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Is it your understanding that copies currently shipping have a newer printed rulebook than those initial 50 given out?

If not, are we all going to get a replacement printed copy in wave 2?

I sure as hell wish Prodos would use either the KS messaging or at least their own forums to put out this type of info.

 CptJake wrote:
Is it your understanding that copies currently shipping have a newer printed rulebook than those initial 50 given out?

Yes, that's the impression I've got. They've only said they'll be sending the newer rulebook to the first 50, which suggests pledges being shipped now contain the v1.1 rulebook.


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 CptJake wrote:

I sure as hell wish Prodos would use either the KS messaging or at least their own forums to put out this type of info.

and tell me about it. We've banged on about the need for them to communicate via KS messaging or even better the email database they have from the pledge manager until we're blue in the face.

That seems fishy. If they realized it as they were handing them out, they would not have had much time to order and receive a re-print.

I wonder when they ordered the re-print...

I'll admit, I've struggled to square the maths on that one myself.

My bet is they realised at the Expo. That was the weekend of 30/31 May. They were supposed to have begun shipping the following monday, but it didn't happen until the thursday of the following week (11th), ostensibly because their special shipping boxes hadn't arrived. A week and a half for a full reprint of the rulebook? I guess that's possible. If that's what they did, and that's the real reason for the delay, I find it frustrating that once again they didn't feel they could be honest, but there seems little point in pushing the issue.


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then again, the rules were only released to us this week, and it was only at that point that they admitted changes from the version already delivered to the 50. Maybe they've just ordered reprints now, and haven't shipped a single box yet - maybe that's why we're yet to hear a report of anybody outside of those 50 actually receiving their pledge.

 Panic wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Someone pointed out on Dakka that the recently released rule PDF is different than the printed book included in the game box, and actually has more stuff in it.

Any bets Prodos sent the wrong file to the printer?

It will be really annoying if they have a outdated rulebook in the box.

Panic...

Please, it's not like Sedition Wars suffered for having an outdated rulebook in the box.

Oh, wait...

On the shipping point they started last Thursday according to their last facebook post but has anyone actually reported receiving them yet after a week I'd expect some of them to have been delivered (if they did in fact start shipping).

 DaveC wrote:
On the shipping point they started last Thursday according to their last facebook post but has anyone actually reported receiving them yet after a week I'd expect some of them to have been delivered (if they did in fact start shipping).

I'd hate to have this game channeling palladium (for delays and suprise wave shipping), sedition wars (for outdated rulebooks upon receipt), and Games and Gears boards for "we shipped it.. oops, no we didn't!" delays.

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 DaveC wrote:
On the shipping point they started last Thursday according to their last facebook post but has anyone actually reported receiving them yet after a week I'd expect some of them to have been delivered (if they did in fact start shipping).

nope, no reports yet.

 warboss wrote:

I'd hate to have this game channeling palladium (for delays and suprise wave shipping), sedition wars (for outdated rulebooks upon receipt), and Games and Gears boards for "we shipped it.. oops, no we didn't!" delays.

and yet we know for a fact that all those things have happened. It was all at once, then 2 waves with add-ons first and boardgame to follow, then it was boardgame first and add-on to follow. We know that even the newer v1.1 rulebook has at least 3 fundamental rules errors in it (though it isn't the train smash that SW was perceived to be, and they actually responded in the affirmative when asked last tuesday whether they had already shipped any units out to backers, only to admit 3 days later that in fact they only started on the thursday.

So yeah, eyes down for a full house on that one.

Oh and they changed their tune on the reasons behind the KS being taken down, admitting that is was done intentionally rather than "by mistake" earlier this week as well.

Seriously, you couldn't make it up. And still the fanboys defend them to the hilt.

In their "defense", they changed their tune about the KS take down months ago. It was still a falsified reason to do so and a douche move but it isn't a newly admitted douche move. But yeah, I agree with most of the above although I wouldn't put a 2-3 day "white lie" about shipping starting in with games and gears and their multiweek to multimonth "mistakes" regarding shipping starting.

oh I agree - they aren't even close to Games and Gears, but I just wonder why there was any reason to tell the white lie in the first place. Why bother to say on Tuesday that you've started shipping only to say on Friday that you started to ship on Thursday and the delay was due to some issues with getting the packaging delivered. Why not admit that you're being held up by that (if indeed that was the real reason - see earlier points about rulebook reprinting). In what way does the lie make the situation any better?

It's the mentality that I don't understand. I know they aren't alone in committing thee faux pas, but it's also certainly true that some KS are up front at every stage and benefit significantly from being so, and I'd name Battle Systems as an obvious example.


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then again, in one post last Friday, Jarek said that "most backers will receive their parcels next week" - ie this week. This despite the fact that they'd already admitted they'd only shipped 150 units., and it takes at least a week for parcels to get out of Poland and to their destinations in Europe, let alone the rest of the world. 150 parcels? most? hmmmm.

I think half the time Prodos are guilty of just saying stupid stuff without considering whether that they've written makes any sense, and certainly without considering the ramifications. In short, they just don't do customer relations very well at all.

So I looked through the rulebook and I am wondering if this isn't a miniatures game anymore or if there will be a separate miniatures game rulebook or what.

 Manchu wrote:
So I looked through the rulebook and I am wondering if this isn't a miniatures game anymore or if there will be a separate miniatures game rulebook or what.

The box game was only ever supposed to be a board game. Miniatures rules were going to follow later (as I understood it).

 Manchu wrote:
So I looked through the rulebook and I am wondering if this isn't a miniatures game anymore or if there will be a separate miniatures game rulebook or what.

Is it space hulk board gamey, dust "whatever the versions were that switches from board game to wargame by just changing the map" like, or D&D/SWM prepaints where it effectively just was a minis game on a board/map?

I say board game because it looks like all measurement and LOS considerations are tile-based. I reckon it could be converted to a miniatures game but honestly the mechanics seem unnecessarily complicated for either a board game or miniatures game. Miniatures look pretty ace, however.

If they let people take games from salute with the 'wrong' rule book they could well be in trouble with Fox for shipping unapproved stuff so they keep quite hoping nobody will tell on them ?

they're going to be in trouble!

 CptJake wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
So I looked through the rulebook and I am wondering if this isn't a miniatures game anymore or if there will be a separate miniatures game rulebook or what.

The box game was only ever supposed to be a board game. Miniatures rules were going to follow later (as I understood it).

Correct. the wargame is the hardback rulebook (and freely downloadable pff) that will be released alongside the wave 2 add-on minis.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If they let people take games from salute with the 'wrong' rule book they could well be in trouble with Fox for shipping unapproved stuff so they keep quite hoping nobody will tell on them ?

they're going to be in trouble!

Shhhhhhhhhh !!!!

If they shipped last week then people would of had them by now . I get alot of stuff shipped from poland and its normally 3-4 days .the polish postal service is actually very good.

 CURNOW wrote:
If they shipped last week then people would of had them by now . I get alot of stuff shipped from poland and its normally 3-4 days .the polish postal service is actually very good.

but they only shipped 150, and we don't know who to because they are shipping "random" order. Maybe they started with the 150 who live in Outer Mongolia ....

Or LV-246 !! Lol

 CURNOW wrote:
Or LV-246 !! Lol

Maybe even LV-426

I do recall one of the updates from Prodos a while back saying that Fox had called for an extensive re-edit of the rulebook to remove all of the fluff and to make it more universe-consistent. I get the impression that Prodos originally wanted to make this slightly more their own, and it's a shame that the end product is steering away from this.

That said, few settings have more evocative "fluff" than the Aliens universe, and it's not hard to be engaged by the basic narrative of something toothy and horrible in the darkness trying to eat you.

Fox had them remove the fluff and flavor text? That really is horrible.

"Stop selling people on the viability of the franchise!"

My impression was Prodos wrote their own fluff, Fox said NOPE, and rather than try to get 'official' fluff put into the book they took the easy way out and just skipped it.

And, on BGG a guy mentioned there were 8 identical punch boards for the corridors.

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1387894/corridor-tiles

That really is disappointing.

Didn't Prodos say that they'd hired S.D. Perry to write their fluff pieces? Besides Alan Dean Foster, isn't he The Guy who writes fiction for the Aliens and Predator franchises?

I guess I keep thinking of the flavor text from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, and how much we are missing out by not having more of that.

 CptJake wrote:
My impression was Prodos wrote their own fluff, Fox said NOPE, and rather than try to get 'official' fluff put into the book they took the easy way out and just skipped it.

Exactly what happened.

Prodos was already late delivering the game so they just removed the fiction rather than re-writing stuff to go through multiple approvals again.

I can understand why they did it. Whether it's a good thing or not is up for debate. Personally I'm glad things weren't delayed further by trying to wrangle Fox-approved fiction in there. I just want my game. I can make my own fiction up.

I do wonder if they'll have it in the Wargame rulebook though, as they have a little more time with that.

 CptJake wrote:
My impression was Prodos wrote their own fluff, Fox said NOPE, and rather than try to get 'official' fluff put into the book they took the easy way out and just skipped it.

And, on BGG a guy mentioned there were 8 identical punch boards for the corridors.

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1387894/corridor-tiles

That really is disappointing.

Really? Who cares? I'm just glad the fething thing is finally being fulfilled lol. 8 identical corridor bits doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Who cares? Clearly I do. And it isn't 8 identical bits, it is 8 identical boards of bits, each of which has multiples. And the same 3 ammo crates grace different bits giving a very 'same' look to it all.

I fully understand some folks, such as yourself, don't care about that. But compared to say, Space Hulk, the board layout will look pretty boring, and that detracts from the game quite a bit in my opinion. The visuals of the Aliens/Predator universe are a large part of what got me to back the game. To get lazy and reuse the same tiles/artwork over and over is a huge missed opportunity.

But again, I do understand that others don't care. lol

yeah,
I care, 48 tiles with the same grouping of three crates!
Thats very gak!
It would have made me think twice about backing if I'd known up front if I'm honest.

If they knew they would duplicate the tile this many times why not just have blank corridors!

Panic...

Alien vs Predator The Miniatures Game
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Hey guys here is your update for Friday June 19, 2015

We have shipped over 400 packages this week, we are still in process of ramping it up further, next week there will be more, and we will have some pictures for you guys soon.

Just to let you know we have cleaned up the AvP forums on the main Prodos Forums for you come and discuss rules questions and the like. It will make things easy to find the answers to questions that you are searching for, if it’s already been asked. http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewforum.php…

We are fully testing the Pledge manager over the weekend to see of the notification system will work. If it does we will roll out notifications as soon as possible.

Cheers,
Prodos Games LTD

Still no reports of deliveries yet though