Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**CURNOW**

Yeah you need to chuck in some apc surfing predators and some marines who are am bestest marines and all cloned from hudson/ hicks/Cameron / vasqezze etc so are like completely acid proof and love slaughtering juicy colonists daughters as they are secretly chaos/ space yuppies.

**Pacific**

fullmetaljacket wrote:are they 28mm heroic like 40k??
fmj

Believe they are 28mm 'to eye', which is what most 28mm is nowadays.

Here we go, a size comparison shot that was posted some time ago (funny we have just been talking about the Terminator as it's one of a Necron

)

Guessing the aliens would make something of an ironic stand-in for Tyranids if that's what you are intending, not sure the proportions would fit with the Marines in for Imperial Guard though..

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Pacific wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The fiction is the hold-up? Since when did Fox start caring about the quality of Aliens or Predator fiction?

Haha yeah

Maybe it was deemed to be better than the script material for the AvP films and therefore inadmissible? If they have to make something that is equally bad we could be in for a wait, that would take some doing..

I could help. I have a colostomy bag full of ideas.

Like, what if they're in a sporting goods store fighting a brazillion aliens and the Predator runs out of ammo and blades and he's all riding a skateboard around smashing aliens with a baseball bat and a hockey stick, and there's a vuvuzela in there somwwhere, and then later he decides that the ultimate hunt is taking on UFC champions in hand-to-hand, but one of the champions is secretly an android, and a facehugger got him but the baby alien can't break out because he's an android, so it's growing and growing, and then at the end the Predator breaks the androind in half over his knee and the fully-grown andralien jumps out and he's all like, "Hssssssshhhhhhhh!" and the Predator goes "Reeeaarrrrrrr!" and it's all like "TO BE CONTINUED" bruuuump (inception horns)..?

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Did I mention that the vuvuzela makes an alien's head explode?

Haha, if I were you I would be waiting next to your phone right now for that call from the studio execs

**Forar**

Pacific wrote:
Haha, if I were you I would be waiting next to your phone right now for that call from the studio execs

"Look, you're going to get a Cease And Desist or an offer to flesh this out into a screenplay. Either way, expect mail."

**warboss**

Forar wrote:
Pacific wrote:
Haha, if I were you I would be waiting next to your phone right now for that call from the studio execs

"Look, you're going to get a Cease And Desist or an offer to flesh this out into a screenplay. Either way, expect mail."

"If you accept the latter, we will naturally expect you to have a revolving door of contradictory excuses on hand to explain any delays as well as cut off all electronic contact with the outside world except for an alphanumeric beeper the size of a cream cheese bar from which you will periodically post updates with no actual news."

**adlard.matthew**

With regards the level of detail Fox is imposing the level imposed over the new comics was immense from the interviews with Dark Horse.

These included JC also having a say and input.

It appears that Fox is making massive attempts to control what is and is not allowed now.

**Joyboozer**

Jesus Christ had input?

**adlard.matthew**

Ok weird part of message missing, that should have been JC and RS, it's from the interview that DH comics did here.

http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/exclusive-interview-with-dark-horse-comics-about-their-new-avp--prometheus-comics

**Joyboozer**

Damn! Just when I though Jesus vs Predator was finally all set to become a reality!

**Alpharius**

I'm sure James Cameron has acted as if he was God at some point but...

**Visceral_Mass**

adlard.matthew wrote:
With regards the level of detail Fox is imposing the level imposed over the new comics was immense from the interviews with Dark Horse.

These included JC also having a say and input.

It appears that Fox is making massive attempts to control what is and is not allowed now.

If they are now making "massive" attempts at control, you can't really tell by the quality of the material that has been released. The best I can say about how they are handling the franchise is that at least the releases have been consistently mediocre.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Fox has also just had Aliens : Colonial Marines from Sega pulled from Stream (not a big loss)

as well as Alien vs Predator from Rebellion

now it might just because fixed licences have expired but since both went at the same time, it looks more likely that at least AvP was a yearly rolling licences

(probably a % of sales as I doubt sales of a 2010 title would have been high enough for Rebellion to actually pay a big sum up front recently) so probably this year Fox just didn't offer an option

another sign they are tightening up on the franchise (and possibly that another movie may be closer than we think)

**Pacific**

Joyboozer wrote:
Jesus Christ had input?

Haha!

Although looking at the Aliens Vs. Predator films, you would have probably have thought Satan had been involved instead, as well as his bowels.

**JoeRugby**

Pacific wrote:
fullmetaljacket wrote:are they 28mm heroic like 40k??
fmj

Believe they are 28mm 'to eye', which is what most 28mm is nowadays.

Here we go, a size comparison shot that was posted some time ago (funny we have just been talking about the Terminator as it's one of a Necron )

Guessing the aliens would make something of an ironic stand-in for Tyranids if that's what you are intending, not sure the proportions would fit with the Marines in for Imperial Guard though..

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Pacific wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The fiction is the hold-up? Since when did Fox start caring about the quality of Aliens or Predator fiction?

I remember in the kickstarter comments (seems like forever ago) that they said the marines measured 32mm to top of their heads.

**Ruglud**

Facebook - 5 Jan:

Jarek Ever

20 hrs · Edited

Looking for proofreaders for the final rules for the AvP : The Hunt Begins, Board Game, yes, this only means that the rules going to print SOON!!!! : Requirements: Good English and "gaming Imagination" IMPORTANT : you must be able to sign NDA and you will have to follow it, strictly. It will be closed FB group of max 10 peoples. In return we will: 1. Publish your name in the board game rulebook as a official Proofreader. 2. We will also provide some gifts once the game is out. If you are interested please drop a comment in this post, thanks!

**Nostromodamus**

So after they get a team together, go through revisions, send it for approval, print the book and pack it, THEN we can get our stuff, right?

Is there anything else for the core game we're waiting for?

Then there's the wait for wave 2...

**CptJake**

Alex C wrote:

Is there anything else for the core game we're waiting for?

We don't really know. I don't recall ever seeing final versions of the cards, templates or some of the other components. Who knows if the tiles were ever approved. No clue about the box (we've seen some of the box cover but that was really it, many boxes have art/pictures on the sides even of the 'bottom' half of the box) and other packaging/inserts that may come in the box. Heck, we don't even know if the core game figures went through final approval yet.

We'll probably never get details/specifics on things like this though (and that level of detail though nice, can't really be expected).

But Prodos has said they will be shipping Very Soon*! And they've ordered packing material and everything!

*For some value of Very Soon, a value I doubt matches my definition

**Nostromodamus**

Glad to hear they've ordered packing material.

**CURNOW**

Shipping the box game first and really soon just as soon as we have written the rules and printed them plus all the other stuff we haven't told you about .... im calling July at the earliest for this and like my other main kickstarter this will prob end up in a box as a unusable pile of rubbish . Who in their right minds would of picked the raging heroes one to be delivered before this ?

**Tengri**

They sure are taking their sweet time

**Ruglud**

As for the proofreading, Jarek responded on Facebook (5 Jan):

Q: What's the timeframe?

Jarek Ever
2 week at max, the doc is 33k words!

Jarek Ever
lads please give me 24h before the proofers group goes up

Backer:
so is the rulebook not being professionally proof read? it seems very odd to be so much under the cosh with Fox to get things right, and then put proof reading in the hands of a bunch of people you've stumbled into on facebook.

Jarek Ever
what is the issue again, professional proofers will just check the grama, nothing else, the gamers will do more, this is how we have been working sucessivelly from day 1 with WZR

**Joyboozer**

Yeah, better get someone to check the "grama" too, just in case.

**biggusdoggus**

my grama doesn't need to be checked, she's fit and healthy thankyou very much.

In all seriousness though, the two week timeframe is ridiculous - it'll take them at least that to set the group up and get NDAs out to everyone and returned signed, especially since he then makes it clear that he doesn't actually need proofers, he needs people who will do more than that - ie more than correct grammar and spelling errors. He needs copy editors and playtesters. This process will likely take 2-3 months I should think, and the rules will STILL need to be properly proofread even then.

**Nostromodamus**

Then approved after changes...

...sigh.

**Visceral_Mass**

The rules should have been one of the first things finished and they should have had a rough final draft finished before the kickstarter even launched.

If I was waiting for the game, I'd be concerned about the quality of the rules if they are only just now proofreading (with a random group of gamers). But, then again, I think plenty of backers are giving them a pass on the rules because they don't plan on using them, they just want the models.

**CptJake**

Some if us very much pledged for the Board Game because we wanted a cool AvP board game.

Of course when folks like me expressed concern about the rules we did hear 'Cool Minis!!!!!' as the typical reply.

**Nostromodamus**

Remember when they said they'd have the rules and points values up before the funding period ended?

Seems they were being more than a tad optimistic there...

Then there's the "gameplay video" which was mostly just some guys fething around. Never did see "part 2" which was supposed to show the game being played...

**dekinrie**

Prodos wouldnt be the first company to ask backers to proofread their material everything from modiphius's achtung cthulu kickstarter was opened to backers before going to printers incase of mistakes

**warboss**

dekinrie wrote:
Prodos wouldnt be the first company to ask backers to proofread their material everything from modiphius's achtung cthulu kickstarter was opened to backers before going to printers incase of mistakes

No, they're not... and it's good that they're doing that (Palladium, I'm looking at you!). The issue I suspect is that this is coming out now months after the stuff was already supposed to be in backers' grubby mitts and after IIRC months of them saying that the book wasn't the holdup but rather the minis which seems to be a tune that changed recently.

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CURNOW wrote:
some marines who are am bestest marines and all cloned from hudson/ hicks/Cameron / vasqezze etc so are like completely acid proof

Plot armor is the motion picture equivalent of a 2++ rerollable save.

**adlard.matthew**

One is wondering if the changes to Promethius 2, and comics with their new story lines, and separate speculation on a future Alien 5, could be seeing Fox make changes to its Story arc, so anything project wise will have to change.

Hence the changes they asked to the fluff and such.

**Pacific**

At least it is being proof read - some of the new Spartan stuff is horrendous, it's amazing how often this kind of stuff gets overlooked.

CptJake wrote:
Some if us very much pledged for the Board Game because we wanted a cool AvP board game.

Of course when folks like me expressed concern about the rules we did hear 'Cool Minis!!!!!' as the typical reply.

Yes but.... . the minis!