) and lost some of those design elements that made it unique. It still mostly looks the same, with the phallic-looking head, the exoskeleton, the long tail...but compared to the original you can see it's lost some of those mechanical details and become more "organic" looking: where there would be actual cabling or tubes in the original design, there's just lumpy, organic "meat" that only vaguely represent that now. The feet and hands changed too, looking less humanoid and more like a reptile or dinosaur. In some eyes this makes it look more generic, more like the imitators and less like the original, iconic creature that gave little kids nightmares (and in my case, still kinda does, lol). I guess it makes sense because ever since Aliens the movies themselves have felt more and more B-movie-esque (even Prometheus in my opinion, which didn't even have a xenomorph in it at all), so I guess it's only fitting the monster does, too.

I don't know if I'd consider it a deal-breaker, though. Like others I prefer the original design more, but the models still look cool in my opinion, especially with that NMM-looking paintjob. Still can't back the Kickstarter, though. Don't have the money anymore and I'd rather support my store by buying it (and Warzone, if it ever makes it to the shelf) from them. The main deal-breaker for me will be retail prices, which right now are looking awful damn high assuming the KS add-ons are discounted. I'm sure the quality is there, but still.

Oh man, if these KS prices represent a 20% discount--or Gord-save-us a 30% discount--the retail is going to be brutal. They might as well just charge $nope and $your self-respect.

3 pounds per model for resin units (Marines, aliens) is pretty normal. Just look at FW prices and you'll feel better about these . Its not PVC prices because it's not PVC "quality"

 RiTides wrote:
3 pounds per model for resin units (Marines, aliens) is pretty normal. Just look at FW prices and you'll feel better about these . Its not PVC prices because it's not PVC "quality"

And ten pounds per Predator, yes yes, high quality resin. But this is Kickstarter, which means our money goes out now, not when the item is ready to ship. Money today is worth more then money tomorrow, so the longer we wait, the more the item functionally costs.

These things are starting at boutique resin prices... before we factor in the increase in price caused by paying months and months ahead of time.

Now, one might point to KD:M, where there was no discount on the pin-up lines. But I would aver; first, the pin-ups were not the subject of the campaign, the game was. Second, the resin pin-ups were functionally unobtainable elsewhere, so people were willing to pay a premium. Finally, and most importantly, while the resin pin-ups were not discounted, the actual game, the expansions and the components that were being sold separately were heavily discounted.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
These things are starting at boutique resin prices... before we factor in the increase in price caused by paying months and months ahead of time.

Also the whole risk thing. If you pay through KS, you don't know what you're getting (Mantic Basileans, Dreadball season 3 metals) or even if you're getting it (Defiance Games hard suits is it?). Depending on how you look at it, risk is either an extra cost or a reduction in value received, which should be reflected in the price paid.

 Buzzsaw wrote:


And ten pounds per Predator, yes yes, high quality resin. But this is Kickstarter, which means our money goes out now, not when the item is ready to ship. Money today is worth more then money tomorrow, so the longer we wait, the more the item functionally costs.

Just had to say that the fact that you understand this and pointed it out made me unreasonably happy, and likely puts you in the 99th percentile for KS smarts.

Thanks Sid, I really appreciate you taking the time to explain. I'm going to have to go back and watch Alien now to pick out those details. I honestly never noticed and to my untrained eye all the aliens pretty much look the same (Alien 3 not withstanding). I'm not seeing this as high priced even though it is..I like what I see so far, and having waited so long for this to come along I'm happy. Again, thank you for the explanation.



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 Buzzsaw wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
3 pounds per model for resin units (Marines, aliens) is pretty normal. Just look at FW prices and you'll feel better about these . Its not PVC prices because it's not PVC "quality"

And ten pounds per Predator, yes yes, high quality resin. But this is Kickstarter, which means our money goes out now, not when the item is ready to ship. Money today is worth more then money tomorrow, so the longer we wait, the more the item functionally costs.

These things are starting at boutique resin prices... before we factor in the increase in price caused by paying months and months ahead of time.

Now, one might point to KD:M, where there was no discount on the pin-up lines. But I would aver; first, the pin-ups were not the subject of the campaign, the game was. Second, the resin pin-ups were functionally unobtainable elsewhere, so people were willing to pay a premium. Finally, and most importantly, while the resin pin-ups were not discounted, the actual game, the expansions and the components that were being sold separately were heavily discounted.

For us here in the US now is better than later before our dollar tanks anymore!

 basement.dweller wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Well, there is this:

Prodos wrote:extra head set and arms pack will be available after KS. including helmet-less female M56 operator and M83A2 SADAR + more.

But you're right Hellfury, looks like right now the marines in the box have a flamer arm but not the add-on marines.

Well there are flamer parts according to this


It says 3 pulse rifles, 1 smartgun and 1 flame thrower. I am guessing these are the base contents of the addon pack of marines so a flamer should be there by default. Unless Prodos changes their mind... or made a mistake...

Ha! Excellent catch, old bean! I hope that is indeed the case and not get retconned in the future.

 RiTides wrote:
3 pounds per model for resin units (Marines, aliens) is pretty normal. Just look at FW prices and you'll feel better about these . Its not PVC prices because it's not PVC "quality"

As someone who has never considered buying units from Forgeworld, I find your argument pretty weak. As an average painter, I find the difference in detail level on a resin 28mm miniature from a restic one to be pretty trivial. The pose, convertability and composition of the mini are much more important to me, and Prodos hasn't exactly hit the mark on any of those. Frankly, I find the idea of treating minis based on the AVP license (AVP!) as high art is an insultingly-shallow excuse for King Lear-level wallet gouging. (Out, out vile credit!)

I'm glad you're happy with these minis. However, you can't pretend on Dakka that most people are going to be okay with paying GW level prices for GWish quality minis several months in advance.

 RiTides wrote:
3 pounds per model for resin units (Marines, aliens) is pretty normal. Just look at FW prices and you'll feel better about these . Its not PVC prices because it's not PVC "quality"

I only quoting your post, rtides, because is see this a lot so its not directed at solely, but the gaming populace in general that shares this view.

That preface out of the way, its just an excuse given.

Comparing prices to GW is like comparing crime to the devil. Of course its going to be less than the example.

Its a false dichotomy, pure and simple. And its really sad that GW have literally trained their consumers to think in such a way. People would do well to question these 'deals' instead of automatically validating their own lack of consumer ethics with such comparisons.

I'm not saying that their prices are outside of what I am personally.willng to pay, but if people just accept what they throw at you without any question, then you do them and yourself a disservice. Them a disservice by not giving honest and critical feedback from earnest discernment. Yourselves as disservice by just auto accepting and perpetuating more of the same mindset.

Sorry, but this kind of gak needs to be said every once in awhile. It is just too highly aggravating to watch people validate bad choices with bad comparisons.

Compare it to the terrain pack in sedition wars. $30. 2 sentry guns, half a dozen victimes, a couple.dozen different doors, a dozen or so other nifty objective markers, another 10 tech doohickeys to sprinkle around the board.... Go check that out and then you'll know why I find such line of thinking unpleasent.


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Ugh. $16 for 4 eggs. All of which fit in a single square inch.

That much money for little gubbins that, since you want to make the comparison, even GW would include as part of their kits. This, and the other objective tokens, need to be part of the base game.

Its little things like this that erode consumer goodwill towards them.

Especially after looking at my lovely terrain pack from sedition wars I bought specifically because I knew I was going to use it with my aliens themed space hulk. its a decent board game additive for not an exorbitant price. say what you will about sedition wars, but that is a good product. exemplary in fact. Its relevent because you could take that product and throw it into this game and it would work, overall.

I think the problem is Hellfury that some of those other Kickstarters presented such a good deal, that it's made it difficult for those that came after.

Mantic admitted themselves they gave too much away in their Kings of War KS, and it's obvious that Studio McVey probably bit off a bit more than they could chew when their own KS massively exceeded their own expectations - a year later and there are still bits and pieces being released for it. I can understand Prodos wanting to be a bit more pensive about how much of a good deal this KS is. We don't know how much the license for this game costs (someone posted earlier on a figure, it wasn't cheap) but again that is something that has to be factored in.

'GW levels of detail'? Well perhaps the character miniatures, these are certainly a step above GW's plastic troop-level lines from the photos we have seen, and so that's not a fair comparison. And, if one is to compare only price (disregarding sculpt detail, intricacy and material) these compare favourably to Infinity, which has a higher price per miniature yet is reportedly one of the fastest growing games in the industry. Look at Mierce, Kingdom Death, Taban miniatures etc. People are prepared to pay for quality, and regardless of whether mistakes have been made in Alien design (which again isn't consistent itself, and comes down more to which alien you like from whichever film) there is no denying a lot of these are some pretty impressive sculpts here.

That I think is ultimately what it comes down to - you're obviously either enough of a fan of the source material, or not, to hand over the money for it.

Resin price too high at £10 per figure? Check out the price of Hasslefree's Resin minis, which, while good sculpts are still Heroic proportions and not as detailed as the Predators, yet they are similarly priced (note that I'm comparing price to the 28mm figures, not the 40mm ones)

http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=miniatures~%2Aresin-figures%2A

And I didn't fall in trap of comparing to a £15 GW Finecast Space Marine Captain: Lord Executioner (oops, I think I just did )

 Ruglud wrote:
Resin price too high at £10 per figure? Check out the price of Hasslefree's Resin minis, which, while good sculpts are still Heroic proportions and not as detailed as the Predators, yet they are similarly priced (note that I'm comparing price to the 28mm figures, not the 40mm ones)

http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=miniatures~%2Aresin-figures%2A

And I didn't fall in trap of comparing to a £15 GW Finecast Space Marine Captain: Lord Executioner (oops, I think I just did )

Hasslefree resins tend to be very limited in number.

That may be, but they continue to offer the same minis, which invariably are versions of their most popular metals, in Resin for the last few years so not sure how 'limited' they actually are.

For another comparison, look at Scibor or Legendarion prices - they really are top end. Prodos compare favourably in my book.

Anywho, each to their own. You don't like the price point or the sculpts, then that's fine. I like them and willing to pay for them. I'm sitting on the Payback pledge and considering whether I can up it or not - just waiting for the latest credit card bill