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It would sure be nice if they published a weekly update on the KS project once in a while.

Once in a while, or weekly?

 Alpharius wrote:
Once in a while, or weekly?

EggZackly.

Hello,
This is a message from Kickstarter’s Integrity team. We're writing to inform you that a project you backed, Alien vs Predator The Miniatures Game, is the subject of an intellectual property dispute.
The law requires that we remove the project from public view until the dispute is resolved (please see our Copyright Policy and Trademark Policy for more info). Because the project already ended successfully, your pledge hasn’t been affected. The creator should still be able to move forward with the project (and send any unfulfilled rewards). If you have any questions, though, you can still message the creator from the project page.
Thanks so much for your patience and cooperation,
Kickstarter

Whoa, I just got this in my email. I don't get it, they clearly have all the right permissions / are paying royalties to Fox. What could the IP dispute be over?

So, um, did anyone else just get the email from KS about an IP dispute?

Edit: Huh, I guess so. I suspect that some other board game or miniatures company has challenged Prodos over the right to produce some specific part of the game (or.. I wonder if someone did a 180 on those arcade game characters). As you say, Prodos have been working with FOX directly and if anyone knows who holds the rights to their materials, you would think it was them..

2nd edit: Yeah I reckon it's either because of Dutch and Lin, or some company like Predastore just found a piece of paper down the back of the sofa where FOX gave them permission to make Predator minis. .

3rd edit: Or it could be something that was in the rules which were recently published. Maybe a piece of art that features in the document, or someone is claiming that Prodos copied their rules.

WTF did Prodos just have falling out with Fox? The project is gone from public view any news on Facebook?

Surely Fox would have the rights to all things Alien and Predator?

Yeah, just got that. WTF?

Yeah, I just read that too.

The "your pledge hasn’t been affected. The creator should still be able to move forward with the project (and send any unfulfilled rewards)" sounds like BS. If there is a real IP dispute no way the IP holder allows production to continue unless they work it out. Fox won't care a bit that Prodos owes us anything, and I suspect their lawyers are bigger than the ones Prodos can afford.

Hopefully it does involve just the video game characters or some small part...

Could be a trademark troll. Could be something not related to the actual product, like a font or stock image element. Could be Prodos messed up and Fox decided to terminate the agreements.

Can Prodos even use the KS messaging system given the project was removed? That that they would jump to it right away, it's 11pm in the UK right now.

GW challenged Prodos over similarities to Cadians and Tyranids... (no, not really, but its probably something just as stupid).

Well the have been doing demos and stuff where people have seen stuff fox has not officially OKed so it's not impossible they've had the plug pulled,

but I suspect it's more likely its some other company that thinks it has the rights to a specific bit like an actors likeness, a computer game character or something like that playing hard ball in an attempt to be paid off to go away,

remember this is a property that has been around for ages, has been licenced for games/toys/minis/rpg etc many times including to some companies that have folded while in posesion of the licence. It's not impossible that one of these has been written loosely enough that the AvP game might be seen as stepping on toes

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW challenged Prodos over similarities to Cadians and Tyranids... (no, not really, but its probably something just as stupid).

Hah! That would be hilarious. Your "aliens" are strikingly similar to our established line of miniatures called "Genestealers". Cease and desist!

fingers crossed it's resolved soon

Beautiful. I'm sure we'll hear from them promptly....yeah right.

You never know, it could be Upper Deck Entertainment. Maybe they finally caught wind of the AvP game, saw some of the unit cards and thought "Heeey! We're the only company allowed to create a card game based on the Aliens franchise."

Random speculation, of course, but if I put up enough theories, one of them is bound to be right!

Bob the Accountant wrote:
Beautiful. I'm sure we'll hear from them promptly....yeah right.

I was just thinking, "As if Prodos needed another excuse to not communicate with us."

Oh for feth 's sake...

Refund request sent. As a late backer I hope they do it. Fed up with the constant delays and now this gak.

How do you go about doing that Alex C? They have 125 bucks of my money!

I'm tempted to put a refund request in.

I put £135 so I kinda want that back, if it isn't too late!

I'm giving them a few days to comment before considering that.

... Harmony Gold...

... Harmony Gold...

(/spooky voice)


I'm just getting that vibe.

Just emailed their support. Had it "on file" from when I asked for late backing.

I really doubt the project is dead. Most likely just another in the long line of delays, although this one is worrying rather than annoying.

I am so getting a refund if this goes tits up, they have like $600 of my dollhairs which I'd rather use to pay bills, buy malifaux and battlefoam stuff with on friday, and blow on blackjack and hookers (not in that order)

chaos0xomega wrote:
I am so getting a refund if this goes tits up

Presumably, everyone gets a refund if it goes south.

Jeez chaos what did you put in for?

Get to the Chopper + Real Aliens.

It started out as just Get to the Chopper... but then they released the playtest points costs and force orgs and I had way more points in Predators than I did in Marines, and way more in Marines than I did in Aliens so I added a Real Aliens set and roughly balanced out the points values of Marines/Aliens/Predators that way. Still not perfectly there, but I think its close enough that with the exp. level system I can get them to parity.

Think it's possible that there is some jumping to conclusions going on here? I don't think we are going to have much more than a minor delay (on top of an already delayed arrival) to be honest.

The game has the backing of the actual owners of the Aliens Vs. Predator Franchise, which is Fox, and if dozens of updates and other info are to be believed Prodos have been in continuous contact with Fox throughout the entirety of this project. We've read, for example, that the Predalien went through about half a dozen resculpts before a compromise was reached between both parties on the design.

So, I think it is fair to assume that Fox haven't suddenly pulled the plug this far in. However, I have read that it's rather easy to get stuff like this happening on KS - i.e. if there is even the slightest whisper of an issue, KS will remove the item from view until the dispute is resolved.

I think it is much more likely that, as has been suggested above, this relates to a minor component of the game (such as the video game characters - although I can't imagine Capcom causing a stink?).

That sales guy for Prodos needs to earn his money though and get an update out pronto, even if he doesn't have full knowledge of every detail there need to be some assurances made here.

Hopefully it's easily resolved.

I, however, have had enough of their BS and piss poor attitude.

Fingers crossed on my refund.

Shame, because I love the IP...

 Pacific wrote:
Think it's possible that there is some jumping to conclusions going on here? I don't think we are going to have much more than a minor delay (on top of an already delayed arrival) to be honest.

The game has the backing of the actual owners of the Aliens Vs. Predator Franchise, which is Fox, and if dozens of updates and other info are to be believed Prodos have been in continuous contact with Fox throughout the entirety of this project. We've read, for example, that the Predalien went through about half a dozen resculpts before a compromise was reached between both parties on the design.

So, I think it is fair to assume that Fox haven't suddenly pulled the plug this far in. However, I have read that it's rather easy to get stuff like this happening on KS - i.e. if there is even the slightest whisper of an issue, KS will remove the item from view until the dispute is resolved.

I think it is much more likely that, as has been suggested above, this relates to a minor component of the game (such as the video game characters - although I can't imagine Capcom causing a stink?).

That sales guy for Prodos needs to earn his money though and get an update out pronto, even if he doesn't have full knowledge of every detail there need to be some assurances made here.

A thousand times this. I'm having fun with all the crazy speculation on Facebook, but I'm honestly not that worried.