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Yes right. Apparently another update coming this Friday also, with more details.

Take it with a pinch of salt, but they were saying at UKGE that they were shipping them out in backer order number (presumably by hub). So you can guess approximately where you are in the queue by when you backed - I don't know if the entire process is going to take days or weeks.

it'll take weeks. they need to manufacture at least 2000 boxsets just to meet backer requirements, and likely it's probably nearer 2500 or even 3000 (and they've promised to deliver to retail in time for a launch on 30th., so that's a fair few more). They previously told us they would be able to make 300 sets in the week following UK Expo, ramping up to 800 per week in subsequent weeks, so by any sensible calculation it's going to take at least 4 weeks simply to make the sets they need, likely 5 or 6 weeks.

they said on tuesday that some sets had already left Prodos Towers bound for backers. It's now Thursday and we're waiting for anyone to report delivery....

and yes I cam confirm they said they'd be shipping in backer number order. They aren't using any "hub" shipping - all sets are being shipped direct to backers from their facility in Poland.

I'm backer #19 so I should be one of the first out the door but I'll believe it when I see it. I'll let you know if it turns up in the next few days - no shipping notification yet anyway but we might not get one.

Rob from Prodos said yesterday that no shipping notification was given during WZR, so he expects (to his own admitted disappointment) that this will be the same.

Anybody know what size bases the minis use?

 Beer_&_Bolters wrote:
Anybody know what size bases the minis use?

According to the draft rules they released a while back:

Draft Rules wrote:

Some models aren’t supplied with a base at all. You should always feel free to mount the model on any size base for modeling or aesthetic purposes, however, please take note that models will have to follow the rules of the models placed on the base it should be mounted on. Each Stat card specifies on which size base the model should be mounted on.

We have 3 types of base sizes:

Small Bases are 30mm in diameter.

Medium Bases are 40mm in diameter and are used for example HQ/Elders, Alien Warriors.

Large Bases are 50mm or more in diameter and used for Large Models and Light Vehicles.

Monsters often do not have a base or have a special base (Alien Crusher). These are regarded as'Large Bases' in the Game Rules unless specified otherwise.

 Beer_&_Bolters wrote:
Anybody know what size bases the minis use?

for the core boxset you'll need 20 x 30mm and 3 x 40mm

yeah,
How do you check your backer number?

Panic...

Top right of the KS page there is a small picture of your KS avatar with a down arrow, click the arrow, then click backed projects in "My stuff" it will bring up a new page of all your backed projects you might need to click "show more pledges" to extend the list, go down to AVP click on it and a new window will open showing your pledge details which includes your backer number.

EDITed sorry don't know my left from my right today

It appears it doesn't matter they are sending them out randomly knew it was to good to be true


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Here is your AvP update for Friday June 12, 2015

Orders began shipping on Thursday due to a delay getting the reprinted cards ready and waiting for the special order shipping boxes to arrive.

The parcels are being shipped in a random order to be fair to everyone, this was due to comments made about people having a high backer number upset that they would be last.

The first 150 boxes have been shipped with more following on Monday. Currently we are not sending shipping notifications. This is due to the fact we had not designed the pledge manager to ship in two waves. The IT dept. is working on a fix for this, but we need to be very careful not to mess up the pledge manager code or lose any information.

So we are shipping board game boxes it’s just going a little slower than we intended. However our original ship date was June 22 so we are ahead of that schedule. Shipping will continue to ramp up next week.

Thanks,
Prodos Games LTD

quite how random shipping can be considered fair is beyond me, they've lost me totally on that one.

and they confirmed on Tuesday this week, in two different places, that they had already started shipping. I guess since they can't blame Fox, it's now we see Prodos' true colours.

DaveC, you need to now comment that it's not fair that the shipping is being done randomly, that might then stop the shipping altogether

Chap I know was one of the few who managed to get a box, trampling a few kids and knocking over some old people in the process at the Expo last weekend. The miniatures look FETHING INCREDIBLE.

And I don't use the word fething or write with capslock lightly!

Yeah I don't get how it's unfair to people that backed later or at the end that they get shipped later or at the end.

I'm not on Facebook and I'm not registering just to comment on this. Now if only there was a way to comment on KS - oh wait yeah hmmm

I wish they would send these updates via the KS mechanism (they CAN still send KS messages, one of the May updates came via that mechanism).

I still have to figure out if I have to reclose my Pledge Manager. I should probably get on that so I get my things.


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 DaveC wrote:


I'm not on Facebook and I'm not registering

But I wanted to be your FB friend....

 cincydooley wrote:
I still have to figure out if I have to reclose my Pledge Manager. I should probably get on that so I get my things.

You should be able to access the pledge manager through the old link, then when you verify information to the right there should be a close button. At least on mine it was on the right side, had to select it to close mine.

A pdf of the rulebook has been released

http://calc.prodos.co.uk/photos/avprulebook.pdf

 DaveC wrote:
A pdf of the rulebook has been released

http://calc.prodos.co.uk/photos/avprulebook.pdf

Cool.

This is the type of thing Prodos should have put out to all backers via a KS message a few days before they just put it out for the general public. Kind of a "While your waiting for your KS copy, please enjoy going through the rulebook PDF!"

Definitely.

Although you should know better than to expect good comms by this point!

 DaveC wrote:

The parcels are being shipped in a random order to be fair to everyone, this was due to comments made about people having a high backer number upset that they would be last.

Man, sometimes these guys' PR is really puzzling . They can ship in whatever order they like, but to say it was because some high backer number folks complained is foolish because then they'll make some of the low backer number folks upset! (or at least mildly irritated, etc)

Looking forward to what you think of the game DaveC and others!

Here is your AvP update for Friday June 12, 2015

The parcels are being shipped in a random order to be fair to everyone, this was due to comments made about people having a high backer number upset that they would be last.

The first 150 boxes have been shipped with more following on Monday. Currently we are not sending shipping notifications. This is due to the fact we had not designed the pledge manager to ship in two waves. The IT dept. is working on a fix for this, but we need to be very careful not to mess up the pledge manager code or lose any information.

So we are shipping board game boxes it’s just going a little slower than we intended. However our original ship date was June 22 so we are ahead of that schedule. Shipping will continue to ramp up next week.

Thanks,
Prodos Games LTD

So there is no reward for backing earlier? That's pretty perverse.

Unless you think 'perverse' means 'fair', you are clearly mistaken.

Early backer is trumped by loud complainer!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Here is your AvP update for Friday June 12, 2015

The parcels are being shipped in a random order to be fair to everyone, this was due to comments made about people having a high backer number upset that they would be last.

The first 150 boxes have been shipped with more following on Monday. Currently we are not sending shipping notifications. This is due to the fact we had not designed the pledge manager to ship in two waves. The IT dept. is working on a fix for this, but we need to be very careful not to mess up the pledge manager code or lose any information.

So we are shipping board game boxes it’s just going a little slower than we intended. However our original ship date was June 22 so we are ahead of that schedule. Shipping will continue to ramp up next week.

Thanks,
Prodos Games LTD

So there is no reward for backing earlier? That's pretty perverse.

Why do I get the feeling that the "IT department" is a guy named Bronislaw who also packs boxes and answers the phone at part of his many hats?

 warboss wrote:


Why do I get the feeling that the "IT department" is a guy named Bronislaw who also packs boxes and answers the phone at part of his many hats?

Why do I get the feeling that you're spot on LOL

Someone pointed out on Dakka that the recently released rule PDF is different than the printed book included in the game box, and actually has more stuff in it.

Any bets Prodos sent the wrong file to the printer?

Also, after watching an unboxing video I noticed there are multiple identical sheets of corridors, each of which has multiple copies of the same corridor. Honestly that is disappointing. The same three ammo crates repeat over and over and over and over as you battle through your missions... When I look at similar games, this becomes even more disappointing. I don;t think my newer Space Hulk (for example) has many repeated tiles among the corridor pieces, surely not among the longer ones.

 CptJake wrote:
Someone pointed out on Dakka that the recently released rule PDF is different than the printed book included in the game box, and actually has more stuff in it.

Any bets Prodos sent the wrong file to the printer?

It will be really annoying if they have a outdated rulebook in the box.
They have had so long to get the rules right this right while FOX approved the IP/story gak.

 CptJake wrote:
Also, after watching an unboxing video I noticed there are multiple identical sheets of corridors, each of which has multiple copies of the same corridor. Honestly that is disappointing. The same three ammo crates repeat over and over and over and over as you battle through your missions... When I look at similar games, this becomes even more disappointing. I don;t think my newer Space Hulk (for example) has many repeated tiles among the corridor pieces, surely not among the longer ones.

This sounds terrible... I had seen tile repetition during the KS but had hoped that was just something in the prototype...
It's not diffficult to cut and paste different items onto a blank corridor, it's this kind of corner cutting that shows prodos don't truely care for the game ... Just the licence and the money it brings in.

Panic...

This is the video I mentioned. Folks can judge for themselves.

They are two sided though!

I'm guessing it was due to the approval process. Repeating the same tile twice means you don't have to wait for two images to be approved. I suspect that was more of the issue rather than it being cheaper or Prodos being unable to creatively come up with more. I agree though that it still isn't a good excuse but it's where the game apparently is (I can't watch the video ATM).

don't get too excited that they are two sided. The flipside is exactly the same graphics as side 1, but with different colours - a red "emergency lighting" hue rather than the green.

Prodos have said that they have plans for missions/rules that will require the use of the red side, though those don't exist just yet. I'm confused as to why they'd bother though since the double sided tiles are supposed to be KS exclusives (I guess that's another thing that's gone out with the bath water)

Oh and to make things worse, because of the lug design, it's not possible to build a layout that uses a mixture of both sides of the tiles.

The corridor tiles are not quite identical, there are actually three types - normal, infested and half infested.

Of the 34 corridors I have in my box, they have the following mix..... 18 normal, 11 infested, 4 half infested and 1 that joins the predator pod to the ship tiles. Granted within each type of corridor there is no further variant, and to be honest, you're going to need better eyesight than mine to be able to tell the difference in game play. Incidentally, for what it's worth, the rulebook says there are 32 corridor sections - another error, albeit minor.

Regarding the rulebook, yes the released PDF is significantly different to the one that appeared in that first batch of 50 box sets, both in layout and content, with the new rulebook containing a turn sequence flowchart that doesn't appear in the original (one obvious change, I'm sure there are others). I'd agree, that does suggest they sent the wrong files to the printers (or the printers used an old version rather than a newer one and nobody from either company bothered to QA check). I wonder when they realised - probably when they split a box open for demo at UK Expo. They probably therefore handed out boxes to backers in the full knowledge that there was a problem, but said nothing. In fairness however, they have said they will be sending those 50 backers a replacement rulebook with wave 2, though that does mean that since wave 2 is (by my guess) 4-6 months away, most backers will have the v1.1 rulebook in hand way before those lucky 50.

Since the release of the pdf rulebook (v1.1) we've found countless errors with it. The rules seem ok, though it's early to say, but there are many many spelling mistakes, more grammar errors than I care to count, and some people have suggested there are some layout issues that make comprehending the rules harder than was necessary. Some have described it as "not newbie friendly", and I'm inclined to agree. Prodos had opened a thread inviting feedback on facebook, but within a few hours of doing so, Jarek threw a hissy fit and deleted it. It seems they really don't appreciate criticism at all - a trait we knew well from the KS process. At the time, there were at least 3 known mistakes that actually affect game play.

My general feeling is that Iike the figures a lot (though I've broken an Alien tail trying to insert it into the body - my fault really - should have filed the lug a little more, but stupidly went with brute force and ignorance instead - take care! (it's easily fixed with a dab of superglue). I'm impressed with the quality of the board game components - good card, nice finish, though I think the artwork is a little dark and really rather bland (a design issue rather than production). Certainly they are perfectly playable and feel like they will last a good long while. The cards are good quality, and the dice are, well, dice. All good stuff. For me it's the rulebook which lets them down. At first glance it looks good, until you realise it contains lots of grammar and spelling errors (they jump off the page at me, others may be more forgiving - none of them affect gameplay), and the book contains almost no fluff - no Steve Perry story, nothing really that sets the scene. It's like we've been given the basics and nothing more. If I were a fan of the genre and new to gaming, buying this for my first gaming experience, I'd be very disappointed since I'd expect it to be chock full of cool writing. For the length of time they've been working on it, they really have missed a huge opportunity to make this something special.

I could probably rant on a while longer about what's wrong with it, and that would be without having played a game yet and so not needed to study the rules in minutiae. Those that have played it have largely given good feedback of the experience.