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Its the same "soon" we had 3mths ago

And likely the same "soon" we'll get next month.

and the month after that, and the month after...

Of all the delayed Kickstarters I've backed, this one is getting to me the most. I stayed pretty calm throughout Soda Pop and Relic Knights, Megacon Games and Myth etc. I'm actually still cool with Poots and Kingdom Death : Monster. I don't need fox approved updates, I'd just like to see some interaction with the community. Prodos were the OP of this thread, they've had the opportunity to put rumours straight for themselves.

I don't know what I expect to hear from Prodos. Possibly a good start if they came out and said they can no longer talk about work in progress due to the fallout from the Aliens : Colonial Marines lawsuit. I'd completely ok with that if that was the case. It's my understanding that the work in progress for A:CM didn't resemble the quality of the final product which led to disappointment and a heap of bad press. (I've since picked up A:CM new for £3 to see what the fuss was about for myself)

I'm losing interest in Prodos' rules systems and at this rate more likely to play homebrew Mantic's DeadZone (Maybe Project Pandora) or Grindhouse's Incursion with any miniatures I get. I'm looking out for this summer's Terminator Wargame. If it plays like Bolt Action you can count me in.

PomWallaby wrote:
Of all the delayed Kickstarters I've backed, this one is getting to me the most. I stayed pretty calm throughout Soda Pop and Relic Knights, Megacon Games and Myth etc. I'm actually still cool with Poots and Kingdom Death : Monster. I don't need fox approved updates, I'd just like to see some interaction with the community. Prodos were the OP of this thread, they've had the opportunity to put rumours straight for themselves.

what would they say that might be believable when they've plied us with so many false promises and miss-information so far?

remember that time they said they'd show us the rulebook? that took them 6 months rather than a week
remember when they repeatedly insisted they were on time for delivery as scheduled? yeah right
remember when they then insisted they'd make Christmas, and even ejected backers from the kickstarter for suggesting otherwise?
remember when they claimed the KS page was brought down by KS due to them miss-understanding an instruction to clear up the maintenance screen (and KS have repeatedly stated that there is definitely an IP dispute lodged by 21st C Fox)
remember how they said the page would be back up within 24 hours, and then apparently decided with Fox that they didn't want to bring it back up at all?
remember when they insisted they'd ship in a single wave?
and then changed that to two waves with the add-ons being first so we had something to paint? (and play with given that we now have the beta rules)
and then changed it again to boxset first with add-on packaging not even going to approval until after the boxsets are shipped - that could of course take months based on our experience so far.
remember when they said the game would come soon (very soon), multiple months in a row?
remember when they said they'd ordered packing materials, so delivery would be very soon, and yet put the rules out for 'proof' reading by a randomly picked team of backers with no proof of experience, then made it fairly clear the rules actually need copy editing and quite likely game testing? and surely will then have to be looked at by Fox?

I wouldn't trust these guys to tell me the right time of day at the moment.

Aside from writing 'remember when' at the start of each sentence making you sound like a nut-job, I complete agree with the sentiment.

I can't remember a KS where comms have been this bad, it's absolutely atrocious, and not helped at all by the amount of smoke and mirrors seemingly being brought into play.

They also said they would have points values up by the end of the funding period so we could plan our pledge.

And I never did see part 2 of their "gameplay video". Y'know, the one that was supposed to actually have gameplay...

It's ironic but I used to use this KS as an example of exactly HOW to run a post KS campaign. I've pretty much soured on the whole idea of TTG KS at this point. I've luckily never been completely burned so far but almost every one that I seriously considered backing has had significant issues and I haven't regretting chickening out on any of the ones I did (this one included).

biggusdoggus wrote:

PomWallaby wrote:
Of all the delayed Kickstarters I've backed, this one is getting to me the most. I stayed pretty calm throughout Soda Pop and Relic Knights, Megacon Games and Myth etc. I'm actually still cool with Poots and Kingdom Death : Monster. I don't need fox approved updates, I'd just like to see some interaction with the community. Prodos were the OP of this thread, they've had the opportunity to put rumours straight for themselves.

what would they say that might be believable when they've plied us with so many false promises and miss-information so far?

remember that time they said they'd show us the rulebook? that took them 6 months rather than a week
remember when they repeatedly insisted they were on time for delivery as scheduled? yeah right
remember when they then insisted they'd make Christmas, and even ejected backers from the kickstarter for suggesting otherwise?
remember when they claimed the KS page was brought down by KS due to them miss-understanding an instruction to clear up the maintenance screen (and KS have repeatedly stated that there is definitely an IP dispute lodged by 21st C Fox)
remember how they said the page would be back up within 24 hours, and then apparently decided with Fox that they didn't want to bring it back up at all?
remember when they insisted they'd ship in a single wave?
and then changed that to two waves with the add-ons being first so we had something to paint? (and play with given that we now have the beta rules)
and then changed it again to boxset first with add-on packaging not even going to approval until after the boxsets are shipped - that could of course take months based on our experience so far.
remember when they said the game would come soon (very soon), multiple months in a row?
remember when they said they'd ordered packing materials, so delivery would be very soon, and yet put the rules out for 'proof' reading by a randomly picked team of backers with no proof of experience, then made it fairly clear the rules actually need copy editing and quite likely game testing? and surely will then have to be looked at by Fox?

I wouldn't trust these guys to tell me the right time of day at the moment.

They also said the KS main box resins and KS exclusives would be exclusive to the KS. They went back on that too.

 Pacific wrote:
Aside from writing 'remember when' at the start of each sentence making you sound like a nut-job, I complete agree with the sentiment.

I can't remember a KS where comms have been this bad, it's absolutely atrocious, and not helped at all by the amount of smoke and mirrors seemingly being brought into play.

Come on over by the Robotech KS. We're having soooo much fun communicating with PB.

"Feth off" counts as communication.

CptJake wrote:

They also said the KS main box resins and KS exclusives would be exclusive to the KS. They went back on that too.

Oh I know my list was not in any way comprehensive.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:"Feth off" counts as communication.

Sadly, I think they really do believe that. It even counts if, rather than given as an actual update, it's said on a random forum that only a very small subset of backers are watching.


to quote a backer in a facebook thread ....

This would be funny if it wasn't so tragically unfunny.

Just over 3 months until Salute.

Do we think that Prodos will (A) have it out by then, and (B) if not, do we think they would dare show up to face their investors/ backers/ customers/ howling mob?

How long do you think Fox's and Prodos's relationship will last after the initial release?

You have to wonder if this kickstarter experience has soured Fox on the whole idea of it and I'm sure Prodos has their share of ill feelings about it as well.

As I've said before. I don't think they'd be this far behind (and on communication lockdown) if they kickstarted an actual finished game instead of the concept of a game. I think they got too excited about having the license and didn't think the business aspect of it all the way through.

richred_uk wrote:
Just over 3 months until Salute.

Do we think that Prodos will (A) have it out by then, and (B) if not, do we think they would dare show up to face their investors/ backers/ customers/ howling mob?

Funy to think that a lot of the minis were actually on display on the Prodos stand at the event last year!

 Pacific wrote:

richred_uk wrote:
Just over 3 months until Salute.

Do we think that Prodos will (A) have it out by then, and (B) if not, do we think they would dare show up to face their investors/ backers/ customers/ howling mob?

Funy to think that a lot of the minis were actually on display on the Prodos stand at the event last year!

and the tragedy is it sound like that (and the various demos) were where a lot of the problems come from,

'naughty' Prodos showing people the toys before Mr Fox got to approve stuff

and that's why we can't have nice things

 Stormonu wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Aside from writing 'remember when' at the start of each sentence making you sound like a nut-job, I complete agree with the sentiment.

I can't remember a KS where comms have been this bad, it's absolutely atrocious, and not helped at all by the amount of smoke and mirrors seemingly being brought into play.

Come on over by the Robotech KS. We're having soooo much fun communicating with PB.

At least Palladium shipped Wave 1... People and retailers have the product to prove it. And Palladium does post updates.

While PB is far from the most competent company, it's not like they just took the money, shut down the KS and disappeared off the face of the earth...

A screw-up who does a half-assed job is still better than a lying thief.

This was my first venture into kickstarter/crowdfunding and it will probably be my last.My hopes have been wrecked having seen exactly the mini's i wanted and various stages of production updates etc and now Boom nothing.Some half arsed communication is not good enough when my money has been taken and im left waiting in the rain.I really thought this would be great what with the game demo days and what not.

 shingouki wrote:
This was my first venture into kickstarter/crowdfunding and it will probably be my last.

Seems foolish to judge and then condemn all future KS based upon one company's troubles.

The delay here hurts, because seemingly, they were ready... the minis look great, but there's hardly any indication of when they can/will produce and deliver them. I've got enough campaigns that I'm significantly waiting on, so I'm glad I sold my pledge for this one (got a bit caught up in the fever of it, to be honest, and overpledged but another person had just missed out and really wanted it, so I think it worked out for us both).

In fairness to Prodos, their Warzone stuff did quite well when they put that on Kickstarter. The problem here is, it's a little company taking up a big franchise and Fox has understandably gotten the willies about it as it's their reputation on the line as much as Prodos'. While the police state Fox has brought in does suck massively, I'm still fairly confident Prodos can deliver here. Unless you know, everything gets buggered up and this game disappears entirely.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
While the police state Fox has brought in does suck massively, I'm still fairly confident Prodos can deliver here. Unless you know, everything gets buggered up and this game disappears entirely.

I think they will eventually deliver, but it won't/can't be what the KS was really supposed to be for, a good AvP board game. The 100+ page rule book, multi-part figures for the retail version (they had said 1-2 piece figures for the retail version and instead are going with 10-15 pieces). This means the board game market (much bigger than the miniatures market, and I bet Fox was/is well aware of that) is going to not be enamored with the game, which means after KS sales are not going to meet whatever projections they ran. As a miniatures game/war game (which is clearly where they are headed) they'll potentially sell a bunch of figures, but the Fox required licensed packaging is going to make them expensive enough, that coupled with the approval timelines which would be required for expansions, the game is likely to not be much more than a small niche item in niche market.

I really think this is a missed opportunity.

But who's to say that part of the delay and communication freeze isn't due to Prodos having to redesign the retail version and go with 1-2 piece figures? Maybe FOX have put their foot down and said 'this product is not good enough for the boardgames market - sort it out Prodos or else...'

It's all conjecture at this stage and without any official comms from Prodos (or Fox) we're just clutching at straws and left waiting for the fabled 'soon' to actually happen ...

...and waiting, and waiting, etc., etc....

We'll see. I very highly doubt that is the case, but we'll see.

You forgot to say 'soon'

VERY Soon!!!

Think i may just go it to hypersleep .

 CURNOW wrote:
Think i may just go it to hypersleep .

57 years later, maybe we'll see our stuff?

 Alex C wrote:

 CURNOW wrote:
Think i may just go it to hypersleep .

57 years later, maybe we'll see our stuff?

Did Weyland Yutani deliver on their promises after all those years of hypersleep or just try to cover up what happened? If we're using the movies and Fox's/Prodos' recent actions as the basis, it's a horrifying thought!

"Prodos; Building better games"

Seems legit...